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Poll Do You want Klopp

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How did this klopp thread turn into a Rafa thread... *puzzled*

Though I have to admit.. I would take him back.. Just for the European nights if anything...
 
Judge Jules said:
Look, Istanbul was fantastic, the ultimate team triumph. I strongly disagree with those who characterise our CL win that season as "lucky" and Rafa has to take a large share of the credit for an incredible campaign which will remain in our memories (and those of many others) as long as we live.

Things were never the same again though. Even getting to the 2007 Final was spoilt by one of Rafa's most desperate blunders, namely subbing Masher off and setting Kaka free to run riot. There were too many poor transfers (N.B.Rafa didn't have a transfer committee to get past, though he did have to contend with Parry's limpness in pursuing deals) and naffing Pako off robbed the club of a vital counterweight in the decision-making on the playing side.

I was as chuffed as anyone when Hicks and Gillett were given the boot, but they played no more than a bit part in Rafa's downfall. He absolutely made his own mistakes, more than enough of them to justify moving him on. FSG will know that and I would be utterly staggered if they fetch him back.
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JJ, all you say is probably true in part but the point of the thread is Do you want Klopp? To be honest he doesn't have a blemish free record and is quite emotional as was Rafa, So I'd suspect there is every chance he could make a mistake or two and be upset especially if undermined (e.g the Klinsmann thing) like Rafa.

I think our current situation is more to do with direction of the club, selling your better players, trying to use stats to recruit, failing to match the wages paid by the top four etc etc

I'm not sure Klopp would fare any better than BR with the resources the owners are committing.
 
jexykrodic said:
JJ, all you say is probably true in part but the point of the thread is Do you want Klopp? To be honest he doesn't have a blemish free record and is quite emotional as was Rafa, So I'd suspect there is every chance he could make a mistake or two and be upset especially if undermined (e.g the Klinsmann thing) like Rafa.

I think our current situation is more to do with direction of the club, selling your better players, trying to use stats to recruit, failing to match the wages paid by the top four etc etc

I'm not sure Klopp would fare any better than BR with the resources the owners are committing.
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Although he did a reasonably good job in similar circumstances at Dortmund.
 
jexykrodic said:
JJ, all you say is probably true in part but the point of the thread is Do you want Klopp? To be honest he doesn't have a blemish free record and is quite emotional as was Rafa, So I'd suspect there is every chance he could make a mistake or two and be upset especially if undermined (e.g the Klinsmann thing) like Rafa.

I think our current situation is more to do with direction of the club, selling your better players, trying to use stats to recruit, failing to match the wages paid by the top four etc etc

I'm not sure Klopp would fare any better than BR with the resources the owners are committing.
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Surely one of the factors to take into account when considering whether or not one would want Klopp is whether there are other viable alternatives out there, so discussing whether Rafa would be one of them seems fair enough to me (though incidentally I wasn't the first to bring his name up).

I agree with your analysis of the current situation as far as it goes (though I don't think it would be right to exclude Rodgers totally from blame, any more than it would be to pile it all on to his shoulders). I also agree there's no certainty that Klopp would do a better job in the same conditions, which is one reason why I don't want Rodgers to go yet, because a change will inevitably mean more upheaval and delay with no guaranteed payoff. I'd begin building contact with Klopp now, though, because if Rodgers doesn't bring CL football back this time next year I think he will go, and that will be fair enough IMO.
 
We shouldnt go back to Rafa. Never.

There was a reason why he left and as with most things history has a tendency to make you only remember the good things, like Europe but forget an away game vs Reading with Voronin and Crouch out wide.
His transfer record wasnt good either and I cant handle more of that stubborn approach.

Imho he cost us the title when he let Keane leave in january 2009. That left us with N'Gog as our only fit striker when Torres was out.

If we sack Rodgers we need either Klopp or De Boer. I cant see anyone else making much difference that might be available. Rafa isnt the answer. End off.

I'd rather stick with Rodgers then get Rafa back.
 
