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Give the man a new contract
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I did read 80, but I'm sure it is nonsense.
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=44498.msg1307939#msg1307939 date=1301506330]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1307915#msg1307915 date=1301502460]
I'd like to withdraw my numerous comments about how a Director of Football would mean we would make less blatantly stupid decisions.
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I was firmly in that camp as well, but elaborate for me, what would have been the optimal decision in this instance? Letting him go this summer for 4-5m pounds cause he has a year left on his contract, or "protecting his value" as some have said? Or a third option? Let us into the mind of Ross.
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I'm being a bit facetious, and you probably are too.
Firstly whether it's a good deal obviously depends on how long it is and for how much it is for. If he's being paid less than 50k a week - which is plenty of money for what should be a 4th choice central midfielder then it's not a bad deal. Particularly bearing in mind his superb record with injuries and his age - he should improve during the course the contract.
I have trouble trying to accurately gauge what skill set he actually has - he just screams average. Physical talents - none, ball skills - completely average, passing - average, reading the game defensively - poor, tackling not bad but we know he is prone to giving away silly fouls around our box. His workrate is good though.
Are there any regular Premiership midfielders that can't do all of that ? I'd be willing to be most of them can, so I don't see why we'd make any real fuss over tying him up on a deal unless it's at a cheap price. He is easily replaceable. He's an average, always fit midfielder. They have a place in a squad, but how much value you can get out of them is debatable.
I don't see the "protecting his value" argument. He doesn't really have any because nobody wants to buy him, and if we do decide in a couple of years time to sell him the likely scenario (IMO) is - midtable European club wants him, willing to offer 5m, but can't match his 50k a week wages. Liverpool end up paying 15-20k a week for him to play elsewhere for the remaining three years he would have on his deal with us. Meaning of the 5 million we received, about 2.5m to 3m is owed to him.
I would have held off on the contract deal and hoped for a £5m this summer. I didn't think there was any real fear of him being targeted by a better club on a Bosman so he would have most likely been happy to sign whenever we did offer it to him.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1307915#msg1307915 date=1301502460]
I'd like to withdraw my numerous comments about how a Director of Football would mean we would make less blatantly stupid decisions.
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I was firmly in that camp as well, but elaborate for me, what would have been the optimal decision in this instance? Letting him go this summer for 4-5m pounds cause he has a year left on his contract, or "protecting his value" as some have said? Or a third option? Let us into the mind of Ross.
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I'm being a bit facetious, and you probably are too.
Firstly whether it's a good deal obviously depends on how long it is and for how much it is for. If he's being paid less than 50k a week - which is plenty of money for what should be a 4th choice central midfielder then it's not a bad deal. Particularly bearing in mind his superb record with injuries and his age - he should improve during the course the contract.
I have trouble trying to accurately gauge what skill set he actually has - he just screams average. Physical talents - none, ball skills - completely average, passing - average, reading the game defensively - poor, tackling not bad but we know he is prone to giving away silly fouls around our box. His workrate is good though.
Are there any regular Premiership midfielders that can't do all of that ? I'd be willing to be most of them can, so I don't see why we'd make any real fuss over tying him up on a deal unless it's at a cheap price. He is easily replaceable. He's an average, always fit midfielder. They have a place in a squad, but how much value you can get out of them is debatable.
I don't see the "protecting his value" argument. He doesn't really have any because nobody wants to buy him, and if we do decide in a couple of years time to sell him the likely scenario (IMO) is - midtable European club wants him, willing to offer 5m, but can't match his 50k a week wages. Liverpool end up paying 15-20k a week for him to play elsewhere for the remaining three years he would have on his deal with us. Meaning of the 5 million we received, about 2.5m to 3m is owed to him.
I would have held off on the contract deal and hoped for a £5m this summer. I didn't think there was any real fear of him being targeted by a better club on a Bosman so he would have most likely been happy to sign whenever we did offer it to him.
It's debatable that 'nobody wants to buy him', because he's been linked with clubs throughout his time here (whether much of it is probably speculation or not), he's now an international too. We all know what he is, to other clubs he might be something else, you can see why he wouldn't be short of a club or two on the continent - he'd suit the Italian game terrifically and he's NEVER injured.
So I can see sense in protecting his value, if it's the difference between receiving £3m this Summer, or £8m-£10m the summer after. Dependant on how much we're giving him, obv.
So I can see sense in protecting his value, if it's the difference between receiving £3m this Summer, or £8m-£10m the summer after. Dependant on how much we're giving him, obv.
