Glen Johnson - done deal according to papers
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I'm happy with Johnson coming (if it happens) but 18M is a lot of money. Johnson is a definite step up on Arbeloa and was the best RB in the League last year. He's mid 20s and English so is bound to be slightly overpriced. My opinion is, in the cold light of day, the fee won't be 18M, maybe a bit less. And maybe we've just bought a class RB who'll be first choice here for 6 or 7 years. If Alves costs 23M, Ramos 20M, Cole 5M+Gallas, Milan are offering 15M for Clichy, 14/15M seems fair for the England RB.
I'm happy we're in for the best players in the League and that the club are backing the Manager. The fans moan when deals don't happen over the sake of a few million. If we go over valuation to get a player the Manager thinks will be of real benefit, so be it.
Provided we still have funds to address weaknesses elsewhere of course.
I'm happy we're in for the best players in the League and that the club are backing the Manager. The fans moan when deals don't happen over the sake of a few million. If we go over valuation to get a player the Manager thinks will be of real benefit, so be it.
Provided we still have funds to address weaknesses elsewhere of course.
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[quote author=ankreds link=topic=29971.msg888916#msg888916 date=1245105968]
I'll give my take on the situation.
If this deal does go through at 18.5 million, i'll be thinking yes this is pricey, had it been 15-16m, i'd have thought it would be a cracking deal. In reality 2-3 million is not alot when considering he could potentially be our RB for a very very long time. He's a brilliant athelte, grat stamina, and goes forward really really well, and can also DEFEND. A fullback who can attack well and defend in todays game is hard to come by, and in glen johnson, he will offer that.
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What the fuck sort of logic is that. Overpaying is overpaying. You are a salesman's dream.
He's a good, but not spectacular right back. Spending 18.5 is fucking ludicrous, even in this market, even with his being English, even with him currently being an England international.
He's perhaps an incremental improvement on what we have, based on a shaky end of the season by Arbeloa, and promising displays by Johnson. We aren't going to recoup more than half the transfer on Arbeloa. Even if we sell Arbeloa to finance the deal, is it worth spending a third or more of our transfer budget this summer on a right back, when we have other pressing concerns? 2-3 million is the difference between us being gouged on the deal, and there being an argument it is reasonable.
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Based on what happened to us previously in the market for a RB (Alves) we couldn't cough up an extra what 2m to secure his signature. This is the football market, it's a different type of 'sale' so to speak. Had it been a market for televisions, a couple of quid here and there do make a difference, but the footie market is such that if you are unable to go ahead and just pay the extra couple mil, then you frankly lose your target.
[quote author=ankreds link=topic=29971.msg888916#msg888916 date=1245105968]
I'll give my take on the situation.
If this deal does go through at 18.5 million, i'll be thinking yes this is pricey, had it been 15-16m, i'd have thought it would be a cracking deal. In reality 2-3 million is not alot when considering he could potentially be our RB for a very very long time. He's a brilliant athelte, grat stamina, and goes forward really really well, and can also DEFEND. A fullback who can attack well and defend in todays game is hard to come by, and in glen johnson, he will offer that.
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What the fuck sort of logic is that. Overpaying is overpaying. You are a salesman's dream.
He's a good, but not spectacular right back. Spending 18.5 is fucking ludicrous, even in this market, even with his being English, even with him currently being an England international.
He's perhaps an incremental improvement on what we have, based on a shaky end of the season by Arbeloa, and promising displays by Johnson. We aren't going to recoup more than half the transfer on Arbeloa. Even if we sell Arbeloa to finance the deal, is it worth spending a third or more of our transfer budget this summer on a right back, when we have other pressing concerns? 2-3 million is the difference between us being gouged on the deal, and there being an argument it is reasonable.
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Based on what happened to us previously in the market for a RB (Alves) we couldn't cough up an extra what 2m to secure his signature. This is the football market, it's a different type of 'sale' so to speak. Had it been a market for televisions, a couple of quid here and there do make a difference, but the footie market is such that if you are unable to go ahead and just pay the extra couple mil, then you frankly lose your target.
