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Fabinho signed - £43m so it begins.

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Mors said:
Henderson wouldn't make the starting 11 of any of the other top 6 teams, and he shouldn't be making ours. He's a bit like Drinkwater at Chelsea or something - propping up your english quota numbers and a decent sub option, but that's about it. When you looked and Madrid's central midfield and ours, there was a gulf in class and it was obvious. The club wants to be winning the champions league and aspires to bigger things, and it's far more likely to happen with better players so the Henderson/Wijnaldum/Milnet need to be bench options I'm afraid.
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Ah, I dunno. I get that Milner/ Wijnaldum/ Henderson wouldn't all be the starting CM at any Top 6 club, but isolating one of those players and claiming they wouldn't get a game is a bit unfair. There's always at least one "more agricultural, does the dirty work, less obviously gifted" player at all top clubs and winning sides.

I think Henderson would certainly fancy his chances when you consider how many games the likes of Bakayoko, Fabregas, Herrera, McTominay, Matic, Xhaka etc all played.

God, I'm defending Jordan Henderson. How times change.
 
Mystic said:
I didn't say he's not a DM, i'm just saying if you are expecting him to come in this side and play like Matic, Dier, Makelele or whoever then you'll be disappointed.
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I think youre over thinking it.
Maybe the rhetoric of Jurgen doesnt sign DMs is making people look daft and now say daft things.
I dont expect him to be Deir or Makalele. I expect him to be Fabinho....our DM.
Ok?
Ok.
 
manwithnoname said:
Amid all this excitement, what's the consensus about Henderson?

With Can gone, there was an obvious need for more midfield quality, and we've all been loudly talking about the need for a DM, but really, that is where Can and Henderson have been playing, especially Henderson.

So Keita is coming too, does this mean Fabinho is going to replace Hendo?

Certainly, as much as I like aspects of what the tireless triumvirate of (three from) Hendo/ Milner/ Can/ Wijnaldum, there's certainly a lack of pace, and game-changing ability (and goals)

So with Fabinho in the midfield, is that with Hendo, or might we see a brand new CM trio, with possibly even Fekir or similar playing in front of Keita and Fabs?
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Bigger squad - we know we need one to compete across League, Champions League & the domestic cups.

We have plenty of CB’s (note the absence of the word good in case you get all feisty) cover in both FB positions.

Makes sense for the “midfield 2” to be any combination of Fabinho, Keita, Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum, Gruijic - with the attacking position covered by potentially Fekir, OX & Lallana.

That’s a pretty capable midfield squad - potential for a couple of the youngsters to come through if we decide to let Lallana move on - which wouldn’t be a disaster.

I’m all for VDV getting the Captaincy - there’s no way Henderson gets in the team before Keita, Fabinho & Fekir (if he signs) - but there’s plenty of opportunity for game time.
 
manwithnoname said:
Ah, I dunno. I get that Milner/ Wijnaldum/ Henderson wouldn't all be the starting CM at any Top 6 club, but isolating one of those players and claiming they wouldn't get a game is a bit unfair. There's always at least one "more agricultural, does the dirty work, less obviously gifted" player at all top clubs and winning sides.

I think Henderson would certainly fancy his chances when you consider how many games the likes of Bakayoko, Fabregas, Herrera, McTominay, Matic, Xhaka etc all played.

God, I'm defending Jordan Henderson. How times change.
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Yeah, I think the crux of it is that we have 3-4 agricultural types in there and with an influx of new signings, one or two of them might give way.

I don't see Henderson going yet personally, because he has the armband (at least for now). I think he'll obviously play less if better players come in and then that might force him to make a decision. Personally I'd keep Henderson and Milner, both are fully committed and you more or less know what you're getting. Lallana has had too many injuries of late and is getting to the age where he's not really going to be of benefit in the long term. Milner is no youngster, but he's incredibly fit and can run through brick walls, and is virtually always available. Gini is easier on the eye technically, but less effective/consistent. AOC was brilliant before his injury and obviously has a part or at the very least is a good alternative with much more pace to offer than any of the others. I'm guessing he might alternate with Keita. Which is where the whole strength in depth bit comes in.
 
manwithnoname said:
Ah, I dunno. I get that Milner/ Wijnaldum/ Henderson wouldn't all be the starting CM at any Top 6 club, but isolating one of those players and claiming they wouldn't get a game is a bit unfair. There's always at least one "more agricultural, does the dirty work, less obviously gifted" player at all top clubs and winning sides.

I think Henderson would certainly fancy his chances when you consider how many games the likes of Bakayoko, Fabregas, Herrera, McTominay, Matic, Xhaka etc all played.

God, I'm defending Jordan Henderson. How times change.
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Utd:
Pogba
Matic
Herrera

City:
Fernandinho
De Bruyne
Silva

Spurs:
Dembele
Alli
Wanyama

Chelsea:
Fabregas
Kante
Bakayoko

I can't see how Jordan Henderson displaces any of those, and if he did displace one of them, that would be because that team is actively looking to replace that player themselves.
 
manwithnoname said:
Amid all this excitement, what's the consensus about Henderson?

With Can gone, there was an obvious need for more midfield quality, and we've all been loudly talking about the need for a DM, but really, that is where Can and Henderson have been playing, especially Henderson.

So Keita is coming too, does this mean Fabinho is going to replace Hendo?

Certainly, as much as I like aspects of what the tireless triumvirate of (three from) Hendo/ Milner/ Can/ Wijnaldum, there's certainly a lack of pace, and game-changing ability (and goals)

So with Fabinho in the midfield, is that with Hendo, or might we see a brand new CM trio, with possibly even Fekir or similar playing in front of Keita and Fabs?
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I think Henderson will be a squad player. I expect Keita Fabiano and Wjinaldum/Ox to start more often than not. If Fabiano is the sitting/holding midfielder then the other 2 slots will be runners. He doesnt have the legs for that.
 
