France V Rep of Ireland - part deux

[irishred]

Sunny's already mentioned the footage when he went over to console Dunne and Dunne seemed very dignified...I wouldn't have been able to withhold from confronting him about it.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=37257.msg992017#msg992017 date=1258593703]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37257.msg991991#msg991991 date=1258592475]

From The Times November 19, 2009

Thierry Henry is an insincere cheat who has tarnished his reputation for good
Tony Cascarino, Commentary

Would you have owned up? In front of 80,000 fans and millions more on television, would you have confessed to handball and wiped out the goal that was sending your nation to the World Cup finals?

It’s a matter of conscience. Don’t think I’m ducking the question when I say that it would never have been an issue for me — because I wasn’t a cheat. In that split second last night when the ball dropped for Thierry Henry, tantalisingly close but just out of range of his feet, it would never have occurred to me to stick out my hand and guide it back into my control. I wasn’t that devious.

I’m no angel, but I know that I wouldn’t have done what he did. And if the roles had been reversed and Ireland had reached South Africa in such a dubious way, would I have been delighted at victory? Of course. Would I have felt it was tainted? Absolutely.

Henry can say what he likes. No doubt he will plead his innocence. But to me, that handball was pure, calculated cheating. Accidental? He handballed it to keep it in, then slightly knocked it again to get it nicely on his right foot.


It’s tarnished his reputation for good. Like Diego Maradona, when we reflect in years to come on the career of one of the finest strikers the game has known, we will have to put his handball against Ireland right up there with all the great goals he scored.

What a tragic missed opportunity. What a chance to be a hero Henry had — not to his home country but to the whole game. Cheating in all its guises is slowly killing football and if Henry had held his hands up again and admitted to the referee that he had handled the ball and the goal should not stand, he would have earned the admiration of the entire sporting world.

But he didn’t. He knew that he had done wrong, but he put self-interest ahead of justice. He could have been a beacon of integrity; instead he shined shame on himself and on football.

Cheating in football is commonplace now because the authorities cheat us all by their spineless failure to punish the perpetrators. Will Sepp Blatter, the Fifa president, or Michel Platini, the Frenchman who is his Uefa counterpart, condemn Henry, or float the idea that the tie should be replayed? Of course not. They will turn a blind eye, and another piece of football’s credibility, another little part of its soul, will quietly die.

The injustice is made worse by the teams’ performances. Ireland were so much better than France. Raymond Domenech’s players have hearts the size of peas. But then, Henry is their captain. Handball aside, he showed no leadership qualities. He speaks so eloquently, but to me now he’ll always be insincere, a faker, someone who cares only about himself.

I’m gutted for Ireland and for football.

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Its easy to say, but put in this situation you are playing for your country. Your hopes of getting to the World Cup Finals are up in the air. You have the opportunity to gain a goal unfairly. Do you take that opportunity? I know we don't really have an affinty with the national side her in Liverpool.

But if you had the chance to score in extra time champions leauge final against united to take lead but he you to cheat. Would you do it?
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Probably. iIthink the issue here though is the officials and the lack of technology. Having said that, Henry was always accepted as a gentleman of sport, by me included, now I see him as the guy who got France to the WC finals by cheating.

 

[ILD]

A few points:

-Lassanna Diarra got away with some blatant fouls today. How did he go so long without being booked? Was he even?
-Alou Diarra his namesake does nothing of real note. Lass seems to marshal the defence, link up play etc. Maybe Alou Diarra is doing selfless work off the ball but I didnt notice it. Captain of his club too, god he has come a long way from the time he was on our book.
-The French keeper was excellent in two games. Perhaps a move from Lyon to a 'bigger' club could be on the cards after the World Cup.
-Whelan is better than I had previously given him credit for. Did well over the two games and it was pity to lose him to injury.
-Same goes for Lawerence.