[quote author=ankreds link=topic=29971.msg888987#msg888987 date=1245115130]
Based on what happened to us previously in the market for a RB (Alves) we couldn't cough up an extra what 2m to secure his signature. This is the football market, it's a different type of 'sale' so to speak. Had it been a market for televisions, a couple of quid here and there do make a difference, but the footie market is such that if you are unable to go ahead and just pay the extra couple mil, then you frankly lose your target.
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Yes, the football market is a special case where you pay 2M to 3M extra for everything above market value, and yet this new, inflated figure, is not the "new" market value.
What you are saying makes no sense. The fact that Benitez really wants him doesn't mean we should pay more than what other sensible offers would be.
Based on what happened to us previously in the market for a RB (Alves) we couldn't cough up an extra what 2m to secure his signature. This is the football market, it's a different type of 'sale' so to speak. Had it been a market for televisions, a couple of quid here and there do make a difference, but the footie market is such that if you are unable to go ahead and just pay the extra couple mil, then you frankly lose your target.
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Yes, the football market is a special case where you pay 2M to 3M extra for everything above market value, and yet this new, inflated figure, is not the "new" market value.
What you are saying makes no sense. The fact that Benitez really wants him doesn't mean we should pay more than what other sensible offers would be.
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[quote author=ankreds link=topic=29971.msg888987#msg888987 date=1245115130]
Based on what happened to us previously in the market for a RB (Alves) we couldn't cough up an extra what 2m to secure his signature. This is the football market, it's a different type of 'sale' so to speak. Had it been a market for televisions, a couple of quid here and there do make a difference, but the footie market is such that if you are unable to go ahead and just pay the extra couple mil, then you frankly lose your target.
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Yes, the football market is a special case where you pay 2M to 3M extra for everything above market value, and yet this new, inflated figure, is not the "new" market value.
What you are saying makes no sense. The fact that Benitez really wants him doesn't mean we should pay more than what other sensible offers would be.
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It makes perfect sense, Benitez wants a player, player x real value = 15m (english international, had a great season), we pay 18m, around 3m extra to land this player due to the way the market runs.
Nobody's saying anything about he 'new' market value. You say "The fact benitez wants him doesn't mean we should pay over and above what a sensible offer would be". I disagree, there would be no other way of landing him otherwise would there? There isn't that many RB's in the world right now, so we miss out of johnson, then what the hell do we do?
[quote author=ankreds link=topic=29971.msg888987#msg888987 date=1245115130]
Based on what happened to us previously in the market for a RB (Alves) we couldn't cough up an extra what 2m to secure his signature. This is the football market, it's a different type of 'sale' so to speak. Had it been a market for televisions, a couple of quid here and there do make a difference, but the footie market is such that if you are unable to go ahead and just pay the extra couple mil, then you frankly lose your target.
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Yes, the football market is a special case where you pay 2M to 3M extra for everything above market value, and yet this new, inflated figure, is not the "new" market value.
What you are saying makes no sense. The fact that Benitez really wants him doesn't mean we should pay more than what other sensible offers would be.
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It makes perfect sense, Benitez wants a player, player x real value = 15m (english international, had a great season), we pay 18m, around 3m extra to land this player due to the way the market runs.
Nobody's saying anything about he 'new' market value. You say "The fact benitez wants him doesn't mean we should pay over and above what a sensible offer would be". I disagree, there would be no other way of landing him otherwise would there? There isn't that many RB's in the world right now, so we miss out of johnson, then what the hell do we do?
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=29971.msg888988#msg888988 date=1245116072]
[quote author=ankreds link=topic=29971.msg888987#msg888987 date=1245115130]
Based on what happened to us previously in the market for a RB (Alves) we couldn't cough up an extra what 2m to secure his signature. This is the football market, it's a different type of 'sale' so to speak. Had it been a market for televisions, a couple of quid here and there do make a difference, but the footie market is such that if you are unable to go ahead and just pay the extra couple mil, then you frankly lose your target.
