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Bound to be a heavily structured deal. I reckon 12 million rising to the 16 million mark is a more realistic sum. If we get a decent return on Dossena then all the better.
Glen Johnson - done deal according to papers
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=29971.msg888857#msg888857 date=1245102402]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=29971.msg888856#msg888856 date=1245102365]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=29971.msg888854#msg888854 date=1245102260]
So Rafa's going to take a punt on Aurelio and Insua at left back if this is to believed.
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I'd take that.
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Me too. Should have done it last season and saved us the Dossena cash.
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hind sight is 20-20
mind you i supposed that dossena is used to seeing hind he's that slow
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=29971.msg888854#msg888854 date=1245102260]
So Rafa's going to take a punt on Aurelio and Insua at left back if this is to believed.
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I'd take that.
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Me too. Should have done it last season and saved us the Dossena cash.
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hind sight is 20-20
mind you i supposed that dossena is used to seeing hind he's that slow
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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=29971.msg888853#msg888853 date=1245102167]
So 11M if you discount the Crouchie wonga they owe us?
That's not too bad.
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It's still £18m.
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...and so it begins.
Torres cost us between 18 and 26 million depending on your agenda.
The Guardian are saying he's going to Chelsea for the same fee. They're all full of shit.
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=29971.msg888853#msg888853 date=1245102167]
So 11M if you discount the Crouchie wonga they owe us?
That's not too bad.
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It's still £18m.
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...and so it begins.
Torres cost us between 18 and 26 million depending on your agenda.
The Guardian are saying he's going to Chelsea for the same fee. They're all full of shit.
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg888862#msg888862 date=1245103114]
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=29971.msg888860#msg888860 date=1245102847]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=29971.msg888853#msg888853 date=1245102167]
So 11M if you discount the Crouchie wonga they owe us?
That's not too bad.
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It's still £18m.
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...and so it begins.
Torres cost us between 18 and 26 million depending on your agenda.
The Guardian are saying he's going to Chelsea for the same fee. They're all full of shit.
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What agenda? What are you on about? The truth will out, chill ffs
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=29971.msg888860#msg888860 date=1245102847]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=29971.msg888853#msg888853 date=1245102167]
So 11M if you discount the Crouchie wonga they owe us?
That's not too bad.
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It's still £18m.
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...and so it begins.
Torres cost us between 18 and 26 million depending on your agenda.
The Guardian are saying he's going to Chelsea for the same fee. They're all full of shit.
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What agenda? What are you on about? The truth will out, chill ffs
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David Byrne
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I'm ice cold. It's just an expression. You chill out.
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David Byrne
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Tis a bit sticky here, like. I may have to sleep in the buff.
that's a lot of money whichever way you look at it. whilst i wanted a right back alongside arbeloa i didn't want us spending 18.5 million on him. the lack of an improvement on arbeloa didn't cost us the title. the lack of options in attack did.
for 18.5 million i'd rather have promoted darby or gone bought srna.
all said and done i suppose it depends on what the team looks like at the end of the window, doseena's out, arbeloa with his contract running down probably also. as long as we get a world class left sided attacker and cover for torres we'll have bought players in positions most of us wanted.
wow that's still like nearly our record signing on glen johnson.
for 18.5 million i'd rather have promoted darby or gone bought srna.
all said and done i suppose it depends on what the team looks like at the end of the window, doseena's out, arbeloa with his contract running down probably also. as long as we get a world class left sided attacker and cover for torres we'll have bought players in positions most of us wanted.
wow that's still like nearly our record signing on glen johnson.
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[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=29971.msg888860#msg888860 date=1245102847]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=29971.msg888853#msg888853 date=1245102167]
So 11M if you discount the Crouchie wonga they owe us?
That's not too bad.
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It's still £18m.
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But its not. If they still need to pay up 7M..
It's 11M.
Duh.
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=29971.msg888853#msg888853 date=1245102167]
So 11M if you discount the Crouchie wonga they owe us?
That's not too bad.
