Poll Do You want Klopp
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It does feel like something has happened behind the scenes otherwise I just don't understand the last few games.
I can stomach losing but not when it looks like half the team is doing us all a favour turning up.
Are Sterling and Henderson waiting to see what happens before committing?
I can stomach losing but not when it looks like half the team is doing us all a favour turning up.
Are Sterling and Henderson waiting to see what happens before committing?
Sterling's waiting to see what happens before playing.
He wouldn't come to us so there's no point discussing it really.
Some people need to hear some home truths... we're basically at the same level as Tottenham with a bit more history and a bigger fanbase.
Some people need to hear some home truths... we're basically at the same level as Tottenham with a bit more history and a bigger fanbase.
Klopp has had a terrible year - despite what we've had from Rodgers, he didn't have has @ 20th for a few weeks.
Is Klopp able to translate his success to another league/country? or will he be like Rafa and succeed in knock out competitions but never be able to replicate the league success?
His track record is excellent - and he's built teams the right way, and playing great footy - but I do wonder ... why is leaving a team he said he'd honor the contract he signed? Is the 'power' of Bayern too much for him now? How will he deal with that at a team who doesn't have the financial muscle of 4 teams above 'em (not to mention CL footy if you believe the realistic posters)?
Is Klopp able to translate his success to another league/country? or will he be like Rafa and succeed in knock out competitions but never be able to replicate the league success?
His track record is excellent - and he's built teams the right way, and playing great footy - but I do wonder ... why is leaving a team he said he'd honor the contract he signed? Is the 'power' of Bayern too much for him now? How will he deal with that at a team who doesn't have the financial muscle of 4 teams above 'em (not to mention CL footy if you believe the realistic posters)?
He's a better coach than rogers for a start. Yes he has had a bad season with bvb, but his record speaks for itself, evan at Mainz. Rogers first LFC manager not to win silverware in first three years, yes he nearly won the big one, but think it was more down to the fact of a certain no.7.
I really do think rogers has a lot of questions to answer, weather he can provide FSG with the right answers is another matter.
I really do think rogers has a lot of questions to answer, weather he can provide FSG with the right answers is another matter.
So I guess we'll just ignore this last season and him quitting on a club he & his fans love ...
We've got a lot of average to decent players Premier League players along with the odd gem, the vast majority of them are mentally weak and quite a few physically weak.
Just look at the names in the line up today... Allen, Lovren, Markovic, Moreno, Balotelli, Gerrard... absolute shite the lot of them, they have been all season.
I'm not sure why anyone would pick on Dortmund's "poor" season.
Piszczek, Sahin, Subotic, Kehl, Kirch, Reus, Gundogan, Schmelzer, Blaszczykowski, Mkhitaryan, Bender had all been injured for months this season.
At 1 stage of the season, their entire back 4 was out and they had to sign 35 yr old Manuel Friedrich on a free transfer.
They won the DFL Super Cup, are in the semi finals of the DFB Cup, got into last 16 of CL (won the group ahead of Arsenal) and are 6 points off Europa League spot with 5 games to go.
When you've lost star players every season (Lewandowski, Gotze, Kagawa, Sahin etc.) and knows you're likely to lose more (player ambitions + to balance the books for not qualifying for CL next season), is it irrational to review a decision (contract extension that was signed till 2018) which was made almost 2 years ago ?
Dated April 2013:
[article=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2308320/Brendan-Rodgers-wants-emulate-Dortmund-Liverpool.html#ixzz3XmicilXd ]The Dortmund side that reached the Champions League semi-finals on Tuesday was made up of two youth graduates, three free transfers and six players who cost a combined total of £30million in transfer fees.[/article]
Would he want to go through that process again?
2. Bundesliga - promotion
Bundesliga - checked
DFB-Pokal - checked
DFL-Supercup - checked
UEFA Champions League - finals (runner-up)
Piszczek, Sahin, Subotic, Kehl, Kirch, Reus, Gundogan, Schmelzer, Blaszczykowski, Mkhitaryan, Bender had all been injured for months this season.