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Yes, the football market is a special case where you pay 2M to 3M extra for everything above market value, and yet this new, inflated figure, is not the "new" market value.
What you are saying makes no sense. The fact that Benitez really wants him doesn't mean we should pay more than what other sensible offers would be.
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It makes perfect sense, Benitez wants a player, player x real value = 15m (english international, had a great season), we pay 18m, around 3m extra to land this player due to the way the market runs.
Nobody's saying anything about he 'new' market value. You say "The fact benitez wants him doesn't mean we should pay over and above what a sensible offer would be". I disagree, there would be no other way of landing him otherwise would there? There isn't that many RB's in the world right now, so we miss out of johnson, then what the hell do we do?
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What the fuck are you talking about. The market runs by supply and demand, just like any other market. Of course players aren't fungible commodities, so there is highly specific demands and the situation is very fluid, but we still shouldn't be giving away that we have any special demand for this player, and are thus prepared to pay more than market value.
Could you explain how your calculus operates? His real value is 15M, but we have to pay 3M extra because of the "way the market runs". 1) how did you arrive on his real value, if it isn't the value that he could be sold at, and 2) how does the market run that we have to pay 3M extra?
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=29971.msg888988#msg888988 date=1245116072]
[quote author=ankreds link=topic=29971.msg888987#msg888987 date=1245115130]
Based on what happened to us previously in the market for a RB (Alves) we couldn't cough up an extra what 2m to secure his signature. This is the football market, it's a different type of 'sale' so to speak. Had it been a market for televisions, a couple of quid here and there do make a difference, but the footie market is such that if you are unable to go ahead and just pay the extra couple mil, then you frankly lose your target.
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Yes, the football market is a special case where you pay 2M to 3M extra for everything above market value, and yet this new, inflated figure, is not the "new" market value.
What you are saying makes no sense. The fact that Benitez really wants him doesn't mean we should pay more than what other sensible offers would be.
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It makes perfect sense, Benitez wants a player, player x real value = 15m (english international, had a great season), we pay 18m, around 3m extra to land this player due to the way the market runs.
Nobody's saying anything about he 'new' market value. You say "The fact benitez wants him doesn't mean we should pay over and above what a sensible offer would be". I disagree, there would be no other way of landing him otherwise would there? There isn't that many RB's in the world right now, so we miss out of johnson, then what the hell do we do?
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What the fuck are you talking about. The market runs by supply and demand, just like any other market. Of course players aren't fungible commodities, so there is highly specific demands and the situation is very fluid, but we still shouldn't be giving away that we have any special demand for this player, and are thus prepared to pay more than market value.
Could you explain how your calculus operates? His real value is 15M, but we have to pay 3M extra because of the "way the market runs". 1) how did you arrive on his real value, if it isn't the value that he could be sold at, and 2) how does the market run that we have to pay 3M extra?
tribalfootball is quite shizzle but:
Portsmouth’s Johnson expected to land at Liverpool
16.06.09 | Andrew Slevison
Portsmouth full-back Glen Johnson is expected to sign with Liverpool as soon as he completes a medical.
The Reds offered £19 million for Johnson and will only miss out on his services if Chelsea or Manchester City come forward with a bigger offer.
Johnson signed a four-year deal with Portsmouth in January but has often spoken about a move to a bigger club and the fact Pompey chairman Peter Storrie is prepared to sell him indicates a shift is almost certain.
Thats a lot of monay if its true 😱
Portsmouth’s Johnson expected to land at Liverpool
16.06.09 | Andrew Slevison
Portsmouth full-back Glen Johnson is expected to sign with Liverpool as soon as he completes a medical.
The Reds offered £19 million for Johnson and will only miss out on his services if Chelsea or Manchester City come forward with a bigger offer.