 

[Ryan]

The disappointment will subside over time, the anger over what Henry did might take a touch longer. I've had enough of this "he did what he did to get his side to South-Africa" shite. He, and all footballers for that matter, aren't fucking robots. They're not fucking well programmed to cheat, and defy all known morals. He made a conscious decision to cheat and handle that ball. Fair enough, others have done it in the past and will continue to get away with it in the future. To fucking run away celebrating, to smile like that after the final whistle, and to lie about not meaning to intentionally handle it fucking hurts though. You know you're a cheat Henry. There's a difference between doing what's required to get your team through, and then not having the fucking balls to fucking own up to it afterwards.

Henry, for the rest of my life, I'll look upon you as a cheating, lying cunt. It'll mean little to him, but he's lost the respect of me and many many others tonight. It's not just Irish fans, but every right-minded football fan should be appalled by that. At least Fowler had the good grace to admit he dived.

The performances of Andrews, Whelan, St. Ledger, Liam fucking Lawrence, Doyle, and the quite fantastic Duff merited so much more.

Yes, we should have buried them, yes we had chances, and yes the game shouldn't have gone to extra time. But there is solace to be taken in the fact that it took two cuntish goals to beat us, because over 210 minutes, the cream of French Football couldn't create one chance against us. There is also solace to be taken in the pride of supporting Ireland again. For there's been fuck all of it to shout about for a long long time. That performance tonight has reawoken the pride, satisfaction, poy and pain that your Country could and should give you in me. I'd forgotten it even existed to be honest. Years of hurt, shit, and fucking rubbish offered up by a collection of under-achievers. We've lost tonight, but we've gained so so much. If anything, we've restored a tiny bit of pride to Irish football.

I know the joy the World Cup would have brought to me and many others, but I take immense satisfaction in being able to look at that image of Duff above and still be immensely proud. I doubt any French supporter could look at the picture of Henry and feel the same way.

 

[irishred]

The crossing from out wide from both Lawrence and Duff, whether that be using their right or left foot, was a pleasure to watch....That was until McGeady came on. It was just amazing to see the basics of football performed so admirably.

 

[Ryan]

Post-Math analysis on fifa.com...

"France skipper Thierry Henry won the match for the hosts when his angled pass amid a goalmouth scramble was met by the head of Wiliam Gallas."

 

[gene hughes]

I have to admit, Henry will always be a cheat to me now.

 

[gene hughes]

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What the fuck is a home nation ?
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if you read carefully, I said home nations. Which when I last checked meant Scotland, Northern Ireland, England and Wales. Ive only included Rep of Ireland, as they well supported by people within the British Isles.
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Don't include us. We're fine on our own.
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*bites tongue*

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37257.msg992024#msg992024 date=1258594523]
The disappointment will subside over time, the anger over what Henry did might take a touch longer. I've had enough of this "he did what he did to get his side to South-Africa" shite. He, and all footballers for that matter, aren't fucking robots. They're not fucking well programmed to cheat, and defy all known morals. He made a conscious decision to cheat and handle that ball. Fair enough, others have done it in the past and will continue to get away with it in the future. To fucking run away celebrating, to smile like that after the final whistle, and to lie about not meaning to intentionally handle it fucking hurts though. You know you're a cheat Henry. There's a difference between doing what's required to get your team through, and then not having the fucking balls to fucking own up to it afterwards.

Henry, for the rest of my life, I'll look upon you as a cheating, lying cunt. It'll mean little to him, but he's lost the respect of me and many many others tonight. It's not just Irish fans, but every right-minded football fan should be appalled by that. At least Fowler had the good grace to admit he dived.

The performances of Andrews, Whelan, St. Ledger, Liam fucking Lawrence, Doyle, and the quite fantastic Duff merited so much more.

Yes, we should have buried them, yes we had chances, and yes the game shouldn't have gone to extra time. But there is solace to be taken in the fact that it took two cuntish goals to beat us, because over 210 minutes, the cream of French Football couldn't create one chance against us. There is also solace to be taken in the pride of supporting Ireland again. For there's been fuck all of it to shout about for a long long time. That performance tonight has reawoken the pride, satisfaction, poy and pain that your Country could and should give you in me. I'd forgotten it even existed to be honest. Years of hurt, shit, and fucking rubbish offered up by a collection of under-achievers. We've lost tonight, but we've gained so so much. If anything, we've restored a tiny bit of pride to Irish football.

