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If you're saying that he's been our 5th best player this season then I'd probably agree with you, Wiz. But I would point to injuries and the poor form of some of our other players, and a general lack of quality throughout the team. Besides, I really don't think that being our 5th best player in a season as poor as this one is such a great achievement. 5th best = 6th shittest.

I would also suggest that him being selected by three separate managers is indicative of our lack of quality, more than anything. I mean, what are the alternatives? Our replacements for two parts of 'the best midfield in the world' have been underwhelming to say the least. I'm pretty sure I could get into the team ahead of Poulsen - sometimes I wonder if he's gone back in time 5 minutes he's so far behind the play.

I'm not in the business of slagging our players off for the sake of it. I have been pleasantly surprised by some of Lucas' performances this season, but equally, there have been just as many depressingly familiar displays. Is he worthy of his place in our team at present? Probably. Should he be in our starting line-up next season? Absolutely not. That's all I'm saying really. Credit to him for raising his level year on year, but he'd need to improve immeasurably to justify a place in a team with genuine ambition.

If he's happy with a bit-part role then by all means give him a new contract. Something tells me he wouldn't be, though.
 
Lucas will be a class act for Liverpool FC, says Brazilian World Cup winner Rai
by James Pearce, Liverpool Echo

FORMER Brazil star Rai believes Liverpool midfielder Lucas Leiva will silence his critics and prove to be a major success for both club and country.

The 1994 World Cup winner is a big fan of the 24-year-old who has faced an ongoing battle to win over supporters following his arrival at Anfield from Gremio in 2007.

Lucas’ progress has been recognised with a starting spot for Brazil under coach Mano Menezes and Rai insists Liverpool have got themselves a class act.

“Lucas was so young when he first got into the Brazilian national team after making such a good start with his club,†Rai said.

“In my opinion his ability is at a level that justifies him being in the group of the national team. He has the quality to play in Liverpool’s side too.

“I don’t follow the Premier League extremely closely but I think he can change people’s opinion of him because he’s got the qualities to do it.

“Maybe the national team is the place to give him more confidence and to then show it in Liverpoo too.â€
 
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If you're saying that he's been our 5th best player this season then I'd probably agree with you, Wiz. But I would point to injuries and the poor form of some of our other players, and a general lack of quality throughout the team. Besides, I really don't think that being our 5th best player in a season as poor as this one is such a great achievement. 5th best = 6th shittest.

I would also suggest that him being selected by three separate managers is indicative of our lack of quality, more than anything. I mean, what are the alternatives? Our replacements for two parts of 'the best midfield in the world' have been underwhelming to say the least. I'm pretty sure I could get into the team ahead of Poulsen - sometimes I wonder if he's gone back in time 5 minutes he's so far behind the play.

I'm not in the business of slagging our players off for the sake of it. I have been pleasantly surprised by some of Lucas' performances this season, but equally, there have been just as many depressingly familiar displays. Is he worthy of his place in our team at present? Probably. Should he be in our starting line-up next season? Absolutely not. That's all I'm saying really. Credit to him for raising his level year on year, but he'd need to improve immeasurably to justify a place in a team with genuine ambition.

If he's happy with a bit-part role then by all means give him a new contract. Something tells me he wouldn't be, though.
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I know we're Liverpool and all, Del, so we should be top 2 and, preferably, top one but all this talk about how poor we are is really incongruous with what's going on at pitch level. Over the last 6 weeks we're 1 point off being the number one team in that time with the incomprehensible loss to bottom 3 West Ham the reason we're not first. We're the form team of the EPL over the last 10 weeks. If Lucas hasn't been one of our top 4 or 5 performed players in that period then I'll eat my shirt.

Sure, we had a terrible start to the season but we've knocked over the Chavs and the mancs in this 10 week time frame as well as some other strong performances. We look at the table and see ourselves well off top 4 and think "poor season" - which it has been. But we've been playing well for the last 10 weeks - as good as any other team in the country and Lucas has been an integral part of that. I would happily take this kind of form for 38 weeks next season and if Lucas is a part of that then so be it.

I happen to think he'll be in the first team fairly regularly next season too - no certain knowledge of it one way or the other but that's my thought. I think Kenny trusts him and will be happy to play him next season. If not then fair enough but to dismiss the guys performances this season as being amongst the best of a bad bunch is just lazy and a cop out - IMHO.
 
plus its nice to have a player made out of an alloy/element that has yet to be named

indestructonium
 
Apparently the government are trying it out as a new alloy to build their tanks with. Lightweight, reliable and indestructible. The downside is it makes them slow, they can get stuck now and again and they're not very accurate
 
Yeah i heard in response the Russians are investing big money into their anti tank weaponry.