Johnson signed a four-year deal with Portsmouth in January but has often spoken about a move to a bigger club and the fact Pompey chairman Peter Storrie is prepared to sell him indicates a shift is almost certain.
Thats a lot of monay if its true 😱
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tribalfootball is quite shizzle but:
Portsmouth’s Johnson expected to land at Liverpool
16.06.09 | Andrew Slevison
Portsmouth full-back Glen Johnson is expected to sign with Liverpool as soon as he completes a medical.
The Reds offered £19 million for Johnson and will only miss out on his services if Chelsea or Manchester City come forward with a bigger offer.
Johnson signed a four-year deal with Portsmouth in January but has often spoken about a move to a bigger club and the fact Pompey chairman Peter Storrie is prepared to sell him indicates a shift is almost certain.
Thats a lot of monay if its true 😱
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Jesus. A faster Steve Finnan with a slightly less accurate cross worth 10% less than Torres.
tribalfootball is quite shizzle but:
Portsmouth’s Johnson expected to land at Liverpool
16.06.09 | Andrew Slevison
Portsmouth full-back Glen Johnson is expected to sign with Liverpool as soon as he completes a medical.
The Reds offered £19 million for Johnson and will only miss out on his services if Chelsea or Manchester City come forward with a bigger offer.
Johnson signed a four-year deal with Portsmouth in January but has often spoken about a move to a bigger club and the fact Pompey chairman Peter Storrie is prepared to sell him indicates a shift is almost certain.
Thats a lot of monay if its true 😱
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Jesus. A faster Steve Finnan with a slightly less accurate cross worth 10% less than Torres.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=29971.msg888849#msg888849 date=1245102006]
£18.5 million?
*Faints*
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*Vomits*
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United paid exactly that few for Carrick and Hargreaves. It's the premium you pay for young English players.
Too often on this site, we get criticised for buying 2nd-rate, 7M players and not going out and getting the best available.
Well at 18M for a right-back, that can't be claimed this time. Fair play to Rafa and the club for this.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=29971.msg888849#msg888849 date=1245102006]
£18.5 million?
*Faints*
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*Vomits*
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United paid exactly that few for Carrick and Hargreaves. It's the premium you pay for young English players.
Too often on this site, we get criticised for buying 2nd-rate, 7M players and not going out and getting the best available.
Well at 18M for a right-back, that can't be claimed this time. Fair play to Rafa and the club for this.
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[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=29971.msg889003#msg889003 date=1245122371]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=29971.msg888849#msg888849 date=1245102006]
£18.5 million?
*Faints*
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*Vomits*
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United paid exactly that few for Carrick and Hargreaves. It's the premium you pay for young English players.
Too often on this site, we get criticised for buying 2nd-rate, 7M players and not going out and getting the best available.
Well at 18M for a right-back, that can't be claimed this time. Fair play to Rafa and the club for this.
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Maybe we should spend 30M on him to underscore this point.
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=29971.msg889003#msg889003 date=1245122371]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=29971.msg888849#msg888849 date=1245102006]
£18.5 million?
*Faints*
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*Vomits*
[/quote]
United paid exactly that few for Carrick and Hargreaves. It's the premium you pay for young English players.
Too often on this site, we get criticised for buying 2nd-rate, 7M players and not going out and getting the best available.
Well at 18M for a right-back, that can't be claimed this time. Fair play to Rafa and the club for this.
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Maybe we should spend 30M on him to underscore this point.
This is a tiresome thread. I hope we don't sign Johnson now because it will just be one of those signings where half the people on here want him to bomb so they can gloat. Like Keane was.
Pointless debate.
If we don't meet a club's valuation of a top player, we've no ambition. If we do meet it, we're overpaying. We've just matched Chelsea's bid for the England RB and it looks like he'd prefer to come to us. You'd expect people to be happy about that.
Half the people on here want to pay 20M for that Argie from Napoil, despite never having heard of him until 2 weeks ago when The Daily Um Bongo said we were after him and then someone on here said he was a bit like Tevez (although obviously he's not as good).