I know the joy the World Cup would have brought to me and many others, but I take immense satisfaction in being able to look at that image of Duff above and still be immensely proud. I doubt any French supporter could look at the picture of Henry and feel the same way.
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Ryan. I just want to hold you close right now mate.

 

[Ryan]

Thanks Sanchez. Ross ignored me earlier, and I've been left hanging here like a lost puppy.

 

[Farkmaster]

They can stop incidents like this happening a month from now, forever, if they'd implement basic video replay. It happens again and again and again, and nothing is done. The governing bodies of football are neolithic.

On a side note, how long have they been "testing" goal line technology now. What a fucking farce.

 

[irishred]

Look at the simultaneous appeals...Squillaci is offside aswell and possibly handballed it himself. This goal is a total piss-take.

Ireland V France - Henry Cheat - Handball

Seeing as Henry is getting his character assassinated...here are some positive things to remember him by:

11-02-2007 Henry Cheating Diver

Henry Dives like a woman

Henry diving to win penalty

Henry playacting....again (vs PSV)

 

[Mistadobalina]

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Look at the simultaneous appeals...Squillaci is offside aswell and possibly handballed it himself. This goal is a total piss-take.
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Im not even Irish but watching that has made me quite mad!

 

[darkstarexodus]

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[quote author=irishred link=topic=37257.msg992049#msg992049 date=1258604603]
Look at the simultaneous appeals...Squillaci is offside aswell and possibly handballed it himself. This goal is a total piss-take.
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Im not even Irish but watching that has made me quite mad!
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I wouldn't say I'm personally angry about it but having just finally watched the clip I feel really sorry for all you Paddies out there (incl. Paddy).

 

[irishred]

Richard Dunne said last night that Thierry Henry had privately owned up to cheating after a blatant handball from the France striker set up the goal that eliminated the Republic of Ireland in the World Cup Finals play-off in Paris.

In an incident reminiscent of Diego Maradona's infamous "Hand of God" handball against England in the 1986 World Cup finals, Henry controlled a free-kick into the Ireland area twice with his hand and cut it back to William Gallas for the decisive extra-time equaliser that made the game 2-1 on aggregate to France.

The goal meant that France qualified for the World Cup finals next summer in South Africa at the expense of Ireland. Dunne, the Aston Villa and Ireland defender, said that Henry confessed to the "Hand of Frog" incident when the France captain sat next to him on the Stade de France turf at the final whistle – and said that Henry had claimed he had not meant to do it.

Dunne said: "He told us we deserved to win. How is that supposed to make me feel? It makes me feel worse. He's admitted he cheated. We should have won. He just said, 'That's it'. He just said he handled it, he didn't mean it. Looking at it, it's quite obvious he did mean it. It's there for everyone to see and they're not going to change it now. So what can we do? They're going to the World Cup and we're not. That's it."

Dunne said that the Swedish referee Martin Hansson also missed the fact that Henry was offside in the build-up to the goal. Until the France goal went in, Ireland, who lost the first leg 1-0 at Croke Park last week, were back in the tie. Robbie Keane had scored to give them a 1-0 lead on the night and take it into extra time at 1-1.

Dunne said: "The referee said he was 100 per cent that he didn't handle it and then Henry came and told us that he did. I think it's quite blatant we were cheated. It's not a difficult one to see, so that's the annoying thing.

"The linesman is in line with it and he should give offside to start with. Surely one of them can see it that he's handled it, everyone else has seen it. It's one of those that wouldn't even need a replay.

"At the stage of the game and the way it was going, it's the biggest decision I've ever suffered. We deserved to win the game, we could have scored a couple of more goals. It's one of those things. It gives them a lift and knocks the stuffing out of us. To give big decisions on that in big games is wrong. [Michel] Platini wants France there."