So now we have spent the Coutinho money on Fabinho, Virgil and Keita.

So we
Should still have our summer budget plus sales.
We need to keep spending and if it costs us 200m this summer so be it.
 
Mors said:
Utd:
Pogba
Matic
Herrera

City:
Fernandinho
De Bruyne
Silva

Spurs:
Dembele
Alli
Wanyama

Chelsea:
Fabregas
Kante
Bakayoko

I can't see how Jordan Henderson displaces any of those, and if he did displace one of them, that would be because that team is actively looking to replace that player themselves.
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He can easily displace quite a few of them, and on the top of his game also improve the teams. But he doesn't show that top Level often enough for me, and being a leader of the pack we need someone pulling out trees when things og against. I think Hendo still can play a part role with us, and the good about strengthening the midfield area is of course that we need more energy in the busy parts of the season. We benefitted a lot from Milner not playing to much in the start of the season when he had to play every game toward the end. We should not underestimate the number of miles the midfield put in in a Klopp system, and the need for fresh legs will always be there.
 
Even with Liverpool rose tinted glasses on, there's no way he's as good as Herrera or Wanyama, and he'd only get a game over Bakayoko on this seasons form which seems to have been a one off for him, and they'll replace him if it keeps up.
He's a bench player on technical quality, and we've now bought Keita and Fabinho to replace him.
I like the guy and all that, but he's not very good, nor is he that great as a captain, I don't think the players actually listen to him.
 
Oncy said:
So now we have spent the Coutinho money on Fabinho, Virgil and Keita.

So we
Should still have our summer budget plus sales.
We need to keep spending and if it costs us 200m this summer so be it.
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CL runners up will be another 60m
 
Oncy said:
I think youre over thinking it.
Maybe the rhetoric of Jurgen doesnt sign DMs is making people look daft and now say daft things.
I dont expect him to be Deir or Makalele. I expect him to be Fabinho....our DM.
Ok?
Ok.
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Just like Henderson before him 🙂
 
Mors said:
Even with Liverpool rose tinted glasses on, there's no way he's as good as Herrera or Wanyama, and he'd only get a game over Bakayoko on this seasons form which seems to have been a one off for him, and they'll replace him if it keeps up.
He's a bench player on technical quality, and we've now bought Keita and Fabinho to replace him.
I like the guy and all that, but he's not very good, nor is he that great as a captain, I don't think the players actually listen to him.
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Could be, but I don't rate any of them, and Fabregas also has had a season or two off now.
 
Mors said:
Utd:
Pogba
Matic
Herrera

City:
Fernandinho
De Bruyne
Silva

Spurs:
Dembele
Alli
Wanyama

Chelsea:
Fabregas
Kante
Bakayoko

I can't see how Jordan Henderson displaces any of those, and if he did displace one of them, that would be because that team is actively looking to replace that player themselves.
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I would be surprised if even one of those teams didn't add to their midfields. City with Jorginho looks done and United with Fred too.
 
manwithnoname said:
I think Wijnaldum would be most in danger out of him and Henderson, with Keita and Fabs coming in.
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A lot depends on a couple of factors :
(a) if we sign Fekir and
(b) what formation are we going to play, continue 4-3-3 or play a 4-2-3-1 which Klopp likes and which suits Fekir, with Keita and Fabinho sitting in behind.

I think Ox will definitely get games as will Milner due to his versatility and Gini is well liked and technically better than Hendo & Milner. Hendo is definitely the most injury-prone. 4-3-3 maybe suits Ox / Gini / Milner better. I find it harder to envisage Hendo in any of those forward positions and see him on the bench as backup to Fabinho.
 
Well, I suppose we’ll know more come the start of next season, but if Wijnaldum isn’t in our starting XI, I’ll be pleased
 
I hope Henderson proves some of you wrong, he might be replaced in his current position but that's not where he plays best imo.

The question is whether he still has the attributes he had a few seasons ago that saw him excel in the old position.
 
Markeh said:
I hope Henderson proves some of you wrong, he might be replaced in his current position but that's not where he plays best imo.

The question is whether he still has the attributes he had a few seasons ago that saw him excel in the old position.
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Yep. That injury seemed to take alot out of him and saw him become alot more cautious and less willing to gamble. He did start to show good form again over the last few months and can be a good option to have in there, he's pretty reliable and steady, if unspectacular.

As for the comparison earlier with three from each of the big 6. That's comparing him directly with the obvious first choice three, if you compare him overall with the actual squad, then he's good enough to play a part. All of the top 6 could sell some of their midfielders and they too wouldn't be guaranteed to go to a better or equal level team. It's more complex than that, you have players who have come through with the teams over a few years, know the club, know the system well and do a job while giving it all, sometimes that's more invaluable than going out and buying a fringe player to make up the numbers. Sometimes your Henderson, Milner's, Carrick's, etc are as close as it gets to having homegrown players.
 
manwithnoname said:
Amid all this excitement, what's the consensus about Henderson?

With Can gone, there was an obvious need for more midfield quality, and we've all been loudly talking about the need for a DM, but really, that is where Can and Henderson have been playing, especially Henderson.

So Keita is coming too, does this mean Fabinho is going to replace Hendo?

Certainly, as much as I like aspects of what the tireless triumvirate of (three from) Hendo/ Milner/ Can/ Wijnaldum, there's certainly a lack of pace, and game-changing ability (and goals)

So with Fabinho in the midfield, is that with Hendo, or might we see a brand new CM trio, with possibly even Fekir or similar playing in front of Keita and Fabs?
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Well that's a tough one. Man...
What should we do with Henderson?
I really don't know.
 
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