Never mind.
Pointless debate.
If we don't meet a club's valuation of a top player, we've no ambition. If we do meet it, we're overpaying. We've just matched Chelsea's bid for the England RB and it looks like he'd prefer to come to us. You'd expect people to be happy about that.
Half the people on here want to pay 20M for that Argie from Napoil, despite never having heard of him until 2 weeks ago when The Daily Um Bongo said we were after him and then someone on here said he was a bit like Tevez (although obviously he's not as good).
Never mind.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=29971.msg889004#msg889004 date=1245122603]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=29971.msg889003#msg889003 date=1245122371]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=29971.msg888849#msg888849 date=1245102006]
£18.5 million?
*Faints*
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*Vomits*
[/quote]
United paid exactly that few for Carrick and Hargreaves. It's the premium you pay for young English players.
Too often on this site, we get criticised for buying 2nd-rate, 7M players and not going out and getting the best available.
Well at 18M for a right-back, that can't be claimed this time. Fair play to Rafa and the club for this.
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Maybe we should spend 30M on him to underscore this point.
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Huh? I don't get ya.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=29971.msg889004#msg889004 date=1245122603]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=29971.msg889003#msg889003 date=1245122371]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=29971.msg888849#msg888849 date=1245102006]
£18.5 million?
*Faints*
[/quote]
*Vomits*
[/quote]
United paid exactly that few for Carrick and Hargreaves. It's the premium you pay for young English players.
Too often on this site, we get criticised for buying 2nd-rate, 7M players and not going out and getting the best available.
Well at 18M for a right-back, that can't be claimed this time. Fair play to Rafa and the club for this.
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Maybe we should spend 30M on him to underscore this point.
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Huh? I don't get ya.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=29971.msg889012#msg889012 date=1245126470]
This is a tiresome thread. I hope we don't sign Johnson now because it will just be one of those signings where half the people on here want him to bomb so they can gloat. Like Keane was.
Pointless debate.
If we don't meet a club's valuation of a top player, we've no ambition. If we do meet it, we're overpaying. We've just matched Chelsea's bid for the England RB and it looks like he'd prefer to come to us. You'd expect people to be happy about that.
Half the people on here want to pay 20M for that Argie from Napoil, despite never having heard of him until 2 weeks ago when The Daily Um Bongo said we were after him and then someone on here said he was a bit like Tevez (although obviously he's not as good).
Never mind.
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You know, not everyone is a cunt, and there's a lot of room between thinking we are overpaying and thinking/hoping he'll be a failure. Given that success will mean we win the league, no one is going to be counting the net spend and return on investment if that happens. I think its fine for us to pay more, and to prejudice buying English as well. It isn't even really about Glen Johnson for me, I'll be happy to see him play for us, he is a good player. It's about making sure we have enough cash to buy the right fit in attack. In addition, with Carragher having to play backup at RB a few times this season, if its Arbeloa out Johnson in, won't we still require another purchase?
I'll evaluate whether our overvaluation is a problem, after I see how we spend the remainder of our cash on the top priority.
This is a tiresome thread. I hope we don't sign Johnson now because it will just be one of those signings where half the people on here want him to bomb so they can gloat. Like Keane was.
Pointless debate.
If we don't meet a club's valuation of a top player, we've no ambition. If we do meet it, we're overpaying. We've just matched Chelsea's bid for the England RB and it looks like he'd prefer to come to us. You'd expect people to be happy about that.
Half the people on here want to pay 20M for that Argie from Napoil, despite never having heard of him until 2 weeks ago when The Daily Um Bongo said we were after him and then someone on here said he was a bit like Tevez (although obviously he's not as good).
Never mind.
