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Dudek - the night Houllier lost the Liverpool FC dressing room

Former Reds keeper says Frenchman undermined his coaching staff and later accused players of trying to get him the sack

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Jerzy Dudek and Chris Kirkland sign for Liverpool FC​

Jerzy Dudek has revealed the moment he believes former Liverpool manager Gerard Houllier lost the Reds dressing room.
In his new book “A Big Pole in Our Goal” Dudek reveals how he believes Houllier undermined his own coaching staff after a row over a warm-down session following a UEFA cup match.
And he also reveals how Houllier turned on some of his senior professionals accusing Danny Murphy of “training like a grandad”, Stephane Henchoz of “taking your time” to recover from injury and asking Emile Heskey “where is the player” who used to run through defences and score goals.
He also said the Frenchman’s paranoia emerged as he accused the Liverpool players of deliberately playing badly to get him the sack.
Dudek takes up the story:

We travelled to Romania to play Steaua Bucharest in the UEFA Cup. It was a filthy night. We played on a rain-soaked pitch in freezing conditions and drew 1-1.
Normally, after a game, we did a warm down on the pitch so it was no surprise when we heard: “Outside in three minutes lads,” from Sammy Lee, a former Liverpool player who was one of our coaches.
“You kidding?” said Steven Gerrard. “We’re going nowhere. Look at the lads, they’re all freezing. Djimi [Traore] is shaking so much he looks like he's been wired up to the mains. We’ll do stretches in the dressing room instead.”

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Emile Heskey tackles Dorel utica on a water logged pitch against Steaua Bucharest​

Lee wasn’t having it. He started to argue with Stevie when Houllier walked back in: “What’s going on?” Stevie explained that we didn’t want to go back out into the freezing rain so Houllier thought for a moment before telling Phil Thompson, Lee and all the rest of the staff to leave the dressing room.
“This is what I like to hear,” he said. “Sometimes you have to take the responsibility. You don’t want to go? Fine. Stevie, lead the stretching in the dressing room. It’ll be the best for you all.”
This was the moment when I believe Houllier lost the Liverpool dressing room. He undermined one of his coaches and gave the power to the players. Sammy even came back into the dressing room and apologised to Stevie while we were doing the stretches! That said a lot.
Increasingly, Houllier had been trying to ‘motivate’ players by making examples of them in front of the other lads. After another game he started going through the team. “Where’s that player from Leicester City? Emile? Emile Heskey? Where are you? Remember when you used to get the ball, run through the defence and score goals? Where is that player now? Am I missing something? We paid a lot of money for you...”
Then it was Salif Diao: “Do you remember where you came from? Sedan. And do you know the difference between Sedan and Liverpool? I don’t think you do. You don’t appreciate the fact you play for mighty Liverpool now.”


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Liverpool manager Gerard Houllier with coaching staff Sammy Lee and Phil Thompson talk to Steven Gerrard in August 2001​

Stephane Henchoz had problems with his Achilles tendon. He was doing all he could to get back on the pitch and had been a great servant for Houllier, especially when Liverpool won five trophies in 2001, but now he was on the receiving end of the manager’s anger.
“How long are you going to be injured, Stephane?” asked Houllier. “You’re taking your time to recover on purpose because we’re not playing well.”
“I’ve just come back from the doctor. I’ve had another injection,” he replied. “He says I’ve got tendinitis but this might help...”
“I know what I’m seeing.”
Then it was my turn. He went back to the start of my Liverpool career and listed every mistake I’d made, month by month.
“November 2002, Middlesbrough. December 2002, Manchester United. March 2003, Tottenham.” He chucked in a couple of other teams and yelled: “You think because you were Man Of The Match when we won the League Cup you can act like a star? You’re making mistakes which cost us points.”
“That’s not too bad for the three years,” I snapped back, smiling as I did so.
“You think it’s funny? Let me tell you this. If Chris Kirkland had been fit he’d have played in the League Cup final.”

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Danny Murphy and a delighted Gerard Houllier​


Then he turned to Danny Murphy: “And don’t think I haven’t been watching you. You train like a grandad. Are you going to retire soon?”
But then he paused for a moment. Danny was part of a ‘titled’ group at Liverpool, I suppose you might call it a group of players the manager favoured. “But Danny, I liked your reaction against Bolton.” Danny had scored in that game and, realising he was a player he wanted to keep onside, he tried to soften the criticism.
Traore also got stick from Houllier: “Since you got your contract extension you’ve stopped trying in training – you’re lazy.”
He concluded by addressing the whole group and displaying his paranoia: “I know what you’re up to. You’re waiting for me to be sacked. You’re playing badly to get rid of me. You’ll be sorry. The new manager will put most of you in the reserves. You won’t be laughing then.”


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He's done the same with Rafa this week. As interesting as it is, this stuff should really stay behind closed doors.
 
I don't see how a manager overruling a coach on a minor issue over the warm down could be described a major turning point.

Interestingly I didn't think Hollier had such a sharp tongue and I think that's testament to he started to lose it towards the end.
 