At 1 stage of the season, their entire back 4 was out and they had to sign 35 yr old Manuel Friedrich on a free transfer.
They won the DFL Super Cup, are in the semi finals of the DFB Cup, got into last 16 of CL (won the group ahead of Arsenal) and are 6 points off Europa League spot with 5 games to go.
When you've lost star players every season (Lewandowski, Gotze, Kagawa, Sahin etc.) and knows you're likely to lose more (player ambitions + to balance the books for not qualifying for CL next season), is it irrational to review a decision (contract extension that was signed till 2018) which was made almost 2 years ago ?
Dated April 2013:
[article=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2308320/Brendan-Rodgers-wants-emulate-Dortmund-Liverpool.html#ixzz3XmicilXd ]The Dortmund side that reached the Champions League semi-finals on Tuesday was made up of two youth graduates, three free transfers and six players who cost a combined total of £30million in transfer fees.[/article]
Would he want to go through that process again?
2. Bundesliga - promotion
Bundesliga - checked
DFB-Pokal - checked
DFL-Supercup - checked
UEFA Champions League - finals (runner-up)
I didn't see the match today, so I only have the disappointment, not the anger of what sounds like a sub-par performance.
I've always liked Rodgers, thought he was going to develop alongside his team and it would all be great.
I still think he can do that, learn from this poor season, get some more experience in Europa League next year and hopefully finish in the top four.
But if Klopp is a realistic possibility he is worth going behind Rodgers back for, he's the real deal, he doesn't have to learn anything, Line him up and at the end of the season send Rodgers on his way.
I've always liked Rodgers, thought he was going to develop alongside his team and it would all be great.
I still think he can do that, learn from this poor season, get some more experience in Europa League next year and hopefully finish in the top four.
But if Klopp is a realistic possibility he is worth going behind Rodgers back for, he's the real deal, he doesn't have to learn anything, Line him up and at the end of the season send Rodgers on his way.
Injuries ... I guess there's always an excuse. We have it with Studge (& shite signings), so why not JK.
Someone mentioned it in another thread ... but it amazes me how people still view Liverpool as a 'top team.' We're a cup team with a good league run in us every 4-5 years. Bar Torres, we've not attracted a player who's been on everyone's radar in ages (Balotelli? 😛). Our managerial candidates 3 years ago were Martinez and Rodgers, and the one 'high class' guy we looked at wasn't interested (Van Gaal) - I wonder why?
We don't need a 'top manager' (we got a pretty solid one right now - though he's got a lot of maturing to do like some of his players) - we need 2-3 players in the Suarez mold attitude wise on the pitch. No, not 'world class' (Sorry Ross) players who'll bang in the goals, but 2-3 players who will fight every single goal for 90+ minutes. Players who have a nasty (no biting please) streak and demand that their team follow them into battle, or fuck off. That is the glaring difference from last year - where is that one leader who leads the pack and everyone follows ... Confidence, balls, intensity ... We don't have ONE player like that on our team. Chelsea are littered with them, and Arsenal aren't, which is why their nice hot streak will end on Sunday with a loss and 'we got hot too late' line like last year.
Someone mentioned it in another thread ... but it amazes me how people still view Liverpool as a 'top team.' We're a cup team with a good league run in us every 4-5 years. Bar Torres, we've not attracted a player who's been on everyone's radar in ages (Balotelli? 😛). Our managerial candidates 3 years ago were Martinez and Rodgers, and the one 'high class' guy we looked at wasn't interested (Van Gaal) - I wonder why?
