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Glen Johnson - done deal according to papers

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All this talk about Chelsea trumping us for Johnson with a higher offer seems to ignore the reported release clause put in his contract at his insistence last summer. Wasn't it about 11/12m? If so, that'd be all we have to offer to talk to the lad - and if he's any sense he'd choose Anfield.
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Life doesn`t work like that, though. Chelsea have as good title credentials as we and are far more likely to offer him a higher wage package. If you think it's the obviously "sensible" decision to choose us, you're delusional.

I rate Johnson highly and would love to see him sign for us (even though I like Arbeloa and think a lot of the recent criticism of his is OTT) but if Chelsea are willing to pay big for him, he will return there.
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The "sensible" decision in your eyes is to return to the club which previously couldn't find a place for you, who
since then have spent £16M on Bosingwa, a player who has had a strong debut season?

Chelsea will prove tempting to him providing they come in with mega-wages, granted, but to suggest they'd be way out in front of us is nonsense. He's just broke into the England team and with Capello declaring Johnson as Englands number 1 right-back yesterday, he's going to be look to be playing as much football as possible, and, as it stands, we can offer him far greater assurances.

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Exactly. The bottom line for Johnson will surely by playing regularly in a top 4 club with the chance of winning trophies - there's not much between Chelsea and us on that score. What's more, with Chelsea having an expensive and impressive right-back in place Johnson will know he faces an ongoing battle for a regular place at the bridge, less so at Anfield where Arbeloa still has something to prove (I am a fan).

In addition, Chelsea is hardly the place to go if you're looking to establish yourself long-term at a club, given the high turnaround of managers under Abramovich - Johnson could go there, do well, and then find himself out of the side when a new manager comes in a a years time. Not likely to happen at Anfield where there's a real sense that Rafa is committed to a long-term project.

There's also the possibility that Johnson might harbour ill-feeling towards his former employers or might just even find the prospect of playing for Liverpool Fc too tempting to turn down. Not all players are solely motivated by money.

Delusional? No. Hopeful? yes.
 
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So you don't think Barry and Johnson were targets?

Ahahahaha
[/quote]Who me? Well theres unsubstantiated unconfirmed reports that we came in with a late offer for Barry but told him A)he wouldnt play every game B)he would be a left back. These reports suggested we matched the bid and he wanted first team assurances so thats irrelevant.
And i dont think for one second Chelsea want Johnson, and IF he is a target i believe we will sign him.
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Just as a side note in all of this, does anyone really think we said we wouldn't give him first team football?

I reckon it probably went along these lines:

BARRY: I want assurances I'll play every week.

RAFA: I don't do that for noone, I like pothibilities, and you have to show you're good enough to be in there everyweek.
[/quote]Yup.
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And also the fact that he wanted 100k a week, which Rafa didn't want to give him.
 
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So you don't think Barry and Johnson were targets?

Ahahahaha
[/quote]Who me? Well theres unsubstantiated unconfirmed reports that we came in with a late offer for Barry but told him A)he wouldnt play every game B)he would be a left back. These reports suggested we matched the bid and he wanted first team assurances so thats irrelevant.
And i dont think for one second Chelsea want Johnson, and IF he is a target i believe we will sign him.
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Just as a side note in all of this, does anyone really think we said we wouldn't give him first team football?

I reckon it probably went along these lines:

BARRY: I want assurances I'll play every week.

RAFA: I don't do that for noone, I like pothibilities, and you have to show you're good enough to be in there everyweek.
[/quote]Yup.
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And also the fact that he wanted 100k a week, which Rafa didn't want to give him.
[/quote]Depends which rag you believe.
 
Portsmouth have rich arab owners now too, since the dickhead signed a 5 year contract in January he is stuck there now or maybe they will sell him to their "friends" at city.

reminds me of Downing signing a new 5 year contract at Boro recently now he's stuck in the championship. when will players learn.
 
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Portsmouth have rich arab owners now too, since the dickhead signed a 5 year contract in January he is stuck there now or maybe they will sell him to their "friends" at city.

reminds me of Downing signing a new 5 year contract at Boro recently now he's stuck in the championship. when will players learn.

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"Release clauses"...
 
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All this talk about Chelsea trumping us for Johnson with a higher offer seems to ignore the reported release clause put in his contract at his insistence last summer. Wasn't it about 11/12m? If so, that'd be all we have to offer to talk to the lad - and if he's any sense he'd choose Anfield.
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Life doesn`t work like that, though. Chelsea have as good title credentials as we and are far more likely to offer him a higher wage package. If you think it's the obviously "sensible" decision to choose us, you're delusional.

I rate Johnson highly and would love to see him sign for us (even though I like Arbeloa and think a lot of the recent criticism of his is OTT) but if Chelsea are willing to pay big for him, he will return there.
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The "sensible" decision in your eyes is to return to the club which previously couldn't find a place for you, who
since then have spent £16M on Bosingwa, a player who has had a strong debut season?