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Yeah i heard in response the Russians are investing big money into their anti tank weaponry.

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Pah. That will never pierce purest Lucanium. You know this to be true.
 
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If you're saying that he's been our 5th best player this season then I'd probably agree with you, Wiz. But I would point to injuries and the poor form of some of our other players, and a general lack of quality throughout the team. Besides, I really don't think that being our 5th best player in a season as poor as this one is such a great achievement. 5th best = 6th shittest.

I would also suggest that him being selected by three separate managers is indicative of our lack of quality, more than anything. I mean, what are the alternatives? Our replacements for two parts of 'the best midfield in the world' have been underwhelming to say the least. I'm pretty sure I could get into the team ahead of Poulsen - sometimes I wonder if he's gone back in time 5 minutes he's so far behind the play.

I'm not in the business of slagging our players off for the sake of it. I have been pleasantly surprised by some of Lucas' performances this season, but equally, there have been just as many depressingly familiar displays. Is he worthy of his place in our team at present? Probably. Should he be in our starting line-up next season? Absolutely not. That's all I'm saying really. Credit to him for raising his level year on year, but he'd need to improve immeasurably to justify a place in a team with genuine ambition.

If he's happy with a bit-part role then by all means give him a new contract. Something tells me he wouldn't be, though.
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I know we're Liverpool and all, Del, so we should be top 2 and, preferably, top one but all this talk about how poor we are is really incongruous with what's going on at pitch level. Over the last 6 weeks we're 1 point off being the number one team in that time with the incomprehensible loss to bottom 3 West Ham the reason we're not first. We're the form team of the EPL over the last 10 weeks. If Lucas hasn't been one of our top 4 or 5 performed players in that period then I'll eat my shirt.

Sure, we had a terrible start to the season but we've knocked over the Chavs and the mancs in this 10 week time frame as well as some other strong performances. We look at the table and see ourselves well off top 4 and think "poor season" - which it has been. But we've been playing well for the last 10 weeks - as good as any other team in the country and Lucas has been an integral part of that. I would happily take this kind of form for 38 weeks next season and if Lucas is a part of that then so be it.

I happen to think he'll be in the first team fairly regularly next season too - no certain knowledge of it one way or the other but that's my thought. I think Kenny trusts him and will be happy to play him next season. If not then fair enough but to dismiss the guys performances this season as being amongst the best of a bad bunch is just lazy and a cop out - IMHO.
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I think 'best of a bad bunch' is a fairly decent summary, actually. While I would concede that there are more pressing concerns in our team, I'm hoping that there is enough in the budget this summer to address Lucas' position. He is not sufficient as a defensive midfielder, and doesn't offer enough going forward. If he can miraculously improve to the extent that he can mirror the quality of his predocessors, then great. I can't see it though, and our resurgence under Kenny aside, over the course of a season, mediocrity will catch up with you.

We could go round and round in circles with this, though, so perhaps it's best to wait and see how things pan out.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/mar/26/lucas-leiva-brazil-liverpool

Lucas Leiva understands he is finally accepted at Liverpool

The Brazilian midfielder admits his early days on Merseyside were tough but he is blossoming under Kenny Dalglish

Fernando Duarte
The Guardian, Saturday 26 March 2011

After more than three years on Merseyside, Lucas Leiva still struggles with the local accent, but understands it well enough to work out that Liverpool's supporters are now singing his name without irony. But although his relationship with the fans at Anfield has improved immeasurably, the Brazilian acknowledges that his every move will be scrutinised each time he steps on the pitch. It is a familiar feeling.

"Playing for Liverpool brings a similar kind of pressure to when I represent my country," Lucas says. "Both sets of fans have a very low tolerance level of defeat and will not hesitate to demand more from the team. Playing for Liverpool is like being watched by Brazilians!"

The 24-year-old midfielder should know, having featured in each of his country's last five games since being called up by the new coach Mano Menezes, under whom he played at Gremio. Alongside Chelsea's Ramires, Lucas has formed a solid midfield partnership that, barring a late injury, should start Sunday's friendly against Scotland at the Emirates.