We don't need a 'top manager' (we got a pretty solid one right now - though he's got a lot of maturing to do like some of his players) - we need 2-3 players in the Suarez mold attitude wise on the pitch. No, not 'world class' (Sorry Ross) players who'll bang in the goals, but 2-3 players who will fight every single goal for 90+ minutes. Players who have a nasty (no biting please) streak and demand that their team follow them into battle, or fuck off. That is the glaring difference from last year - where is that one leader who leads the pack and everyone follows ... Confidence, balls, intensity ... We don't have ONE player like that on our team. Chelsea are littered with them, and Arsenal aren't, which is why their nice hot streak will end on Sunday with a loss and 'we got hot too late' line like last year.
Rodgers spent his first season complaining he had a 'wafer thin squad'. Then he claimed his second season was better in spite of the fact that his squad was still 'painfully' thin. Then he spent his next season, after saying he'd needed to strengthen his squad, claiming that it still lacked depth. And then today he started the game with a bench populated by rejects who are heading out the door in the summer. And his last throw of the dice in the game was bringing on a player he's been sneering about ever since he or someone else signed him. What's going to happen next season, with a need to win something and four competitions in which to compete, apart from him complaining his new signings 'need time to understand my methods' whilst protesting that the squad isn't strong enough?
No doubt this is partly FSG's fault as well as his, but his attitude stinks nonetheless. He came here from Swansea, who had a tiny squad, and should have rejoiced at how much better he expected to do with so many more talents at his disposal, but suddenly he acted as though he'd turned up from Real Madrid and was frustrated at the loss of choice. Bloody hell.
And where's this fabled man management? He is such a father figure to Sterling (so he never tires of telling us) the kid is looking to buy out his own contract. He reacted to Balotelli failing not to be Balotelli by practically disowning him. He brought Borini to the club as some kind of disciple and now he appears unable to reason with him. He managed to piss off Gerrard. And the whole team has come out for most games looking as if they can't be arsed to play for him.
And what's happened to his decision making? Good for the first season, especially in bringing on subs early on (well, it wasn't his team then, so, unlike since, there was no implied self-critique with the changes), but what's happened more recently except horrible confusion? He dropped Carragher, then brought him back because he said the defence lacked a leader. Then looked to replace Carra with Kolo because Kolo was a talker and a leader. Then brought in Lovren because he was 'very vocal' and 'a leader'. Three years and there's still nothing stable, nothing coherent, except for the 'look at us doing what we do' faffing around at the back. True, he's changed the system a few times, but out of weakness rather than strength. It's like watching a dog chase its own tail.
It's almost as bad in attack. Look at Villa today: when they went forward there was loads of space, they moved quickly, made simple but incisive runs and looked dangerous. We, on the other hand, waited for lines of defenders to settle and then played the ball sideways, backwards and lost it. We weren't being the more 'clever' team. We were making the job of attacking look complicated, scary and hazardous. 'Death by football'? Well, not in a positive sense.
Turn down the sound of his own voice and there's not much to his 'style' except pace. Doing ordinary things quickly enough to disturb the opposition. And when, for whatever reason, the energy sags and the pace drops, like now, all you have is indifferent technique, average passing and movement and - apart from Coutinho - no imagination or creativity.
Two or three more second or third choice new signings aren't going to improve on that. I hate to see managers fail because it's my club and I want it to succeed. But this guy is now severely straining my patience. I don't want to hear another word from him. He needs to shut up, grow up, accept his responsibility and change things quickly, or go. He hasn't got a year. He's got months.
No doubt this is partly FSG's fault as well as his, but his attitude stinks nonetheless. He came here from Swansea, who had a tiny squad, and should have rejoiced at how much better he expected to do with so many more talents at his disposal, but suddenly he acted as though he'd turned up from Real Madrid and was frustrated at the loss of choice. Bloody hell.
And where's this fabled man management? He is such a father figure to Sterling (so he never tires of telling us) the kid is looking to buy out his own contract. He reacted to Balotelli failing not to be Balotelli by practically disowning him. He brought Borini to the club as some kind of disciple and now he appears unable to reason with him. He managed to piss off Gerrard. And the whole team has come out for most games looking as if they can't be arsed to play for him.