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You know, not everyone is a cunt, and there's a lot of room between thinking we are overpaying and thinking/hoping he'll be a failure. Given that success will mean we win the league, no one is going to be counting the net spend and return on investment if that happens. I think its fine for us to pay more, and to prejudice buying English as well. It isn't even really about Glen Johnson for me, I'll be happy to see him play for us, he is a good player. It's about making sure we have enough cash to buy the right fit in attack. In addition, with Carragher having to play backup at RB a few times this season, if its Arbeloa out Johnson in, won't we still require another purchase?
I'll evaluate whether our overvaluation is a problem, after I see how we spend the remainder of our cash on the top priority.
a player is worth the amount a club is willing to pay for him. is carrick worth 18 million (the same as masher)? but he (carrick) helped manu win the title.
We are in the market for two players only so they should be the best two available we can lay our hand on. who are we going to get who is better for less money?
ship out dossena to offset the fee.
We are in the market for two players only so they should be the best two available we can lay our hand on. who are we going to get who is better for less money?
ship out dossena to offset the fee.
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[quote author=Markeh link=topic=29971.msg888997#msg888997 date=1245119251]
tribalfootball is quite shizzle but:
Portsmouth’s Johnson expected to land at Liverpool
16.06.09 | Andrew Slevison
Portsmouth full-back Glen Johnson is expected to sign with Liverpool as soon as he completes a medical.
The Reds offered £19 million for Johnson and will only miss out on his services if Chelsea or Manchester City come forward with a bigger offer.
Johnson signed a four-year deal with Portsmouth in January but has often spoken about a move to a bigger club and the fact Pompey chairman Peter Storrie is prepared to sell him indicates a shift is almost certain.
Thats a lot of monay if its true 😱
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Jesus. A faster Steve Finnan with a slightly less accurate cross worth 10% less than Torres.
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I'm not saying we wouldn't be overpaying but holding Torres' value up as some kind of indicator isn't really a fair reflection as things stand.
For starters, Torres was an absolute steal at the price we got him. He'd be worth £50m+ in the current climate so the comparison is misleading.
Secondly, Johnson is a little more than 'fast Steve Finnan'. He is a very accomplished attacking fullback, far more so than Finnan was. His ability and composure on the ball is superb for an English player in his position. What's more, he can also operate comfortably on the right side of midfield.
It's expensive, but it's to be expected really.
[quote author=Markeh link=topic=29971.msg888997#msg888997 date=1245119251]
tribalfootball is quite shizzle but:
Portsmouth’s Johnson expected to land at Liverpool
16.06.09 | Andrew Slevison
Portsmouth full-back Glen Johnson is expected to sign with Liverpool as soon as he completes a medical.
The Reds offered £19 million for Johnson and will only miss out on his services if Chelsea or Manchester City come forward with a bigger offer.
Johnson signed a four-year deal with Portsmouth in January but has often spoken about a move to a bigger club and the fact Pompey chairman Peter Storrie is prepared to sell him indicates a shift is almost certain.
Thats a lot of monay if its true 😱
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Jesus. A faster Steve Finnan with a slightly less accurate cross worth 10% less than Torres.
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I'm not saying we wouldn't be overpaying but holding Torres' value up as some kind of indicator isn't really a fair reflection as things stand.
For starters, Torres was an absolute steal at the price we got him. He'd be worth £50m+ in the current climate so the comparison is misleading.
Secondly, Johnson is a little more than 'fast Steve Finnan'. He is a very accomplished attacking fullback, far more so than Finnan was. His ability and composure on the ball is superb for an English player in his position. What's more, he can also operate comfortably on the right side of midfield.
It's expensive, but it's to be expected really.
I'm reasonably excited about getting Glen Johnson as our new RB, and wouldn't mind the cost if it were not for the fact that a) we all know we have limited transfer funds; b) we all know we need a new LW and possibly a striker; c) the only way we'll be able to afford those players after this is by selling players for a lot of money; and d) the only players we can sell for a lot of money are Xabi and Mascherano.