Nonetheless, Lucas reveals that he had to convince Menezes he would fit into his plans. Since taking over from Dunga after Brazil's dismal World Cup quarter-final defeat by Holland last summer, Menezes has introduced a more traditional attacking game while Lucas has been deployed in a more defensive role by Liverpool than he was at Gremio. "In Gremio I had carte blanche to go forward and participate more in the attacking plays. But things had to change when I arrived in Liverpool, where I am used much more as a holding midfielder. That transition took time and made settling in even more challenging. It was necessary to prove to Mano that I could still be useful."

Indeed, Lucas partly attributes his struggles to win over the fans and his early lacklustre performances at Anfield to being asked to change his game by the then manager Rafael Benítez when he arrived in 2007. The Brazilian rarely got a glimpse in the first team and even created problems for the club indirectly – in Brazil's 3-0 defeat by Argentina in the 2008 Olympic semi-finals he earned a red card in a dangerous tackle that also injured his club team-mate Javier Mascherano.

"Things were not looking good and some supporters were obviously not happy," he says. "I still think people needed to see the bigger picture. The move to Liverpool represented a change of country, language and there was also the not so small detail that I was only 20 and arriving at a traditional club in one of the most demanding leagues in the world. Also, few people seemed to remember Liverpool had a group of players that had made two of the last three Champions League finals. It would have been impossible to just parachute in. Maybe the supporters thought a Brazilian midfielder would do magic.''

His frustration and anxieties were alleviated by a combination of long conversations with his parents back home and the support of Benítez, who publicly backed him while privately advising Lucas to keep his head down and work harder. Lucas speaks fondly of the role the Spaniard played in rebuilding his confidence and it is no surprise that Benítez's departure last summer was a huge blow, not least because the Brazilian thought the club would sell him at the first opportunity.

"How could I blame Liverpool [if they had]? At that point I had not had a sequence of games long enough for people to see what I was all about. I had the feeling they were not counting on me for the new era. But at the end the club and I reached common ground. I was happy because nobody would want to leave a club as big as Liverpool without a true chance to show their abilities."

Not that there was any immediate chance for Lucas to do so. The arrival of Roy Hodgson in Benítez's stead was followed by a collective dip in form that resulted in Liverpool going out of the Carling Cup and into the bottom three in the Premier League. Reports indicated the players had lost faith in the manager. Lucas, however, fervently denies any mutiny contributed to Hodgson's entry in the history books as Liverpool's shortest-serving manager.

"We lost Rafa and until the pre-season there was not a substitute," he says. "Roy simply brought a philosophy that did not work with the team at that time and this is not the first or last time it will happen. This rumour about us not working hard enough is nonsense. And so was the questioning of Roy's managerial capabilities. He did a great job at Fulham and now is doing well at West Brom."

Hodgson's departure at the start of this year brought the return of an Anfield legend under whom Lucas, and Liverpool, have prospered. The midfielder had met Kenny Dalglish in his ambassadorial role at the club and the manager had also featured heavily in Lucas's crash course in Liverpudlian culture when his move to Merseyside was finalised. Along with piles of Beatles CDs, Lucas devoured DVD anthologies of Liverpool FC goals. A good bunch were scored by his now-manager.

I could see that Dalglish was unbelievable as a player, but he has also made an impression on me as a manager. The world is full of great players flunking as managers. But Dalglish has rescued our confidence and at the same time he has helped us think a bit better."

Dalglish and his assistant manager Steve Clarke have masterminded a change which Lucas says was most evident in the team's first-half display in the 3-1 defeat of Manchester United this month. "During the week of the game, Dalglish talked about the possible United line-ups and made sure we understood how important it would be for us to give them some of their own medicine. He went on and on about suffocating them in midfield. We had a great afternoon doing what he said. His mantra is: make it simple and work together."

Impressive enough for Lucas to forgive his Scottish manager's banter in regards to the London friendly. In the last few weeks, Dalglish has constantly told his player that Scotland will finally break their duck against Brazil in their 10th meeting. After a promising start under Menezes, with victories over the US, Iran and Ukraine, Brazil stumbled against Argentina and France. Winning at the Emirates is essential to keep the fans on board.

"It's a new era and the team is still gelling, for a lot of players who were around in the last World Cup have departed," says Lucas. "We lost both games 1-0, with Argentina scoring in the 90th minute and against France we played almost 60 minutes with 10 men. Scotland will be desperate to surprise us which makes our responsibility to ensure they do not even greater."

When Lucas returns to his club, he will have more on his mind than mulling over the aftermath of the game with Dalglish. With his club contract ending this summer, Lucas is hoping to re-open talks over an extension: He wants to stay and has even joked that would like to see his newborn son Pedro Lucas speaking English with a Scouse twang. But he is still waiting for the club's move.