Hansern said:
We shouldnt go back to Rafa. Never.

There was a reason why he left and as with most things history has a tendency to make you only remember the good things, like Europe but forget an away game vs Reading with Voronin and Crouch out wide.
His transfer record wasnt good either and I cant handle more of that stubborn approach.

Imho he cost us the title when he let Keane leave in january 2009. That left us with N'Gog as our only fit striker when Torres was out.

If we sack Rodgers we need either Klopp or De Boer. I cant see anyone else making much difference that might be available. Rafa isnt the answer. End off.

I'd rather stick with Rodgers then get Rafa back.
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People conveniently forget that Torres missed about half that season through injury.

Given that, we had no right to win the title. Even if the fact that we ultimately didn't was due to Rafa, the fact that we got close enough even to think in those terms was still more due to him.

Therefore the net effect of Rafa was title-entitling.
 
I wonder if Klopp would take up a job in the Serie A. The Napoli and Milan posts look like they'll open up soon. Milan's in a bit of a mess right now and can't offer European football next season, but Napoli can, seems to have a proper, supportive owner, and has a good team on the pitch. Could also still make it to the CL next season as they're just a couple of points off 3rd, and still in with a chance of winning a CL berth through the Europa League tournament. Seems like there might be some doubt about Rudi Garcia's time at Roma too, so there's another job vacancy in Italy that could open up.
 
RedNinja said:
How did this klopp thread turn into a Rafa thread... *puzzled*

Though I have to admit.. I would take him back.. Just for the European nights if anything...
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Rafa will always be loved for what he did. We're not a club like Chavski.

It was said how he left, but what is sadder is talk of him returning undermining his legacy for us and our love for him.

YNWA Rafa.
 
Spotted in Liverpool.. [emoji4]

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RedNinja said:
How did this klopp thread turn into a Rafa thread... *puzzled*

Though I have to admit.. I would take him back.. Just for the European nights if anything...
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I can never understand why people have selective memories of Rafa. He may have won us the CL and FA Cup but he was the downfall of the team and pretty much was a poor manager towards the end of his time with us.

Move on.
 
That picture isn't Liverpool and it doesn't look like Klopp either.

This is like people getting their hopes up over us signing Reus or whoever. If and when people like this become available they're going to have their pick of clubs. We may try and make an approach for them, but they'll have so many better offers elsewhere.

There's no point getting rid of Rodgers at this point.
 
Halmeister said:
That picture isn't Liverpool and it doesn't look like Klopp either.

This is like people getting their hopes up over us signing Reus or whoever. If and when people like this become available they're going to have their pick of clubs. We may try and make an approach for them, but they'll have so many better offers elsewhere.

There's no point getting rid of Rodgers at this point.
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It was intended as a joke... The comparison was uncanny..

Not sure where it is though.. Looks very Chester train station ish..
 
peterhague said:
People conveniently forget that Torres missed about half that season through injury.

Given that, we had no right to win the title. Even if the fact that we ultimately didn't was due to Rafa, the fact that we got close enough even to think in those terms was still more due to him.

Therefore the net effect of Rafa was title-entitling.
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Which makes it even more insane to sell and not replace Keane.
He fucked up.
 
No doubt Rafa fucked up. But his working conditions with Hicks and Gillette probably played a part. The club was in a shitty state. Still he did my head in with allways focusing on the players he wanted a d not the ones he had.
 
Judge Jules said:
Hindsight's always 20:20. Rafa's time was well and truly up, and I don't recall many on here saying at the time that Hodgson was nailed on to be the disaster he turned out to be.
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I think most people thought it was a shite move, but were (in true LFC fashion) willing to give him a chance, but were doubtful of success. Here's the thread of record on the subject of Roy's appointment 5 years ago
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/the-hodgson-out-thread.8839/

For the Hodgson cheerleaders, See yourself fellas and feel ashamed.
 
"I think we would be lucky to get a manager as good as him."

*Stops reading before losing respect for posters.*
 
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