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I'm reasonably excited about getting Glen Johnson as our new RB, and wouldn't mind the cost if it were not for the fact that a) we all know we have limited transfer funds; b) we all know we need a new LW and possibly a striker; c) the only way we'll be able to afford those players after this is by selling players for a lot of money; and d) the only players we can sell for a lot of money are Xabi and Mascherano.
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Heh, well I'm not excited anymore.
I'm reasonably excited about getting Glen Johnson as our new RB, and wouldn't mind the cost if it were not for the fact that a) we all know we have limited transfer funds; b) we all know we need a new LW and possibly a striker; c) the only way we'll be able to afford those players after this is by selling players for a lot of money; and d) the only players we can sell for a lot of money are Xabi and Mascherano.
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Heh, well I'm not excited anymore.
I thought Johnson would be a huge star at Chelsea but Mourinho never seemed convinced. Obviously one has to respect the judgement of Jose but in this case I think he got it badly wrong, whenever I have seen Johnson play for; West Ham, Chelsea, Portsmouth or England he always looks like one of the best right backs in Europe - I am excited about this potential signing.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=29971.msg889026#msg889026 date=1245136461]
I'm reasonably excited about getting Glen Johnson as our new RB, and wouldn't mind the cost if it were not for the fact that a) we all know we have limited transfer funds; b) we all know we need a new LW and possibly a striker; c) the only way we'll be able to afford those players after this is by selling players for a lot of money; and d) the only players we can sell for a lot of money are Xabi and Mascherano.
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come on we still have shitdje, doseena, arbeloa (possibly), voronin, leto, babel and please god lucas to sell. in this market there's a easy 30 to 35 million there. i still expect to see one more player brought in the c20-25 million price range
I'm reasonably excited about getting Glen Johnson as our new RB, and wouldn't mind the cost if it were not for the fact that a) we all know we have limited transfer funds; b) we all know we need a new LW and possibly a striker; c) the only way we'll be able to afford those players after this is by selling players for a lot of money; and d) the only players we can sell for a lot of money are Xabi and Mascherano.
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come on we still have shitdje, doseena, arbeloa (possibly), voronin, leto, babel and please god lucas to sell. in this market there's a easy 30 to 35 million there. i still expect to see one more player brought in the c20-25 million price range
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg889017#msg889017 date=1245132670]
a player is worth the amount a club is willing to pay for him. is carrick worth 18 million (the same as masher)? but he (carrick) helped manu win the title.
We are in the market for two players only so they should be the best two available we can lay our hand on. who are we going to get who is better for less money?
ship out dossena to offset the fee.
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Torres and Keane went for a similar fee. Only a fool would say they were worth the same.
One was a great deal, the other a bad one. Had they been worth the same they would have performed to similar levels.
a player is worth the amount a club is willing to pay for him. is carrick worth 18 million (the same as masher)? but he (carrick) helped manu win the title.
We are in the market for two players only so they should be the best two available we can lay our hand on. who are we going to get who is better for less money?
ship out dossena to offset the fee.
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Torres and Keane went for a similar fee. Only a fool would say they were worth the same.
One was a great deal, the other a bad one. Had they been worth the same they would have performed to similar levels.
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David Byrne
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=29971.msg889046#msg889046 date=1245138671]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg889017#msg889017 date=1245132670]
a player is worth the amount a club is willing to pay for him. is carrick worth 18 million (the same as masher)? but he (carrick) helped manu win the title.
We are in the market for two players only so they should be the best two available we can lay our hand on. who are we going to get who is better for less money?
ship out dossena to offset the fee.
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Torres and Keane went for a similar fee. Only a fool would say they were worth the same.
One was a great deal, the other a bad one. Had they been worth the same they would have performed to similar levels.
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Which is not the point he was making was it?
I guess some people are just not happy unless they're whinging.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg889017#msg889017 date=1245132670]
a player is worth the amount a club is willing to pay for him. is carrick worth 18 million (the same as masher)? but he (carrick) helped manu win the title.