If he continues to impress for Brazil and develop further at Anfield, I highely doubt that there will be short of interested parties should we consider to sell him. Selling him wouldnt be difficult at all.
Still only 24, and if he continues to develop he'll be a good player to have in the squad. He's already played 100 games for us, and has yet to reach the prime of his career.
As Mark said, he is what he is.
Still only 24, and if he continues to develop he'll be a good player to have in the squad. He's already played 100 games for us, and has yet to reach the prime of his career.
As Mark said, he is what he is.
Mark what evidence is there that anyone would offer 10m for Lucas ? All the rumoured bids are in the 3m -5m range.
I think if we asked for that sum any decent club would know there are about 100 players who could do exactly the same as Lucas and for less than half the price.
I think if we asked for that sum any decent club would know there are about 100 players who could do exactly the same as Lucas and for less than half the price.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1308005#msg1308005 date=1301517273]
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=44498.msg1307939#msg1307939 date=1301506330]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1307915#msg1307915 date=1301502460]
I'd like to withdraw my numerous comments about how a Director of Football would mean we would make less blatantly stupid decisions.
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I was firmly in that camp as well, but elaborate for me, what would have been the optimal decision in this instance? Letting him go this summer for 4-5m pounds cause he has a year left on his contract, or "protecting his value" as some have said? Or a third option? Let us into the mind of Ross.
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I'm being a bit facetious, and you probably are too.
Firstly whether it's a good deal obviously depends on how long it is and for how much it is for. If he's being paid less than 50k a week - which is plenty of money for what should be a 4th choice central midfielder then it's not a bad deal. Particularly bearing in mind his superb record with injuries and his age - he should improve during the course the contract.
I have trouble trying to accurately gauge what skill set he actually has - he just screams average. Physical talents - none, ball skills - completely average, passing - average, reading the game defensively - poor, tackling not bad but we know he is prone to giving away silly fouls around our box. His workrate is good though.
Are there any regular Premiership midfielders that can't do all of that ? I'd be willing to be most of them can, so I don't see why we'd make any real fuss over tying him up on a deal unless it's at a cheap price. He is easily replaceable. He's an average, always fit midfielder. They have a place in a squad, but how much value you can get out of them is debatable.
I don't see the "protecting his value" argument. He doesn't really have any because nobody wants to buy him, and if we do decide in a couple of years time to sell him the likely scenario (IMO) is - midtable European club wants him, willing to offer 5m, but can't match his 50k a week wages. Liverpool end up paying 15-20k a week for him to play elsewhere for the remaining three years he would have on his deal with us. Meaning of the 5 million we received, about 2.5m to 3m is owed to him.
I would have held off on the contract deal and hoped for a £5m this summer. I didn't think there was any real fear of him being targeted by a better club on a Bosman so he would have most likely been happy to sign whenever we did offer it to him.
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not THAT facetious, I was genuinely interested in your response. Reading over your post, I have to agree. Flogging him for 5m seems to be way more probable than any potential money we gain from protecting his very average value. My only other worry would be that we take a big hit in depth, as we already need a DM, and now we will need another backup CM/DM.
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=44498.msg1307939#msg1307939 date=1301506330]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1307915#msg1307915 date=1301502460]
I'd like to withdraw my numerous comments about how a Director of Football would mean we would make less blatantly stupid decisions.
[/quote]
I was firmly in that camp as well, but elaborate for me, what would have been the optimal decision in this instance? Letting him go this summer for 4-5m pounds cause he has a year left on his contract, or "protecting his value" as some have said? Or a third option? Let us into the mind of Ross.
[/quote]
I'm being a bit facetious, and you probably are too.
Firstly whether it's a good deal obviously depends on how long it is and for how much it is for. If he's being paid less than 50k a week - which is plenty of money for what should be a 4th choice central midfielder then it's not a bad deal. Particularly bearing in mind his superb record with injuries and his age - he should improve during the course the contract.
I have trouble trying to accurately gauge what skill set he actually has - he just screams average. Physical talents - none, ball skills - completely average, passing - average, reading the game defensively - poor, tackling not bad but we know he is prone to giving away silly fouls around our box. His workrate is good though.
Are there any regular Premiership midfielders that can't do all of that ? I'd be willing to be most of them can, so I don't see why we'd make any real fuss over tying him up on a deal unless it's at a cheap price. He is easily replaceable. He's an average, always fit midfielder. They have a place in a squad, but how much value you can get out of them is debatable.