Giovanni Trappatoni's assistant Liam Brady also suggested there had been a conspiracy. Ireland were originally angry that countries had been seeded in the play-offs, meaning that none of the bigger nations such as France and Portugal risked drawing one another. Claiming it had been "a bad day for football", Brady said: "When it comes to the crunch, the big teams always seem to go through. With the draw, they were wanting Portugal and France to go through and they did. That's all that has to be said."

Robbie Keane said that it was typical of the decisions that go in favour of what he said were the bigger football countries. "It was an easy decision to do the seedings, wasn't it? They're all probably on the phone to Sepp Blatter [Fifa president] now, texting each other over the result. France and Germany are massive countries. There's no way in a million years there was going to be a fair draw. And it wasn't!"

Keane added: "There's no question or doubt in my mind, we won that game. The handball was so obvious. We've seen the replays, but we knew anyway from the reaction of the players."

Before then the referee had been excellent, correctly identifying that Nicolas Anelka had dived when he had attempted to take the ball around Given.

 

[Y1]

Hmm, commiserations to the Irish.

On a side note, 2 French players suddenly on the top of the 'cheat' list.

 

[Bazza The Kopite]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37257.msg992029#msg992029 date=1258597251]
Post-Math analysis on fifa.com...

"France skipper Thierry Henry won the match for the hosts when his angled pass amid a goalmouth scramble was met by the head of Wiliam Gallas."
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What a fuckin joke. All those cunts will be fuckin delighted.

 

[spider-Neil]

henry was robbed by the hand of handchoz, has finally got his own back.

keane showed exactly why he was fuked off asap by rafa, what chance to kill the game.

 

[DHSC]

I would rather have Ireland through than France.

Ah well.

Hope you guys qualify for Euro 2012.

 

[Jack D Rips]

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henry was robbed by the hand of handchoz, has finally got his own back.

keane showed exactly why he was fuked off asap by rafa, what chance to kill the game.
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Let me see if can work out your logic here Neil.

Henry was cheated years ago by a Henchoz handball and he gets his own back by cheating Ireland. ???

 

[KopKing]

I wanted France to win and am happy they have got through even though the goal was tainted. By next summer most people will have forgotten. Tough on the Irish tho', they played well, but at no time during the match did I feel that France would lose.

 

[DHSC]

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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=37257.msg992075#msg992075 date=1258614532]
henry was robbed by the hand of handchoz, has finally got his own back.

keane showed exactly why he was fuked off asap by rafa, what chance to kill the game.
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Let me see if can work out your logic here Neil.

Henry was cheated years ago by a Henchoz handball and he gets his own back by cheating Ireland. ???
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Well Switzerland was neutral during WWII and I think Ireland was too?

 

[Jack D Rips]

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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=37257.msg992075#msg992075 date=1258614532]
henry was robbed by the hand of handchoz, has finally got his own back.

keane showed exactly why he was fuked off asap by rafa, what chance to kill the game.
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Let me see if can work out your logic here Neil.

Henry was cheated years ago by a Henchoz handball and he gets his own back by cheating Ireland. ???
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Well Switzerland was neutral during WWII and I think Ireland was too?


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Ah I see now. So obvious really. On planet Neil

 

[DHSC]

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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=37257.msg992075#msg992075 date=1258614532]
henry was robbed by the hand of handchoz, has finally got his own back.

keane showed exactly why he was fuked off asap by rafa, what chance to kill the game.
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Let me see if can work out your logic here Neil.

Henry was cheated years ago by a Henchoz handball and he gets his own back by cheating Ireland. ???
[/quote]

Well Switzerland was neutral during WWII and I think Ireland was too?


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Ah I see now. So obvious really. On planet Neil
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I would love to visit planet Neil.

On a side note, does Ireland have an Armed Forces? If so, how big is it?

 

[keniget]

Domanech doesn't deserve to be in a job. If nothing else, Ireland needed to qualify so as to force the French FA into sacking him.

Lassana Diarra's performance should make those advocating him as a Masher replacement think twice - headless chicken act once again.

But then again, he was playing next to the invisible Alou Diarra. I wasn't convinced he existed when he was on our books and I'm still not convinced now. A mythical creature is Alou.