It was pretty obvious that Ged had gone fucking nuts. I hated that last season. So happy when they fired him.
 
It was pretty obvious that Ged had gone fucking nuts. I hated that last season. So happy when they fired him.

True. It was pretty disturbing. It was when he started reading absolutely everything that was written about him that I think he slipped a bit away from sanity. It was sad to see.

His own autobiography came out about a year ago but I don't think it's been translated even in serialised form, which is a pity because I'd love to know his side of the story for that period.
 
True. It was pretty disturbing. It was when he started reading absolutely everything that was written about him that I think he slipped a bit away from sanity. It was sad to see.

His own autobiography came out about a year ago but I don't think it's been translated even in serialised form, which is a pity because I'd love to know his side of the story for that period.
Jules is handy with the old French lingo if memory serves, I'm sure he wouldn't mind translating each & every page for us.

Come to think of it, if ever we needed a reason for bunnyman to be on here, translating books from French is his actual job now!
 
Quite sad that the last two successful Liverpool managers - both of whom I rated highly and still have lots of respect for - had such tumultuous and painful final seasons, in which all the good they had done was swallowed up in a tidal wave of bitterness and acrimony

Although the crowd reaction to Benitez on Saturday suggests that most of us have decided to remember the good times.

But even so, I was pretty much OK when both were finally sacked. Mind you, the sacking of Houllier was going to mean we got either Benitez or possibly Mourinho, so it was easier to accept, when Benitez left many of us expected - and duly received - the worst.

Rodgers was sacked too late, though. Even if you could argue that the second place finish afforded him enough credit for that final disastrous season to be ignored and given one last chance. A mistake quickly rectified eventually, and again the fact that a very highly- regarded manager with a great CV and trophies was waiting to come in, made it all good in the end.

Houllier is a great example of how the Liverpool job is so pressurised that any manager can spiral into uncertainty, mistrust and poor decision-making
 
I don't see how a manager overruling a coach on a minor issue over the warm down could be described a major turning point.

Interestingly I didn't think Hollier had such a sharp tongue and I think that's testament to he started to lose it towards the end.

It certainly wasn't how GH usually came across, but there was actually some precedent from his days in France. There was quite a bit of discontent about the way he ripped into Ginola over supposedly making a mistake against Bulgaria which cost France their World Cup (or was it Euros?) place, and one or two came out of the woodwork at the time to say this was actually characteristic of the Houllier they knew. He was far from universally popular there.

Don't know about "every page", Foxy, but I'll do my best with the occasional excerpt if anyone wants to buy the book and quote from it. 😛
 
It certainly wasn't how GH usually came across, but there was actually some precedent from his days in France. There was quite a bit of discontent about the way he ripped into Ginola over supposedly making a mistake against Bulgaria which cost France their World Cup (or was it Euros?) place, and one or two came out of the woodwork at the time to say this was actually characteristic of the Houllier they knew. He was far from universally popular there.

Don't know about "every page", Foxy, but I'll do my best with the occasional excerpt if anyone wants to buy the book and quote from it. 😛

Yeah, I remember that. Branded Ginola "a criminal" and blamed him entirely for their elimination.
 
Robbie Fowler's autobiography is pretty damning about Ged, claiming that he was constantly playing an underhand game with the media to help move on players he didn't want. Robbie clearly hated him by the end.
 
I was at a forum last year, and Fowler was there. I asked him some kind of a question about managers. He spoke on Houllier, and said he clearly didn't see eye to eye with him, but that he was also tough to manage and a scally. There seems to be some recognition of his own part in it.

Houllier came across as insecure quite frequently, with the BS press conferences, blaming of players, and bogus stats. Taking partial credit for the CL win was just part of who he had become, seeking some kind of validation in the face of a mixed record in the end. I think looking back, his record looks better than it may have seemed back then.
 
Agreed. One of my concerns as his regime ran steadily into the sand later on was that his legacy would be tarnished if he hung on too long, which would have been a pity because overall he did a lot for the club. He was an excellent agent of change when we needed that. Once he'd cleaned the stables he proved unsuited to the job of taking us back to the top, but I suspect very few managers have ever been capable of doing both types of job.
 
Houllier came across as insecure quite frequently, with the BS press conferences, blaming of players, and bogus stats. Taking partial credit for the CL win was just part of who he had become, seeking some kind of validation in the face of a mixed record in the end. I think looking back, his record looks better than it may have seemed back then.

Agreed. There was no need for Houllier to actively try to take credit for the CL win. He had a body of work and a legacy which he could be proud off and most LFC fans should be grateful for.
 
Like Maureen, he was never a serious player, and that means there's an insecurity there that's never going to disappear.
 
Like Maureen, he was never a serious player, and that means there's an insecurity there that's never going to disappear.
Absolutely spot on. He was needed to get rid of the spice boys attitude but ultimately in the end i thought he became a deluded individual exemplified by some of his stubborn and stupid decisions. Rafa was kinda turning into him towards the end.
 
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