We are in the market for two players only so they should be the best two available we can lay our hand on. who are we going to get who is better for less money?
ship out dossena to offset the fee.
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Torres and Keane went for a similar fee. Only a fool would say they were worth the same.
One was a great deal, the other a bad one. Had they been worth the same they would have performed to similar levels.
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Which is not the point he was making was it?
I guess some people are just not happy unless they're whinging.
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David Byrne
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=29971.msg889058#msg889058 date=1245139601]
Ross is from Dublin too David, which as you well know - makes any point from him even less pertinent.
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Quite the persecution complex.
Ross is from Dublin too David, which as you well know - makes any point from him even less pertinent.
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Quite the persecution complex.
Very happy with this, tireless going forward from his position, improved defender, England international and 24 years old, £18.5m, has to be paid in today's market.
Selling Dossena isn't going to leave us short at left-back, Arbeloa wouldn't stay as a backup either, so using them to fund a move isn't criminal.
I can only assume Rafa will have money left over for a good quality attacker though, he better have.
Selling Dossena isn't going to leave us short at left-back, Arbeloa wouldn't stay as a backup either, so using them to fund a move isn't criminal.
I can only assume Rafa will have money left over for a good quality attacker though, he better have.
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg889063#msg889063 date=1245139888]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=29971.msg889058#msg889058 date=1245139601]
Ross is from Dublin too David, which as you well know - makes any point from him even less pertinent.
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Quite the persecution complex.
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How many threads do you intend to ruin today?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=29971.msg889058#msg889058 date=1245139601]
Ross is from Dublin too David, which as you well know - makes any point from him even less pertinent.
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Quite the persecution complex.
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How many threads do you intend to ruin today?
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David Byrne
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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=29971.msg889073#msg889073 date=1245140629]
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg889063#msg889063 date=1245139888]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=29971.msg889058#msg889058 date=1245139601]
Ross is from Dublin too David, which as you well know - makes any point from him even less pertinent.
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Quite the persecution complex.
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How many threads do you intend to ruin today?
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Not sure. Depends on how many of your sensitive mates take offence at the slightest comment and can't get their own way.
I'm sure you'll be there to back them up...
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg889063#msg889063 date=1245139888]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=29971.msg889058#msg889058 date=1245139601]
Ross is from Dublin too David, which as you well know - makes any point from him even less pertinent.
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Quite the persecution complex.
[/quote]
How many threads do you intend to ruin today?
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Not sure. Depends on how many of your sensitive mates take offence at the slightest comment and can't get their own way.
I'm sure you'll be there to back them up...
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=29971.msg889026#msg889026 date=1245136461]
I'm reasonably excited about getting Glen Johnson as our new RB, and wouldn't mind the cost if it were not for the fact that a) we all know we have limited transfer funds; b) we all know we need a new LW and possibly a striker; c) the only way we'll be able to afford those players after this is by selling players for a lot of money; and d) the only players we can sell for a lot of money are Xabi and Mascherano.
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come on we still have shitdje, doseena, arbeloa (possibly), voronin, leto, babel and please god lucas to sell. in this market there's a easy 30 to 35 million there. i still expect to see one more player brought in the c20-25 million price range
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After all those quotes from Rafael about Lucas, he will not leave. So forget about cashing on him.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=29971.msg889026#msg889026 date=1245136461]
I'm reasonably excited about getting Glen Johnson as our new RB, and wouldn't mind the cost if it were not for the fact that a) we all know we have limited transfer funds; b) we all know we need a new LW and possibly a striker; c) the only way we'll be able to afford those players after this is by selling players for a lot of money; and d) the only players we can sell for a lot of money are Xabi and Mascherano.
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come on we still have shitdje, doseena, arbeloa (possibly), voronin, leto, babel and please god lucas to sell. in this market there's a easy 30 to 35 million there. i still expect to see one more player brought in the c20-25 million price range
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After all those quotes from Rafael about Lucas, he will not leave. So forget about cashing on him.
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