Chelsea will prove tempting to him providing they come in with mega-wages, granted, but to suggest they'd be way out in front of us is nonsense. He's just broke into the England team and with Capello declaring Johnson as Englands number 1 right-back yesterday, he's going to be look to be playing as much football as possible, and, as it stands, we can offer him far greater assurances.

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Choosing City over us wasn't the most "sensible" decision for Barry to make either, given his stated desire to play in the Champions League, was it?

If all things were equal in terms of transfer fee, wages, etc., certainly I think Johnson would likely come here. However, given that this is not likely to be the case, he may very well go back to Chelsea. He has improved his play quite a bit since Chelsea sold him and, while Boswinga is a very good fullback, if Johnson has confidence in his own ability he may well feel he can earn the spot.

I don't mean to suggest Chelsea are "way out in front" but I don't think coming to us is an obvious choice either. We need to compete with our rivals in terms of wages and fees in addition to providing the right environment and playing opportunities.
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Barry's a fair comparison to a point because he definitely chased the wage over holding out for guaranteed CL football, but there are several key differences; firstly he's going to stroll into that City side and keep his England spot. Secondly Barry will find himself surrounded by very good players before the end of his career and probably will play in the CL whilst wearing that light blue shirt.

As for 'having confidence in his own ability' well that's a given for any player moving into the top four. It doesn't change the fact that you'll look at your direct competition and think about you chances of getting in. Managers like to rely upon a settled back-line and once you've been 'judged' it can take a lot of good performances and hard work to become a regular again (athough conversely Johnson can looking to an attacking player, SWP, to see how harmful moving to Chelsea can be, as well as relying on his own experience)

I think we're in agreement that it would be a close decision, but from a footballing perspective we're the greater proposition and it's certainly not "delusional" to suggest so.
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Agree. *shake hands*
 
I'm not overly keen to see us sign him, especially on such an inflated fee, but why would he want to return to Chelski? To play fewer games?
 
"Bild" reporting a Bayern bid for Bosingwa. If Johnson goes to Stamford bridge I'd be happy enough with taking Bosingwa off them.
 
Do you seriously believe Andy that Rafa would launch a bid to late if he really wanted Barry? I know there are some conflicting reports, but hes given full control, I cant believe he would then miss a deadline mate.
 
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Do you seriously believe Andy that Rafa would launch a bid to late if he really wanted Barry? I know there are some conflicting reports, but hes given full control, I cant believe he would then miss a deadline mate.
[/quote]What? Eh? Wha did i say?
 
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I'm not overly keen to see us sign him, especially on such an inflated fee, but why would he want to return to Chelski? To play fewer games?
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Is 9M (as reported) an inflated fee for a quality English FB now promoted to the England team as their RB for the foreseeable future ? I don't think so, just about right I would guess.

Return to Chelsea ? I just don't see it. Been there, done that, got the T shirt. He knows how they handle themselves on and off the pitch.
 
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I'm not overly keen to see us sign him, especially on such an inflated fee, but why would he want to return to Chelski? To play fewer games?
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Is 9M (as reported) an inflated fee for a quality English FB now promoted to the England team as their RB for the foreseeable future ? I don't think so, just about right I would guess.

Return to Chelsea ? I just don't see it. Been there, done that, got the T shirt. He knows how they handle themselves on and off the pitch.
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I think the 'inflated fee' would be the £17m mentioned in that last article.

It's ominous that Bayern are after Bosingwa - part-exchange with Ribery?
 
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Insua got a slap in the face in the summer, and will get another one now. Arbeloa at left back will be a slap in the face for Aurelio too. Rafa simply hasn't got a clue what to do with full backs and wingers. If only football was played in the middle of the park...
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8 mil for total flop like Dossena isn't a slap in the face boy. Insua is still young and will be regular if he has a team mate like Vargas to look up to.

The one who need a slap in the face are Rafael for signing Dossena and not selling Aurelio.
 
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Insua got a slap in the face in the summer, and will get another one now. Arbeloa at left back will be a slap in the face for Aurelio too. Rafa simply hasn't got a clue what to do with full backs and wingers. If only football was played in the middle of the park...
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8 mil for total flop like Dossena isn't a slap in the face boy. Insua is still young and will be regular if he has a team mate like Vargas to look up to.

The one who need a slap in the face are Rafael for signing Dossena and not selling Aurelio.
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Er, Glock, you realise Rashid doesn't post here any more? That was written *last year*.
 
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Insua got a slap in the face in the summer, and will get another one now. Arbeloa at left back will be a slap in the face for Aurelio too. Rafa simply hasn't got a clue what to do with full backs and wingers. If only football was played in the middle of the park...
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8 mil for total flop like Dossena isn't a slap in the face boy. Insua is still young and will be regular if he has a team mate like Vargas to look up to.

The one who need a slap in the face are Rafael for signing Dossena and not selling Aurelio.
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Er, Glock, you realise Rashid doesn't post here any more? That was written *last year*.

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So?? I post to who and when i want to. No one should tell me anything.
 
