Fabregas

[localny]

A) he's not exactly 'old'
B) he was a very good footballer in the PL
C) not making the cut at barca? Surely that gives him plenty to prove
D) mooted £30m release clause - similar value to Lallana, albeit higher wages

He's better than just about every midfield option we have and by all accounts has show good ability and desire at Barcelona , don't let the second bite of the cherry thing mystify just how capable he is.

i just don't see it. He's been in this league. He's coming back, that has to be disappointing, especially coming from Barca. We'll have to disagree, this kind of player comes back and lights up on occasion, but having played with Arsenal his heart wouldn't be in it, and I don't see the hunger either.

 

[C/O]

I have to disagree Localny, he's a professional. I think he'll have around 150,000 reasons to perform.

 

[superchimp]

City have just pulled out the race to sign him...Looks like we do realistically have a chance of landing this guy..

Us or Arsenal IMO.

 

[737Max]

I think he'll join the chavs. His mrs wants to live in London apparently

 

[Skullflower]

it's the kind of signing that we just never go all in for and i'll never understand why.

 

[hmmmmm1]

You'll have to excuse me if, for some reason, I don't believe that Fabregas was an essential focal point or driving force in either of those teams.

To be fair he is competing with Xavi and Inesta/

Fàbregas ended the 12/13 season with 14 goals and 12 assists in 48 appearances in all competitions.

 

[juniormember]

You'll have to excuse me if, for some reason, I don't believe that Fabregas was an essential focal point or driving force in either of those teams.

I thought they consistently used him as a forward (false 9) at the world cup and won?

 

[ibromurph]

I thought they consistently used him as a forward (false 9) at the world cup and won?

Didn't he set up the winner in the final? And play in most games (albeit coming from the bench).

 

[Mors]

Sky reporting that Barca want rid of Fabregas (god knows why) and want to replace him with Koke, but Chelski also want Koke. You'd presume that Barca want Chelski to buy Koke for them, with the money from flogging them Cesc. Not sure where Cesc is going to go if Chelski don't buy him. Not many teams can afford him, and not many want him. Might end up staying at Barca after all this.

 

[HC]

I genuinely cannot fathom how some people don't rate him.

Although, We have zero chance of getting him, so it's all moot

 

[keniget]

Fabregas is not our type of signing - not the type of player we want. There's a reason why Arsenal won basically zilch while he was there - he was a central figure in their team and he's mentally weak.

Remember when they came to ours in the CL. They played some awesome football in the first 30 and Fabregas was a big part of it but when the game got tough he couldn't be found. He's a sensational talent - no doubt about it, with all the ability going around - but someone like Suarez would chew him up and spit him out. Fabregas is just not a winner IMHO - he's not someone who sees you through the tough moments in a season. A flat track bully is possibly a little too harsh but he's closer to that description than he is to the concept of a true winner. We need winners at LFC - players who expect to win, who know how to win and know the determination, guts and fortitude that is needed to do so.

If he were to sign it would be a massive signal of intent but, IMO, move us no closer to the title.

I'm a bit baffled by this. It feels like to make this sort of judgement you need insight direct from people within the game.... otherwise, where is it coming from?

As far as I can see, we are talking about a player that had the balls leave to his hometown club early and unlike many youngsters who do likewise, it was actually with the expectation of playing games rather than rotting away in the reserves / b side.

A year after joining, he played over 30 games for the runners up in the league, starting most of them. A year later at the age of 18, he won the FA Cup, playing in the final. The following year he helped guide Arsenal to a rare CL final, which but for a mad Jens Lehman moment they might have won.

Arsenal were basically in a state of managed decline as Fabregas was maturing into a world class player and to lay the blame at his feet for Arsenal not achieving more is, for me, akin to blaming Gerrard for Liverpool not achieving more over the years.

 

[localny]

He won't sign for Chelsea as he doesn't like Mourinho's style. Nor the man.

Isn't it between us, Man united, Arsenal, and us?

man might be tough given his loyalty to Arsenal. If Wegner wants him, he'll be going home.

Look what do I know? Feck all. I just see marquee players trying less and less as they get older. Trading on the reputation. You have to be careful of buying players like that. Maybe he's different.

 

[HC]

I'm a bit baffled by this. It feels like to make this sort of judgement you need insight direct from people within the game.... otherwise, where is it coming from?

As far as I can see, we are talking about a player that had the balls leave to his hometown club early and unlike many youngsters who do likewise, it was actually with the expectation of playing games rather than rotting away in the reserves / b side.

A year after joining, he played over 30 games for the runners up in the league, starting most of them. A year later at the age of 18, he won the FA Cup, playing in the final. The following year he helped guide Arsenal to a rare CL final, which but for a mad Jens Lehman moment they might have won.

Arsenal were basically in a state of managed decline as Fabregas was maturing into a world class player and to lay the blame at his feet for Arsenal not achieving more is, for me, akin to blaming Gerrard for Liverpool not achieving more over the years.

Close thread - this post is all win

 

[dmishra]

I'm a bit baffled by this. It feels like to make this sort of judgement you need insight direct from people within the game.... otherwise, where is it coming from?

As far as I can see, we are talking about a player that had the balls leave to his hometown club early and unlike many youngsters who do likewise, it was actually with the expectation of playing games rather than rotting away in the reserves / b side.

A year after joining, he played over 30 games for the runners up in the league, starting most of them. A year later at the age of 18, he won the FA Cup, playing in the final. The following year he helped guide Arsenal to a rare CL final, which but for a mad Jens Lehman moment they might have won.

