Poll Do You want Klopp
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You'd have gone off the rails if you'd had the cowboys as bosses. Benitez knew it and no-one listened.
I've said before that if we finish 5th that's about par. Why? because that's about where we rank in terms of investment. Expecting to overturn the gap in resources with a 'grow your own' strategy seems hopeful to say the least.
True, but not the whole story. Rafa's regime had gone sour anyway.
Hindsight's always 20:20. Rafa's time was well and truly up, and I don't recall many on here saying at the time that Hodgson was nailed on to be the disaster he turned out to be.
But he was, so lets not make the mistake of assuming that anything is better than the current. Change for the sake of change is not always the right thing to do, and it always has the risk of making things worse.
As I've said before, I don't think the time is right to get rid of Rodgers, unless we can secure someone like Klopp.
I said similar at the time Rafa went, that we should only be getting rid if there was a decent option out there, it turns out that there wasn't. We made a rash decision and it's hurt us badly.
Gerry: agree with your first two paras.above. I've also said similar things in various threads before now. My issue with what you said before was confined to the suggestion I thought you were making that appointing Hodgson was an obvious mistake at the time. Jexy's latest post notwithstanding, I don't think it was. Props to Jexy for spotting it early.
I may be remembering wrong, but I do remember that nobody suggested him as a potential successor until after the rumours started.
Once they did, a lot of people were unhappy about it. Eventually people came around and convinced themselves it was ok, and he deserved a chance.
If Hodgson was the right choice at the time, we would have had a lot more people suggesting him before the rumours started. I don't remember one person doing that.
Come on, he was just trying to steady the ship!
I convinced myself that he would be ok, then the ship almost sank.
There were a few people said it was an obvious mistake. I remember Brendan being particularly vocal about it as soon as we were linked with him. And one of the main reasons why I remember Brendan's post is because I (amongst others) agreed wholeheartedly with him.
FSG apparently sounded Klopp out before Rodgers was appointed so who knows.
ha, well that's the talk anyway.
Hahaha
Like they sounded Stewart Downing out? By viewing a fake Youtube video?
Rafa's shortcomings apart, is there a manager out there who could have coped much better in the situation we found ourselves in at that time. There was a very real prospect of the club going into receivership. I was under the impression that rather than the performance of the team he was sacked by Purslow et al to facilitate the sale of the club as he was " quite rightly " at war with the club management.
I wholeheartedly agree with all of this. I always (well maybe not always) wonder how Rafa would have been working under FSG and not the two cowboys. He loved the club and the city and was genuinely successful here with not very much to work with .
I don't buy that, I'm afraid. The problems associated with the owners certainly didn't help the club's overall situation but Rafa's fall from grace didn't seem to me at the time, and still doesn't seem to me now looking back, to have had much to do with all that. His increasingly questionable decision-making and rigidity of approach were problems in their own right. Rafa's shortcomings and those of the owners were separate issues IMO.
How about approaching Klinsman? That must have got his goat up a bit.
I'd take him back without a doubt. Probably not the most popular opinion as the old adage goes - Never go back. I do think he was binned too early. A solid ownership structure in place when he was a manager could have been wonderful. Who knows though. I get JJ's point and hindsight is a wonderful thing. Still look at what he won with what he had! Traore with a CL medal might agree!
Look, Istanbul was fantastic, the ultimate team triumph. I strongly disagree with those who characterise our CL win that season as "lucky" and Rafa has to take a large share of the credit for an incredible campaign which will remain in our memories (and those of many others) as long as we live.
Things were never the same again though. Even getting to the 2007 Final was spoilt by one of Rafa's most desperate blunders, namely subbing Masher off and setting Kaka free to run riot. There were too many poor transfers (and Rafa didn't have a transfer committee to get past, though he did have to contend with Parry's limpness in pursuing deals) and naffing Pako off robbed the club of a vital counterweight in the decision-making on the playing side.
I was as chuffed as anyone when Hicks and Gillett were given the boot, but they played no more than a bit part in Rafa's downfall. He absolutely made his own mistakes, more than enough of them to justify moving him on. FSG will know that and I would be utterly staggered if they fetch him back.
Things were never the same again though. Even getting to the 2007 Final was spoilt by one of Rafa's most desperate blunders, namely subbing Masher off and setting Kaka free to run riot. There were too many poor transfers (and Rafa didn't have a transfer committee to get past, though he did have to contend with Parry's limpness in pursuing deals) and naffing Pako off robbed the club of a vital counterweight in the decision-making on the playing side.
I was as chuffed as anyone when Hicks and Gillett were given the boot, but they played no more than a bit part in Rafa's downfall. He absolutely made his own mistakes, more than enough of them to justify moving him on. FSG will know that and I would be utterly staggered if they fetch him back.
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