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Insua got a slap in the face in the summer, and will get another one now. Arbeloa at left back will be a slap in the face for Aurelio too. Rafa simply hasn't got a clue what to do with full backs and wingers. If only football was played in the middle of the park...
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8 mil for total flop like Dossena isn't a slap in the face boy. Insua is still young and will be regular if he has a team mate like Vargas to look up to.

The one who need a slap in the face are Rafael for signing Dossena and not selling Aurelio.
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Er, Glock, you realise Rashid doesn't post here any more? That was written *last year*.

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Listen children. Glock is outside of all time and space in the pantheon of the gods. He speak and you listen, right, or he will have to stop you eating shit out of your imbecilic brain. If you don't like it then fuck off out of his thread. Every thread belongs to Glock.

The twat.
 
from NOTW


LIVERPOOL are confident of beating Chelsea to the signing of £10million Glen Johnson.

Kop boss Rafa Benitez will lodge a bid when the Portsmouth full-back (left) returns from international duty with England.


Benitez is keen to land Johnson, 25, after suffering a major setback when Villa's Gareth Barry chose Manchester City.


Chelsea boss Carlo Ancelotti is also interested but Benitez hopes Johnson's previous unhappy spell at Stamford Bridge will influence his decision. Benitez can guarantee Johnson he will be a first-choice next season.


Anfield's debt-ridden finances are not a stumbling block as Benitez is still assured of a big transfer kitty and knew the situation when signing a new five-year deal.
 
£10M on Glen johnson !? you're taking the piss.

He's worth half that.
 
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from NOTW


LIVERPOOL are confident of beating Chelsea to the signing of £10million Glen Johnson.

Kop boss Rafa Benitez will lodge a bid when the Portsmouth full-back (left) returns from international duty with England.


Benitez is keen to land Johnson, 25, after suffering a major setback when Villa's Gareth Barry chose Manchester City.


Chelsea boss Carlo Ancelotti is also interested but Benitez hopes Johnson's previous unhappy spell at Stamford Bridge will influence his decision. Benitez can guarantee Johnson he will be a first-choice next season.


Anfield's debt-ridden finances are not a stumbling block as Benitez is still assured of a big transfer kitty and knew the situation when signing a new five-year deal.


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he'll make a good addition.
 
Good player.. but not worth 10m (another club record for a defensive player). He's had a great season at Pompey and is their player of the year etc, and he's English, but in the cold light of day, full backs shouldn't really go for more than 8m (unless they're are undoubted world class).
 
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from NOTW


LIVERPOOL are confident of beating Chelsea to the signing of £10million Glen Johnson.

Kop boss Rafa Benitez will lodge a bid when the Portsmouth full-back (left) returns from international duty with England.


Benitez is keen to land Johnson, 25, after suffering a major setback when Villa's Gareth Barry chose Manchester City.


Chelsea boss Carlo Ancelotti is also interested but Benitez hopes Johnson's previous unhappy spell at Stamford Bridge will influence his decision. Benitez can guarantee Johnson he will be a first-choice next season.


Anfield's debt-ridden finances are not a stumbling block as Benitez is still assured of a big transfer kitty and knew the situation when signing a new five-year deal.


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A couple of interesting points if the article is spot on of course:

Firstly is this £16m or £10m? Does this include the Crouch money that they still owe us.

Secondly, if Rafa can guarantee Johnson a first team place, this must mean Arbeloa is off.
 
In Kazakhstan today, the home side's tricky winger Kukeyev made a total twat of Glen Johnson, constantly leaving him floundering.

Every full back sometimes has a game like that, but it got me a bit worried! 😱
 
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In Kazakhstan today, the home side's tricky winger Kukeyev made a total twat of Glen Johnson, constantly leaving him floundering.

Every full back sometimes has a game like that, but it got me a bit worried! 😱
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carra has been roasted at fullback at international level as well. who gives a fuck about england anyway? no offence.
 
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In Kazakhstan today, the home side's tricky winger Kukeyev made a total twat of Glen Johnson, constantly leaving him floundering.

Every full back sometimes has a game like that, but it got me a bit worried! 😱
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carra has been roasted at fullback at international level as well. who gives a fuck about england anyway? no offence.
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By a kazakhstani winger?
 
For those saying Johnson is worth no more than 5 M, wake the fuck up. Undoubtedly one of the best fullbacks in the Premiership. While occasionally (and I emphasize occasionally) suspect defensively, he offers a lot on the ball, is relatively young, English, and Premiership-proven. 5 M? Get out of here.

(Disclaimer: If we spend 16 M on him, I will burn my pubes off in anger.)
 
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In Kazakhstan today, the home side's tricky winger Kukeyev made a total twat of Glen Johnson, constantly leaving him floundering.

Every full back sometimes has a game like that, but it got me a bit worried! 😱
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carra has been roasted at fullback at international level as well. who gives a fuck about england anyway? no offence.
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By a kazakhstani winger?
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I wasn't trying to slight jamie I was pointing out that defenders can get shown up at international level.
 
By a winger from some tin-pot made-up country with about w million people in it, or whatever?

What the fuck has 'international' football got to do with anything?

They're fucking shite, so your point is,too
 
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