 

[Jack D Rips]

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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=37257.msg992075#msg992075 date=1258614532]
henry was robbed by the hand of handchoz, has finally got his own back.

keane showed exactly why he was fuked off asap by rafa, what chance to kill the game.
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Let me see if can work out your logic here Neil.

Henry was cheated years ago by a Henchoz handball and he gets his own back by cheating Ireland. ???
[/quote]

Well Switzerland was neutral during WWII and I think Ireland was too?


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Ah I see now. So obvious really. On planet Neil
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I would love to visit planet Neil.

On a side note, does Ireland have an Armed Forces? If so, how big is it?
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About 9000 regular and 13000 reserve. Many of them serve with the UN force is various countries abroad

 

[TheBunnyman]

I haven't read the thread, but... that was wrong. France were shit, Ireland were great, and Henry's handball was blatant. The result should not be allowed to stand IMO.

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37257.msg992024#msg992024 date=1258594523]
The disappointment will subside over time, the anger over what Henry did might take a touch longer. I've had enough of this "he did what he did to get his side to South-Africa" shite. He, and all footballers for that matter, aren't fucking robots. They're not fucking well programmed to cheat, and defy all known morals. He made a conscious decision to cheat and handle that ball. Fair enough, others have done it in the past and will continue to get away with it in the future. To fucking run away celebrating, to smile like that after the final whistle, and to lie about not meaning to intentionally handle it fucking hurts though. You know you're a cheat Henry. There's a difference between doing what's required to get your team through, and then not having the fucking balls to fucking own up to it afterwards.

Henry, for the rest of my life, I'll look upon you as a cheating, lying cunt. It'll mean little to him, but he's lost the respect of me and many many others tonight. It's not just Irish fans, but every right-minded football fan should be appalled by that. At least Fowler had the good grace to admit he dived.

The performances of Andrews, Whelan, St. Ledger, Liam fucking Lawrence, Doyle, and the quite fantastic Duff merited so much more.

Yes, we should have buried them, yes we had chances, and yes the game shouldn't have gone to extra time. But there is solace to be taken in the fact that it took two cuntish goals to beat us, because over 210 minutes, the cream of French Football couldn't create one chance against us. There is also solace to be taken in the pride of supporting Ireland again. For there's been fuck all of it to shout about for a long long time. That performance tonight has reawoken the pride, satisfaction, poy and pain that your Country could and should give you in me. I'd forgotten it even existed to be honest. Years of hurt, shit, and fucking rubbish offered up by a collection of under-achievers. We've lost tonight, but we've gained so so much. If anything, we've restored a tiny bit of pride to Irish football.

I know the joy the World Cup would have brought to me and many others, but I take immense satisfaction in being able to look at that image of Duff above and still be immensely proud. I doubt any French supporter could look at the picture of Henry and feel the same way.
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Superb post Ryan.

Totally devastating way to lose especially having played so well. Henry can go fuck himself. The only plus is that there are real signs of progress now under Trap and I know he's not a young man but hopefully he will stay around long enough for the Euro's and one more tilt at the World Cup.

 

[mr_moo]

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[quote author=mr_moo link=topic=37257.msg991876#msg991876 date=1258587970]

fuck off, just because I wasn't supporting the Irish.
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Not that I want any sympathy or anything just don't want to have to read that crap after we were obviously beaten by a gesture of overt cheating.
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mr moo s obviously a racist. His comments throughout the thread confirm that.
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care to try and explain again, as I for one don't believe my comments are or have been racist.

 

[spider-Neil]

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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=37257.msg992075#msg992075 date=1258614532]
henry was robbed by the hand of handchoz, has finally got his own back.

keane showed exactly why he was fuked off asap by rafa, what chance to kill the game.
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Let me see if can work out your logic here Neil.

Henry was cheated years ago by a Henchoz handball and he gets his own back by cheating Ireland. ???
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no, I'm saying henry is probably thinking 'yeah, I cheated but fuck it I was robbed years ago by someone else who cheated'. two wrongs don't make a right though.