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It's still £18m.
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But its not. If they still need to pay up 7M..
It's 11M.
Duh.
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=29971.msg888900#msg888900 date=1245105387]
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=29971.msg888860#msg888860 date=1245102847]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=29971.msg888853#msg888853 date=1245102167]
So 11M if you discount the Crouchie wonga they owe us?
That's not too bad.
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It's still £18m.
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But its not. If they still need to pay up 7M..
It's 11M.
Duh.
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It's still £18m.
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=29971.msg888860#msg888860 date=1245102847]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=29971.msg888853#msg888853 date=1245102167]
So 11M if you discount the Crouchie wonga they owe us?
That's not too bad.
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It's still £18m.
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But its not. If they still need to pay up 7M..
It's 11M.
Duh.
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It's still £18m.
I'll give my take on the situation.
If this deal does go through at 18.5 million, i'll be thinking yes this is pricey, had it been 15-16m, i'd have thought it would be a cracking deal. In reality 2-3 million is not alot when considering he could potentially be our RB for a very very long time. He's a brilliant athelte, grat stamina, and goes forward really really well, and can also DEFEND. A fullback who can attack well and defend in todays game is hard to come by, and in glen johnson, he will offer that.
It will take some time for people to realise this, but he will slot well in that position, and overlap when we need him, providing that all important width.
Would be a cracking signing if this happens, fingers crossed.
If this deal does go through at 18.5 million, i'll be thinking yes this is pricey, had it been 15-16m, i'd have thought it would be a cracking deal. In reality 2-3 million is not alot when considering he could potentially be our RB for a very very long time. He's a brilliant athelte, grat stamina, and goes forward really really well, and can also DEFEND. A fullback who can attack well and defend in todays game is hard to come by, and in glen johnson, he will offer that.
It will take some time for people to realise this, but he will slot well in that position, and overlap when we need him, providing that all important width.
Would be a cracking signing if this happens, fingers crossed.
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David Byrne
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Thing is, you'll never please everyone with the fee. Some complain that we're not pro active enough and get outbid, and then complain when we over pay and seal the deal. I blame the internet.
As long as the manager gets his main targets and they improve us, I'm past caring how much they cost. I'm a fan not an accountant.
As long as the manager gets his main targets and they improve us, I'm past caring how much they cost. I'm a fan not an accountant.
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Thing is, you'll never please everyone with the fee. Some complain that we're not pro active enough and get outbid, and then complain when we over pay and seal the deal. I blame the internet.
As long as the manager gets his main targets and they improve us, I'm past caring how much they cost. I'm a fan not an accountant.
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Agree with the point in general, just not if it comes at the cost of lack of improvement elewhere ie at the moment attacking threat
Thing is, you'll never please everyone with the fee. Some complain that we're not pro active enough and get outbid, and then complain when we over pay and seal the deal. I blame the internet.
As long as the manager gets his main targets and they improve us, I'm past caring how much they cost. I'm a fan not an accountant.
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Agree with the point in general, just not if it comes at the cost of lack of improvement elewhere ie at the moment attacking threat
If it's £11m and that mean's we've lost £7m elsewhere, it's effectively £18m.
Not sure why some seem to think it's fine to "lose" £7m.
Not sure why some seem to think it's fine to "lose" £7m.
"So. If I add 7 million to 11 million......."
[quote author=ankreds link=topic=29971.msg888916#msg888916 date=1245105968]
I'll give my take on the situation.
If this deal does go through at 18.5 million, i'll be thinking yes this is pricey, had it been 15-16m, i'd have thought it would be a cracking deal. In reality 2-3 million is not alot when considering he could potentially be our RB for a very very long time. He's a brilliant athelte, grat stamina, and goes forward really really well, and can also DEFEND. A fullback who can attack well and defend in todays game is hard to come by, and in glen johnson, he will offer that.
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What the fuck sort of logic is that. Overpaying is overpaying. You are a salesman's dream.