I don't see the "protecting his value" argument. He doesn't really have any because nobody wants to buy him, and if we do decide in a couple of years time to sell him the likely scenario (IMO) is - midtable European club wants him, willing to offer 5m, but can't match his 50k a week wages. Liverpool end up paying 15-20k a week for him to play elsewhere for the remaining three years he would have on his deal with us. Meaning of the 5 million we received, about 2.5m to 3m is owed to him.
I would have held off on the contract deal and hoped for a £5m this summer. I didn't think there was any real fear of him being targeted by a better club on a Bosman so he would have most likely been happy to sign whenever we did offer it to him.
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not THAT facetious, I was genuinely interested in your response. Reading over your post, I have to agree. Flogging him for 5m seems to be way more probable than any potential money we gain from protecting his very average value. My only other worry would be that we take a big hit in depth, as we already need a DM, and now we will need another backup CM/DM.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44498.msg1307920#msg1307920 date=1301502934]
.......Somewhere on another forum, someone is stabbing their red, staring eyes out with a fork....
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I've bookmarked the thread.
He hasn't appeared yet.
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'Lucas will be playing for another club in 2 years time'
His quote every year since 2007.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44498.msg1307920#msg1307920 date=1301502934]
.......Somewhere on another forum, someone is stabbing their red, staring eyes out with a fork....
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I've bookmarked the thread.
He hasn't appeared yet.
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'Lucas will be playing for another club in 2 years time'
His quote every year since 2007.
Liverpool's Brazilian midfielder Lucas Leiva has signed a new long-term deal at the club.
The 24-year-old, signed from Gremio for £5m in 2007, has been rewarded for his impressive displays this season.
Lucas has taken on more responsibility since the departures of Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano and played his 100th league game for the Reds in February.
Much-maligned by fans in the early part of his career on Merseyside, Lucas has become Liverpool's first choice holding midfielder, sitting in front of the back four and allowing the likes of Steven Gerrard and Raul Meireles to burst forward.
He has played 40 times for the club this season and started for Brazil against Scotland at the Emirates on Sunday.
"He is a smashing lad to have around the football club but he hasn't been signed for that, he has been signed because of what he does on the pitch," added Dalglish.
"He's happy to be here and play for the club and he's getting everything that he deserves at the moment - including being a fixture in the Brazilian team - because of what he's done on the pitch."
Director of football Damien Comolli conducted the contract negotiations, revealing holding on to Lucas was a priority for him when he joined the club in November.
"One of the first things I did after I arrived was to look at the contract situation and to see where Lucas was at," said the Frenchman.
"I knew we had to do something quickly because we couldn't afford to lose him and didn't want to lose him.
"He could have gone to many clubs because he is highly rated around Europe, but he always said he wanted to play for Liverpool."
The 24-year-old, signed from Gremio for £5m in 2007, has been rewarded for his impressive displays this season.
Lucas has taken on more responsibility since the departures of Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano and played his 100th league game for the Reds in February.
Much-maligned by fans in the early part of his career on Merseyside, Lucas has become Liverpool's first choice holding midfielder, sitting in front of the back four and allowing the likes of Steven Gerrard and Raul Meireles to burst forward.
He has played 40 times for the club this season and started for Brazil against Scotland at the Emirates on Sunday.
"He is a smashing lad to have around the football club but he hasn't been signed for that, he has been signed because of what he does on the pitch," added Dalglish.
"He's happy to be here and play for the club and he's getting everything that he deserves at the moment - including being a fixture in the Brazilian team - because of what he's done on the pitch."
Director of football Damien Comolli conducted the contract negotiations, revealing holding on to Lucas was a priority for him when he joined the club in November.
"One of the first things I did after I arrived was to look at the contract situation and to see where Lucas was at," said the Frenchman.
"I knew we had to do something quickly because we couldn't afford to lose him and didn't want to lose him.
"He could have gone to many clubs because he is highly rated around Europe, but he always said he wanted to play for Liverpool."
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1308005#msg1308005 date=1301517273]
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=44498.msg1307939#msg1307939 date=1301506330]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1307915#msg1307915 date=1301502460]
I'd like to withdraw my numerous comments about how a Director of Football would mean we would make less blatantly stupid decisions.
[/quote]
I was firmly in that camp as well, but elaborate for me, what would have been the optimal decision in this instance? Letting him go this summer for 4-5m pounds cause he has a year left on his contract, or "protecting his value" as some have said? Or a third option? Let us into the mind of Ross.
[/quote]
I'm being a bit facetious, and you probably are too.
