There were loads (on here especially) last season saying 2nd came to early for this team, expectation for this season was always going to be unrealistic.
Amazing how quickly people forget.
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There were loads (on here especially) last season saying 2nd came to early for this team, expectation for this season was always going to be unrealistic.
Amazing how quickly people forget.
It's one thing having a dig about the Media being fickle or that the clubs transfer policy needing improving ( a policy of which he's a part of with him being on the transfer committee and supposedly having the final say on any deal) but he still shouldn't be claiming this was a better season (in some ways?) than the last one when anyone with half a brain can see that it wasn't. When Hodgson was in charge we got beat by Everton at Goodison in what was a shambolic performance and afterwards he claimed it was the best we had played all season. Everyone knew it was bollocks apart from him and some of the things Rodgers comes out with aren't too far short of that.
Not really. The squad's in a reasonably good shape - incomplete but young and improving. It's really just a case of who you'd rather oversee the necessary improvements.
It just seems totally obvious that you'd take one of the finest managers in Europe to do that over Rodgers.
Not against Klopp but he like every other manager will be talking about 3/5 years plans. They always do unless you are Chelsea/madrid who will spend millions every year regardless and expect to be challenging for big trophies every year.
Rodgers keeps making these little digs, I wonder if FSG are going to give him a kicking for it.
I find it odd that FSG would fuck him up in respect of telling him he can only buy youth etc. They want success and will know you need a combination.
Maybe his digs are more aimed at the committee and Ayre?
I find it odd that FSG would fuck him up in respect of telling him he can only buy youth etc. They want success and will know you need a combination.
Maybe his digs are more aimed at the committee and Ayre?
Oh yeah, then he'd be loved here and given 6 years to win the title before spending the next ten having everyone begging him to come back because he's great over two legs or something.
The problem is that it's all guess work. We've heard vague rumours and make assumptions based on quotes in the media.
It looks like there's three on the committee. To me it makes sense to have three with different focuses, someone for finance, someone for the short term and someone for the long term.
Finance is there to obviously make sure we don't spend beyond our means. We look to be doing ok here.
Long term is to ensure that we are buying players that will hopefully grow in value, and pay off later down the line. We look to be doing ok here too.
Short term is to ensure we get the players to compete here and now.
The one that is failing is the short term, and the person with the most vested interest in that is Rodgers. For me, he's the most likely of the three to be responsible for this, whether signings appear to be "Rodgers kind of signings" or not, he's the one that's going to lose his job if this part of the committee fails. So he needs to be stronger with his opinions, or we need someone with better opinions.
If you started with the proverbial blank sheet of paper and both were interested, you'd probably prioritise Klopp (though this season hasn't exactly been a stunning success for him). The difficulty with ditching Rodgers now and replacing him with Klopp is that it would mean yet more upheaval and delay. That would be an acceptable price to pay if it were clear that things weren't going to reach the necessary standard under Rodgers, and anyone who takes that view will understandably push for Klopp's appointment. I don't happen to think it *is* clear yet that Rodgers isn't going to work out.
Good post. Wouldn't directly disagree, but I've highlighted what I think is the crux of the problem when it comes to apportioning criticism here. It's important that the owners analyse the situation accurately in order to remedy it properly, and in their position I'd be a bit concerned that by making a scapegoat of Rodgers they might be ignoring other, potentially more significant problems with the whole set-up. See also above re the price the club will have to pay for changing managerial horses in mid-stream. We don't want to land ourselves with that if we don't actually have to.
Agreed.
But it;s very hard for us on the outside to actually know what goes on in these discussions.
If Rodgers was not to blame last summer, he will undoubtedly have a strong argument this summer for getting some short term, instant impact players in. If we don't see that happen this summer, then I think then it's fair to say that we won't see it happen ever, so something will have to change, and it's likely to be Rodgers.
I know it's said every summer, but this one is huge. One good/great signing in the right position, and Rodgers is back on track.
Not having Rodgers impose his terrible transfer targets on us would be worth the change alone, IMO.
Yeah let's let Rodgers get some more signings like Joe Allen and Fabio Borini. 26 Million for players that wouldn't get anywhere near the bench at Chelsea,United ,City or Arsenal. We may not be sure who's idea most of the signing's were since he became manager but these two were definitely his. Not money well spent.
You can counter that with Sturridge and Coutinho, two others that are pretty likely to be his.
You counter that with Lovren & Lambert, 24 million wasted on players that would get nowhere near a top 4 side..
I'm not convinced Sturridge was his choice at all. Weren't the club trying to get Sturridge whilst Kenny was in charge? I've no idea about Coutinho but if you read this article from around when he signed he had aleady been monitored by the club before Rodgers was even at the club www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21236041
The relevant bit being
New manager Claudio Ranieri sent Coutinho on loan to struggling Spanish side Espanyol for the second half of the following season. He impressed, scoring five goals in 16 appearances.
This was when Liverpool first showed an interest in the player. Benitez had told their director of football, Damian Comolli, that Coutinho was the best young player at Inter and capable of being a big success in the Premier League.
Inter had yet another new manager, Andrea Stramaccioni, by this time, though, their sixth during Coutinho's time at the club, and he wanted to keep the player, so Inter rebuffed Liverpool's offer.
No you can't.
The point is that all managers have good and bad signings. One bad signing doesn't mean a good one didn't happen. If we make another two signings like Sturridge and Coutinho this summer, without losing anyone, then we'd be all but guaranteed to be in the top 4, even if we wasted some more money.
I remain to be convinced that Lovren and Allen are money wasted anyway, but that's a separate argument.
Well, you're kind of proving my point, we don't know who's really responsible for any of the signings, so we can't really be sure that it's his fault for any of them. It's guesswork.
Wasted money...
Lovren
Allen
Borini
Aspas
Alberto
Llori
Balotelli
Lambert
Markovic
Total = 105 Million
Jurys Out
Lallana
Mingolet
Moreno
Total = 46 Million
Succesful
Coutinho
Sturridge
Can
Sakho
Toure
Total = 50 million
The succesful buys are bargains... But there has been a shocking amount of money wasted otherwise...
Lovren
Allen
Borini
Aspas
Alberto
Llori
Balotelli
Lambert
Markovic
Total = 105 Million
Jurys Out
Lallana
Mingolet
Moreno
Total = 46 Million
Succesful
Coutinho
Sturridge
Can
Sakho
Toure
Total = 50 million
The succesful buys are bargains... But there has been a shocking amount of money wasted otherwise...
If you want to play a countering game then I'll throw in Can and Sakho. Its a pointless game though. Every manager signs duds. The problem for us with a limited budget, is that we have to get it right more often than likes of City, Chelsea and utd. Or else we have go the extra mile to ensure that we secure the type of player Gerry talks of in option 3.
We will get there or thereabouts what we paid for him... probably
though the 7 million we paid for him.. seemed to be a bit on the silly side..
three cups
Forgot about him..
Cheers
105 million wasted on players that appear beyond useless..
Or is it the Manager failing to fit some of them into his system correctly ??
There is a good argument that players don't suddenly don't become shite overnight.
Who ever is responsible for the signings this club has made since Rodgers has come in.. needs to be made accountable..
Even the 4 loan signings that have been made are gash..
Out of all the signings only 1 player can you truly say would get into any current Top 4 team, and thats is Coutinho..
I discounted Sturridge as he is always injured..
Even the 4 loan signings that have been made are gash..
Out of all the signings only 1 player can you truly say would get into any current Top 4 team, and thats is Coutinho..
I discounted Sturridge as he is always injured..
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