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Poll Do You want Klopp

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I think being a realistic owner I'd say that paying the fifth most wages then probably finishing fifth is par.Expecting a Manager to beat the odds by finding outstanding players for modest fees and wages is a hope rather than an expectation.

Of course if the Manager falls short of fifth then I'd review his position. However I'd review my own role primarily: am I investing enough to make this entity achieve?

The current mantra of expecting more with less aided by big data seems like a glib soundbite at present.

I doubt Klopp or any other manager is likely to have anything other than an outside chance of improving our league position right now.

Pay up or shut up.
 
mark1975 said:
Quite, the "tactical genius" comment is just an exaggerated point about the media saying he was brilliant when it was going well. .
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Not really. I think it's very significant he refers to quite mild praise he received and translated it as 'tactical genius'. Would you do that? He actually continued to attract doubts and criticisms from some pundits throughout that period, and after some good results it was him, not them, stressing his tactical achievement and sneering at his critics. I think he needs to spend a while during the summer pondering what the word 'hubris' means.
 
gkmacca said:
Not really. I think it's very significant he refers to quite mild praise he received and translated it as 'tactical genius'. Would you do that? He actually continued to attract doubts and criticisms from some pundits throughout that period, and after some good results it was him, not them, stressing his tactical achievement and sneering at his critics. I think he needs to spend a while during the summer pondering what the word 'hubris' means.
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Why wouldn't you though? He's pointing out the exaggerations of the media by using an exaggerated term.
 
You wouldn't. The exaggeration is telling. If you don't think that, fine, I think you're in a tiny minority.
 
He's a laughing stock amongst most of the press pack that regularly attends his pressers, and that comment got plenty of eyes rolling. They tolerate him because they need garrulous people. It makes their job easy. He, on the other hand, thinks they love him. There's nothing good or clever in indulging him. He needs someone to have a word in private.
 
I like BR's self confidence and bravery, yes you could call it hubris, but he obviously backs himself to do the job.

What he says only matters if he underachieves given the resources the club makes available and then only to the club owners who will decide his future.

Fuck the media and pundits and every other naysayer. He's Liverpool manager and he has my support.
 
I'm always against changing the manager unless there is a better option available.

It was obvious when we had Hodgson that there were loads better, not so obvious with Rafa, and not obvious with Rodgers.

Klopp is one of about 5 managers that I think we'd be better off with. If we can manage to get him, then we definitely should do it. If we can't, we should stay with Rodgers for another two or three years.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
I'm always against changing the manager unless there is a better option available.

It was obvious when we had Hodgson that there were loads better, not so obvious with Rafa, and not obvious with Rodgers.

Klopp is one of about 5 managers that I think we'd be better off with. If we can manage to get him, then we definitely should do it. If we can't, we should stay with Rodgers for another two or three years.
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This. In a nutshell. We either go big or stick.

Not another manager learning his trade and experimenting.
 
Rodgers won't be going. FSG are too stubborn. What they might as well do is parachute in someone to the backroom staff who won't be a yes man and might actually challenge Rodgers. Then he'll either grow up a bit or flounce off in a huff.
 
gkmacca said:
Rodgers won't be going. FSG are too stubborn. What they might as well do is parachute in someone to the backroom staff who won't be a yes man and might actually challenge Rodgers. Then he'll either grow up a bit or flounce off in a huff.
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I beg to differ..


You only have to look at the owners’ handling of the Boston Red Sox when they took over the running of the baseball club in the spring of 2002.
Within weeks, Boston’s general manager and team manager had both been replaced.

The Sox enjoyed a reasonably successful year but failed to make the play-offs and the following spring the owners brought in a new general manager.
Team manager Grady Little kept his job and the Red Sox embarked on a run that would take them desperately close to making the World Series, the climax of the Major League Baseball season.

However, in the pivotal game seven of the American League Championship Series against their deadliest rivals, the New York Yankees, a crucial decision by manager Little backfired.

The Yankees went on to win the game and reach the World Series leaving Red Sox Nation – the name given to Boston’s massively-loyal fanbase – heartbroken yet again.
Little’s contract was not renewed and the owners appointed former Philadelphia Phillies manager Terry Francona.

And it worked.

The celebrated ‘Curse of the Bambino’, the seemingly strange jinx that was said by many to have stopped Boston winning the World Series, was broken the following October in the most incredible circumstances.

Trailing three games to none in a best-of-seven American League Championship Series – once more against those hated Yankees – the Red Sox sensationally reeled off four games in a row to win the showdown 4-3.

They then went on to the World Series and blanked the powerful St Louis Cardinals four games to none earning the team’s first World Series in 86 years and bringing unbridled joy to New England and beyond.

Another World Series triumph came in 2007, but after a campaign last year which saw Boston implode in the final month to miss the play-offs on the very last day of the season, Francona and the general manager Theo Epstein left the ballclub as the owners tried to restore winning ways once more at Fenway Park with a new management team.

In the end, the numbers will have counted for everything with FSG. Numbers, after all, play such a significant part in American sports.
 
There seem to be a few in the media who think he came quite close to the chop before xmas - do you not buy that, then?
 
One way to help you decide if you want Klopp is to ask yourself whether you'd rather see him or Rodgers become Man Utd manager.
 
Red Mullet said:
That was one game. Over a course of 4 games you've proven yourself to be trigger happy.
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I think to be fair there is a pattern emerging.. the signs where there earlier on in the season..

It not a case of being trigger happy for me.. I just think his days are numbered..

If this was any other Top 4 Club and even Spurs... the Manager would be Sacked.. no Question about it..
 
"Look at Tottenham, if you spend over 100 million you should be challenging for the league!" - Brendon Rodgers
 
RedNinja said:
I think to be fair there is a pattern emerging.. the signs where there earlier on in the season..

It not a case of being trigger happy for me.. I just think his days are numbered..

If this was any other Top 4 Club and even Spurs... the Manager would be Sacked.. no Question about it..
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I don't think using Spurs as an example helps the argument much. So Pochettino out then?
 
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