Firstly whether it's a good deal obviously depends on how long it is and for how much it is for. If he's being paid less than 50k a week - which is plenty of money for what should be a 4th choice central midfielder then it's not a bad deal. Particularly bearing in mind his superb record with injuries and his age - he should improve during the course the contract.
I have trouble trying to accurately gauge what skill set he actually has - he just screams average. Physical talents - none, ball skills - completely average, passing - average, reading the game defensively - poor, tackling not bad but we know he is prone to giving away silly fouls around our box. His workrate is good though.
Are there any regular Premiership midfielders that can't do all of that ? I'd be willing to be most of them can, so I don't see why we'd make any real fuss over tying him up on a deal unless it's at a cheap price. He is easily replaceable. He's an average, always fit midfielder. They have a place in a squad, but how much value you can get out of them is debatable.
I don't see the "protecting his value" argument. He doesn't really have any because nobody wants to buy him, and if we do decide in a couple of years time to sell him the likely scenario (IMO) is - midtable European club wants him, willing to offer 5m, but can't match his 50k a week wages. Liverpool end up paying 15-20k a week for him to play elsewhere for the remaining three years he would have on his deal with us. Meaning of the 5 million we received, about 2.5m to 3m is owed to him.
I would have held off on the contract deal and hoped for a £5m this summer. I didn't think there was any real fear of him being targeted by a better club on a Bosman so he would have most likely been happy to sign whenever we did offer it to him.
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You're a stats man Rosco. Here's a few for you:
- 100 Liverpool games
- 11 Brazil Caps
- Youngest player ever to win the Bola de Ouro
- LFC Young Player of the Year 2010
Not bad for an "average midfielder with a limited skill set'.
You better get used to him too, cos he's gonna be around for a while.
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=44498.msg1307939#msg1307939 date=1301506330]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1307915#msg1307915 date=1301502460]
I'd like to withdraw my numerous comments about how a Director of Football would mean we would make less blatantly stupid decisions.
[/quote]
I was firmly in that camp as well, but elaborate for me, what would have been the optimal decision in this instance? Letting him go this summer for 4-5m pounds cause he has a year left on his contract, or "protecting his value" as some have said? Or a third option? Let us into the mind of Ross.
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I'm being a bit facetious, and you probably are too.
Firstly whether it's a good deal obviously depends on how long it is and for how much it is for. If he's being paid less than 50k a week - which is plenty of money for what should be a 4th choice central midfielder then it's not a bad deal. Particularly bearing in mind his superb record with injuries and his age - he should improve during the course the contract.
I have trouble trying to accurately gauge what skill set he actually has - he just screams average. Physical talents - none, ball skills - completely average, passing - average, reading the game defensively - poor, tackling not bad but we know he is prone to giving away silly fouls around our box. His workrate is good though.
Are there any regular Premiership midfielders that can't do all of that ? I'd be willing to be most of them can, so I don't see why we'd make any real fuss over tying him up on a deal unless it's at a cheap price. He is easily replaceable. He's an average, always fit midfielder. They have a place in a squad, but how much value you can get out of them is debatable.
I don't see the "protecting his value" argument. He doesn't really have any because nobody wants to buy him, and if we do decide in a couple of years time to sell him the likely scenario (IMO) is - midtable European club wants him, willing to offer 5m, but can't match his 50k a week wages. Liverpool end up paying 15-20k a week for him to play elsewhere for the remaining three years he would have on his deal with us. Meaning of the 5 million we received, about 2.5m to 3m is owed to him.
I would have held off on the contract deal and hoped for a £5m this summer. I didn't think there was any real fear of him being targeted by a better club on a Bosman so he would have most likely been happy to sign whenever we did offer it to him.
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You're a stats man Rosco. Here's a few for you:
- 100 Liverpool games
- 11 Brazil Caps
- Youngest player ever to win the Bola de Ouro
- LFC Young Player of the Year 2010
Not bad for an "average midfielder with a limited skill set'.
You better get used to him too, cos he's gonna be around for a while.
Lucas is shite. This "we need a squad" business can fuck off. He's shite.
S
Squiggles
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He's never going to play a key role in any title winning team we have, granted. But he's useful to have around and highly reliable.
I hope he doesn't feature as much next season.
I hope he doesn't feature as much next season.
He played 25 times in the league in the season where we finished just short of winning the bugger.
I'd say that's a fair old contribution to a side.
A side which contained Mascherano, Alonso and Mr Gerrard - HE PLAYED 25 TIMES IN A MIDFIELD WITH THOSE THREE!