Arsenal were basically in a state of managed decline as Fabregas was maturing into a world class player and to lay the blame at his feet for Arsenal not achieving more is, for me, akin to blaming Gerrard for Liverpool not achieving more over the years.

I will just add - my first recollection of Fabregas is as a 16 year old playing CM in the Charity Shield against a Roy Keane led United.

The kid was streets ahead of any player on the pitch - it was an absolutely remarkable performance. He showed zero fear against one of the most dominant CMs in the premier league history. To suggest that sort of player is mentally weak is just fairly weird.

In fact, I find this notion of a single player being held responsible for failing to instill a winning mentality into his team a bit annoying. Arsenal's failure at winning is surely down to a collective lack of leadership (that, and never having a great defence) rather than their star players not being charismatic enough.

 

[Leo]

Spain have always relied on him heavily to take crucial penalties in shootouts too.
I always thought he was a terrific footballer and I'd never have him down as a bottler.
I'd have him in a heartbeat.

 

[Mors]

I'm sure Brendan would love him, but there'd be a few factors:

1. Would he want to come
2. IF it's 30mill, they'd probably want cash upfront, all of it, none of this Ian Ayre pissing around.
3. There would be whopping signing on fees for Cesc and his agent, that could be another 5-10mill.
4. He'd want massive wages like 200k a week to match or increase what he's on.
5. He'd want a 4-5yr contract guaranteeing those whopping wages.

So if you look a 30mill+10mill+10mill per yearx5 = 90mill deal for Fabregas.

Fuck that.

 

[Mors]

He won't sign for Chelsea as he doesn't like Mourinho's style. Nor the man.

He might do when they offer him a sackful of cash, all footballers are the same.
They've got a nice spot that has just opened up from lampard going....

 

[Insignificance]

Quite a luck he aint Dutch or United would have gone all in for him!!

 

[Mors]

Very strange

Barcelona fans have yet again overwhelmingly backed selling Cesc Fabregas to Manchester United. First Catalan newspaper Sport asked their readers if the sale should happen and 80% of 16,619 said yes. That was followed by Catalan newspaper Mundo Deportivo being more direct and asking 'Would you sell Cesc Fabregas to Manchester United for €30m?' and again 80%, this time of 6807 voters so far, said 'Yes!'.

These responses are likely to paint a true picture of the feeling among Barcelona fans toward Cesc Fabregas. Sport and Mundo Deportivo are Catalonia publications and biased toward that market, therefore it's unlikely the vote has been hijacked by Real Madrid fans.

Comments from supporters on the matter include calling Fabregas a trouble maker, saying he doesn't fit into the Barcelona team and that hasn't been prepared to give it his all in training.

The bad feeling toward Fabregas has been reported throughout Spain and El Confidencial, like others, say it dates to when he left Barcelona for Arsenal as a youngster. They also point out that, according to their information, Fabregas has twice turned down Real Madrid in his career and so deserves some respect from his fellow Catalans for that.

 

[Judge Jules]

Balague was on Talksport about half an hour ago talking about the situation. According to him Fabregas would strongly prefer to return to London apparently (o wot a surprise) and some of the people at the Arse would like to see that happen, but Wenger has said no. Balague was asked about the possiblility of Tottenham but had no info.on the likelihood or otherwise of that, though he said it was "an interesting possibility" and reckons Pochettino - who's a mate of his - would work well with Fabregas.

 

[Hansern]

Chelsea are linked now

 

[Whirly]

Sounds like he might be getting scapegoated for their recent struggles.

 

[Ryan]

I'm a bit baffled by this. It feels like to make this sort of judgement you need insight direct from people within the game.... otherwise, where is it coming from?

As far as I can see, we are talking about a player that had the balls leave to his hometown club early and unlike many youngsters who do likewise, it was actually with the expectation of playing games rather than rotting away in the reserves / b side.

A year after joining, he played over 30 games for the runners up in the league, starting most of them. A year later at the age of 18, he won the FA Cup, playing in the final. The following year he helped guide Arsenal to a rare CL final, which but for a mad Jens Lehman moment they might have won.

Arsenal were basically in a state of managed decline as Fabregas was maturing into a world class player and to lay the blame at his feet for Arsenal not achieving more is, for me, akin to blaming Gerrard for Liverpool not achieving more over the years.

Internet win right there.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Barcelona get three bids for Cesc Fabregas: Man United €43m, Chelsea €40m & Arsenal €36m [SPORT]

 

[RolandG]

Fabregas is a top player by any definition. At 27 he should be in his prime and worth the cash. Arsenal and Citeh have both pulled out to sign him. The Chavs are the front runners but we can offer him more football. After bench duty at Barca, he must be itching to play regularly.

Definately not the typical Liverpool type signing.

 

[Insignificance]

I dont like that united is in the race here. To have a front 4 of Mata, Cesc, van Persie and Rooney is good.

 

[Mors]

Barcelona get three bids for Cesc Fabregas: Man United €43m, Chelsea €40m & Arsenal €36m [SPORT]

That can't be right. Surely the arse would have bid €36mill+£1

 

[keniget]

The whole plus £1 jibe is wearing pretty thin now.

 

[the count]

The whole plus £1 jibe is wearing pretty thin now.

+1

 

[rubans]

Barcelona get three bids for Cesc Fabregas: Man United €43m, Chelsea €40m & Arsenal €36m [SPORT]

If the release clause is 30 million then why would anyone like thick cnts united bid over?
Surely, even with the complicated release clause process in Spain, once it's met, it's upto the player to negotiate with the clubs?