"I have no reasons to go and I hope the club see things the same. It would be fantastic to play for Liverpool in the Champions League again and I don't see why we can't return.

"We have a squad that is united in its will and desire to return this club to where it belongs."
 
Spanish giants Villarreal are chasing Blackpool's Welsh wizard David Vaughan and Liverpool's Brazilian Lucas Leiva in a double swoop on the Premier League.

Villarreal will watch highly-rated Vaughan in action against England today and are keen to open talks with the Seasiders star who is a free agent in the summer.

Vaughan has previous experience in Spain with Real Sociedad and is willing to go back to La Liga - and with the chance of playing in the Champions League as Villarreal close in on the elite competition.

Villarreal are planning to revamp their side next season despite their success in this campaign. Vaughan is firmly in their sights and can clinch the move with a starring show against the Three Lions.

Vaughan is also wanted by Steve Bruce's Sunderland among others and seems sure to quit Blackpool for a lucrative deal in the summer. He is one of two new midfielders in Villarreal's sights.

Senior spies from Villarreal are also keen on Liverpool's Lucas who has been a major part of the side this season and has played some of his best football under Kenny Dalglish.

Lucas would cost around £7 to £8 million - if the Kop was willing to do business or land the players they want in the summer - although that deal would depend on the fee coming within Villarreal's famously tight budget.

However Villarreal may stretch themselves for both Vaughan and Lucas if they are guaranteed Champions League football at the end of the season.
 
Napoli director of sport Riccardo Bigon is expressing an interest in Liverpool midfielder Lucas Leiva and his counterpart at Shakhtar Fernandinho.

The Partenopei have identified central midfield as a problem area and plan to address the issue once the transfer window opens again in the summer.

La Gazzetta dello Sport claim Napoli already reached an agreement with Lucas and Liverpool back in January only for the deal to fall through at the last minute.

Napoli apparently have a strong relationship with Liverpool following the transfer of their wing-back Andrea Dossena just over a year ago.

Lucas' contract is due to expire in 2012
and though he recently expressed a desire to sign an extension, Liverpool will consider offers worth between €5m and €6m.

As for Fernandinho, he is in the same position at Shakhtar, although the 25-year-old is about to make his comeback after seven months out with a knee injury.

He is valued at €4m and has also drawn interest from Juventus and Fiorentina in recent months.
 
Let's trade.
You can have Leiva and £5 Million and we'll take Lavezzi off your hands.

Next season:

Carroll
Suarez Lavezzi
Aquilani

Gerrard Meireles

Coentrao Agger Cahill Johnson

Reina

I think I just jizzed in my pants.
 
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Let's trade.
You can have Leiva and £5 Million and we'll take Lavezzi of your hands.

Next season:

Carroll
Suarez Lavezzi
Aquilani

Gerrard Meireles

Coentrao Agger Cahill Johnson

Reina

I think I just jizzed in my pants.
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I seem to have a stickiness problem myself.
 
Napoli head the queue for Liverpool midfielder Lucas, who has not yet been offered a new Anfield contract.

The Brazilian international is closing in on the last 12 months of his current deal, and there have been no moves from within the club to extend.

That suggests his days on Merseyside are numbered, with the club already preparing their transfer plans for the summer under new director of football Damien Comolli.

The fact that talks have not even opened suggests it is now unlikely to happen, and Serie A side Napoli have taken note.

The Italians are ready to offer around £3million
, which could be enough for them to get their man as Liverpool are hoping to get ready-made replacement Charlie Adam from Blackpool for a similar figure, given that he too will only have a year remaining on his contract at the end of the season.
 
I don't think that Lucas has enough in his locker to be in Dalglish's plans. Looking at the transfer window just gone and the way the owners are talking of the necessity for player investment I suspect we'll be getting a big name player in the summer to drive up the quality of the first team. I think the Manager and Owners have big ambitions. If Lucas does make the cut I suspect he'll be offered a squad player's position on reduced terms.
 
Agree with most of that (not sure about the reduced terms but I doubt they'll be improved). I'd be OK with him remaining on that basis. If he goes I'd try for a bit more than £3 mill, but wouldn't regard that as unacceptable if Napoli won't be moved from it.
 
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We'll get £10M for him.
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Not if he's only got 1 year left on his contract we wont.
 
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We'll get £10M for him.
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Not if he's only got 1 year left on his contract we wont.
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Exactly!

Which is the reason we bought a player for 6m, watched him improve markedly over the last 2 years and now courting offers of 3m for him to leave.
 
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