It's a squad game, he's good enough for our squad, gives this club his all and has scope for getting better.
I'd say that's a fair old contribution to a side.
A side which contained Mascherano, Alonso and Mr Gerrard - HE PLAYED 25 TIMES IN A MIDFIELD WITH THOSE THREE!
It's a squad game, he's good enough for our squad, gives this club his all and has scope for getting better.
S
Squiggles
Guest
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44498.msg1308068#msg1308068 date=1301527182]
He played 25 times in the league in the season where we finished just short of winning the bugger.
I'd say that's a fair old contribution to a side.
A side which contained Mascherano, Alonso and Mr Gerrard - HE PLAYED 25 TIMES IN A MIDFIELD WITH THOSE THREE!
It's a squad game, he's good enough for our squad, gives this club his all and has scope for getting better.
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So the less he plays, the closer Liverpool FC are to winning the league, and the more he features, the more Liverpool slide down the table?
He played 25 times in the league in the season where we finished just short of winning the bugger.
I'd say that's a fair old contribution to a side.
A side which contained Mascherano, Alonso and Mr Gerrard - HE PLAYED 25 TIMES IN A MIDFIELD WITH THOSE THREE!
It's a squad game, he's good enough for our squad, gives this club his all and has scope for getting better.
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So the less he plays, the closer Liverpool FC are to winning the league, and the more he features, the more Liverpool slide down the table?
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44498.msg1308072#msg1308072 date=1301529420]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44498.msg1308068#msg1308068 date=1301527182]
He played 25 times in the league in the season where we finished just short of winning the bugger.
I'd say that's a fair old contribution to a side.
A side which contained Mascherano, Alonso and Mr Gerrard - HE PLAYED 25 TIMES IN A MIDFIELD WITH THOSE THREE!
It's a squad game, he's good enough for our squad, gives this club his all and has scope for getting better.
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So the less he plays, the closer Liverpool FC are to winning the league, and the more he features, the more Liverpool slide down the table?
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Ha!
Actually, he played less the season before that and we finished well off the pace. Rafa picked him more and we nearly won it.
He won't feature as much next season but I'm glad he's planning on being here. Kenny's comments were very pointed but our DF sounded like he was setting up a shop window.
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44498.msg1308068#msg1308068 date=1301527182]
He played 25 times in the league in the season where we finished just short of winning the bugger.
I'd say that's a fair old contribution to a side.
A side which contained Mascherano, Alonso and Mr Gerrard - HE PLAYED 25 TIMES IN A MIDFIELD WITH THOSE THREE!
It's a squad game, he's good enough for our squad, gives this club his all and has scope for getting better.
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So the less he plays, the closer Liverpool FC are to winning the league, and the more he features, the more Liverpool slide down the table?
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Ha!
Actually, he played less the season before that and we finished well off the pace. Rafa picked him more and we nearly won it.
He won't feature as much next season but I'm glad he's planning on being here. Kenny's comments were very pointed but our DF sounded like he was setting up a shop window.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1308054#msg1308054 date=1301524722]
Here's the stat I care about Ryan, if he plays for the next five years as a regular for us it'll be 25 years without winning the league.
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Hmmm.... that's like saying, with Michael Owen/Robbie Fowler/Fernando Torres leading the attack for the next five years, we're sure to win the league - It doesn't quite work like that.
A team's the sum of it's parts and there's not reason why he can't play a part. If O'Shea, Brown, May, Carrick, Butt, Phil Neville and Alan Smith can do it....
Here's the stat I care about Ryan, if he plays for the next five years as a regular for us it'll be 25 years without winning the league.
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Hmmm.... that's like saying, with Michael Owen/Robbie Fowler/Fernando Torres leading the attack for the next five years, we're sure to win the league - It doesn't quite work like that.
A team's the sum of it's parts and there's not reason why he can't play a part. If O'Shea, Brown, May, Carrick, Butt, Phil Neville and Alan Smith can do it....
I really hope he gets nowhere near the £80k/wk doc mentioned. "Protecting the value" is all good but if you give a 5 year contract with huge wages it actually has a reverse effect. I was hoping for a 3 year deal with something like £5k/wk raise. I really really hope we are not stuck with him now.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=44498.msg1308072#msg1308072 date=1301529420]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44498.msg1308068#msg1308068 date=1301527182]
He played 25 times in the league in the season where we finished just short of winning the bugger.
I'd say that's a fair old contribution to a side.