He's a good, but not spectacular right back. Spending 18.5 is fucking ludicrous, even in this market, even with his being English, even with him currently being an England international.
He's perhaps an incremental improvement on what we have, based on a shaky end of the season by Arbeloa, and promising displays by Johnson. We aren't going to recoup more than half the transfer on Arbeloa. Even if we sell Arbeloa to finance the deal, is it worth spending a third or more of our transfer budget this summer on a right back, when we have other pressing concerns? 2-3 million is the difference between us being gouged on the deal, and there being an argument it is reasonable.
I'll give my take on the situation.
If this deal does go through at 18.5 million, i'll be thinking yes this is pricey, had it been 15-16m, i'd have thought it would be a cracking deal. In reality 2-3 million is not alot when considering he could potentially be our RB for a very very long time. He's a brilliant athelte, grat stamina, and goes forward really really well, and can also DEFEND. A fullback who can attack well and defend in todays game is hard to come by, and in glen johnson, he will offer that.
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What the fuck sort of logic is that. Overpaying is overpaying. You are a salesman's dream.
He's a good, but not spectacular right back. Spending 18.5 is fucking ludicrous, even in this market, even with his being English, even with him currently being an England international.
He's perhaps an incremental improvement on what we have, based on a shaky end of the season by Arbeloa, and promising displays by Johnson. We aren't going to recoup more than half the transfer on Arbeloa. Even if we sell Arbeloa to finance the deal, is it worth spending a third or more of our transfer budget this summer on a right back, when we have other pressing concerns? 2-3 million is the difference between us being gouged on the deal, and there being an argument it is reasonable.
This is a bit like the Alves situation really. Rafa wasn't given the additional few million we needed to sign him, however pricey it seemed at the time. Perhaps now he's got the control he wanted, he's willing to go the extra mile.
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"So. If I add 7 million to 11 million......."
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Ha.
HC, it's 18m, whether the 7m was from the Crouch deal or not, it simply changes the structure of the payments, not the fee.
"So. If I add 7 million to 11 million......."
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Ha.
HC, it's 18m, whether the 7m was from the Crouch deal or not, it simply changes the structure of the payments, not the fee.
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David Byrne
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Ignoring the fact that we haven't signed him yet, and are probably also in the market for a striker/winger, Rafa obviously feels a quality attacking full back will give us the edge we need as opposed to the usual lustings for 'attacking players' who could just as easily flop, ala Keane.
As long as we get a top left winger cum forward then I'll look the other way when it comes to the price of this deal.
Whilst the price is 18m.. the 7m from Crouch could have been a million each year for the next 7 years.. if Rafa's happy to forego those installments and take a chance on using all available monies (present and near future money) now, then i guess we have to trust him. After all, Gerrard and Torres aren't going to be young forever and it's vital this summer we get it right this summer, whatever the price.
Whilst the price is 18m.. the 7m from Crouch could have been a million each year for the next 7 years.. if Rafa's happy to forego those installments and take a chance on using all available monies (present and near future money) now, then i guess we have to trust him. After all, Gerrard and Torres aren't going to be young forever and it's vital this summer we get it right this summer, whatever the price.
Shame he is still not at the club.. but it would be oh so fitting...
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"So. If I add 7 million to 11 million......."
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"So. If I add 7 million to 11 million......."
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I have reservations about this one. I think Johnson is a good player, but no more than that. He's definitely a better crosser than Arbeloa and I think that in itself would have turned around a few of the 0-0 draws we had this year.
I think defensively in one on one situations I'd prefer Arbeloa, but then again I have to think that the players Johnson will play with and the coaches he'll learn from will improve him no end while he's here.
I wonder has Arbeloa stalled / refused to sign a contract extension and that's why he's being shipped out ?
I think defensively in one on one situations I'd prefer Arbeloa, but then again I have to think that the players Johnson will play with and the coaches he'll learn from will improve him no end while he's here.
I wonder has Arbeloa stalled / refused to sign a contract extension and that's why he's being shipped out ?
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