A side which contained Mascherano, Alonso and Mr Gerrard - HE PLAYED 25 TIMES IN A MIDFIELD WITH THOSE THREE!
It's a squad game, he's good enough for our squad, gives this club his all and has scope for getting better.
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So the less he plays, the closer Liverpool FC are to winning the league, and the more he features, the more Liverpool slide down the table?
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ha ha
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44498.msg1308068#msg1308068 date=1301527182]
He played 25 times in the league in the season where we finished just short of winning the bugger.
I'd say that's a fair old contribution to a side.
A side which contained Mascherano, Alonso and Mr Gerrard - HE PLAYED 25 TIMES IN A MIDFIELD WITH THOSE THREE!
It's a squad game, he's good enough for our squad, gives this club his all and has scope for getting better.
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So the less he plays, the closer Liverpool FC are to winning the league, and the more he features, the more Liverpool slide down the table?
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ha ha
I hope lucas is fucked off in the summer, I don't think he is as bad as some people make out, he is just 'meh'. unfortunately in this league 'meh' just isn't going to cut it.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44498.msg1308120#msg1308120 date=1301556094]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1308054#msg1308054 date=1301524722]
Here's the stat I care about Ryan, if he plays for the next five years as a regular for us it'll be 25 years without winning the league.
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Hmmm.... that's like saying, with Michael Owen/Robbie Fowler/Fernando Torres leading the attack for the next five years, we're sure to win the league - It doesn't quite work like that.
A team's the sum of it's parts and there's not reason why he can't play a part. If O'Shea, Brown, May, Carrick, Butt, Phil Neville and Alan Smith can do it....
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I don't think it is, no one player can guarantee success. It's a lot more like the time I said we would never win anything worth Crouch laughing up front regularly. And we didn't.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1308054#msg1308054 date=1301524722]
Here's the stat I care about Ryan, if he plays for the next five years as a regular for us it'll be 25 years without winning the league.
[/quote]
Hmmm.... that's like saying, with Michael Owen/Robbie Fowler/Fernando Torres leading the attack for the next five years, we're sure to win the league - It doesn't quite work like that.
A team's the sum of it's parts and there's not reason why he can't play a part. If O'Shea, Brown, May, Carrick, Butt, Phil Neville and Alan Smith can do it....
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I don't think it is, no one player can guarantee success. It's a lot more like the time I said we would never win anything worth Crouch laughing up front regularly. And we didn't.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1308145#msg1308145 date=1301559163]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44498.msg1308120#msg1308120 date=1301556094]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44498.msg1308054#msg1308054 date=1301524722]
Here's the stat I care about Ryan, if he plays for the next five years as a regular for us it'll be 25 years without winning the league.
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Hmmm.... that's like saying, with Michael Owen/Robbie Fowler/Fernando Torres leading the attack for the next five years, we're sure to win the league - It doesn't quite work like that.
A team's the sum of it's parts and there's not reason why he can't play a part. If O'Shea, Brown, May, Carrick, Butt, Phil Neville and Alan Smith can do it....
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I don't think it is, no one player can guarantee success. It's a lot more like the time I said we would never win anything worth Crouch laughing up front regularly. And we didn't.
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I think I'm trying to convince myself here Rosco, anyway... And regards Crouch, we'd have been alot better set up if he'd figured against Milan. We were never going to win that game with a manager set on scoring points with his players, not because Crouch was in the squad.
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Here's the stat I care about Ryan, if he plays for the next five years as a regular for us it'll be 25 years without winning the league.
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Hmmm.... that's like saying, with Michael Owen/Robbie Fowler/Fernando Torres leading the attack for the next five years, we're sure to win the league - It doesn't quite work like that.
A team's the sum of it's parts and there's not reason why he can't play a part. If O'Shea, Brown, May, Carrick, Butt, Phil Neville and Alan Smith can do it....
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I don't think it is, no one player can guarantee success. It's a lot more like the time I said we would never win anything worth Crouch laughing up front regularly. And we didn't.
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I think I'm trying to convince myself here Rosco, anyway... And regards Crouch, we'd have been alot better set up if he'd figured against Milan. We were never going to win that game with a manager set on scoring points with his players, not because Crouch was in the squad.
one person can guarantee success but lucas plays in argubly the most important area of the pitch, the midfield and as long as this area is weak we'll struggle. I'm struggling to think of any success liverpool has had, league or a cup competition where the CM was weak/poor.
I highly doubt that last bit. They're admittedly pretty threadbare in midfield by their standards, but Lucas wouldn't get anywhere near any of the sides currently above us.
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