And what's happened to his decision making? Good for the first season, especially in bringing on subs early on (well, it wasn't his team then, so, unlike since, there was no implied self-critique with the changes), but what's happened more recently except horrible confusion? He dropped Carragher, then brought him back because he said the defence lacked a leader. Then looked to replace Carra with Kolo because Kolo was a talker and a leader. Then brought in Lovren because he was 'very vocal' and 'a leader'. Three years and there's still nothing stable, nothing coherent, except for the 'look at us doing what we do' faffing around at the back. True, he's changed the system a few times, but out of weakness rather than strength. It's like watching a dog chase its own tail.
It's almost as bad in attack. Look at Villa today: when they went forward there was loads of space, they moved quickly, made simple but incisive runs and looked dangerous. We, on the other hand, waited for lines of defenders to settle and then played the ball sideways, backwards and lost it. We weren't being the more 'clever' team. We were making the job of attacking look complicated, scary and hazardous. 'Death by football'? Well, not in a positive sense.
Turn down the sound of his own voice and there's not much to his 'style' except pace. Doing ordinary things quickly enough to disturb the opposition. And when, for whatever reason, the energy sags and the pace drops, like now, all you have is indifferent technique, average passing and movement and - apart from Coutinho - no imagination or creativity.
Two or three more second or third choice new signings aren't going to improve on that. I hate to see managers fail because it's my club and I want it to succeed. But this guy is now severely straining my patience. I don't want to hear another word from him. He needs to shut up, grow up, accept his responsibility and change things quickly, or go. He hasn't got a year. He's got months.
Yes, because that is directly because of Rodgers and not because of our selling the best player in the league, or his agent turning his head to the limelight etc of Arsenal or City, two better teams.
What manager hasn't? 🙂 That being said, I wish he could have HANDLED Gerrard like Mourinho did with Lampard last year ... but well, that's been a colossal failure for him.
I agree with this until the last 2 sentences. Unless we have a legitimate replacement lined up - who ticks all the boxes you listed (maybe we've tapped him up, who knows) - there's no point in starting again.
Well, obviously. That was the problem last time.
I guess it's going to make a very difficult summer situation - if we don't fire him (assuming we miss out on 4th), and 'look' for that candidate and it leaks, it will be even more tragic. If we do fire him, and don't get someone who's actually got the resume (except for Rafa, as that won't be good for Ross), then that would also be quite tragic.
It's another sign of the shambolic running of the club. Peter Robinson started building a relationship with Houllier about four years before he came here. Even Parry had been sounding out potential candidates soon after Ged started the job. It was an ongoing thing. Of course, it's in the nature of the business that, if it's done right, we don't know about it until soon before it happens, if then, so I guess FSG might have something lined up, but it would surprise me. It's one more sign of us having a poor CEO and a board that's seldom together and focussed.
There's no question Klopp currently is a better manager than Rodgers. The question is whether FSG believe that Rodgers will be a better manager than Klopp in, say, two, or three, or five years time, and whether the inevitable upheaval resulting in changing the manager and the backroom staff and whatever else would result in a team performance that would be significantly worse than if we kept Rodgers next season.
Assuming Klopp would want to come to Liverpool, which I don't.
Assuming Klopp would want to come to Liverpool, which I don't.
yep.. im all,for this..
time for a change and to bring a manager in that will attract better players..
hell... he might get something better out of the shite we have
time for a change and to bring a manager in that will attract better players..
hell... he might get something better out of the shite we have
I'm all in on Klopp if he wants it. He'd be taking the job because he wanted to rebuild the dynasty. He'll have most teams knocking on his door. As far as I've seen he is also immensely likable and honest!
I want Rodgers out now regardless. I lost faith after the derby goalless draw but I was willing to give him the next year a couple weeks ago. The reason for the change in philosophy is that the players have appeared to give up on him.And then he went and played Gerrard at DM again, I understand the emergency with Lucas and Ibe being cup-tied. However, he's partly to blame because the first and foremost reason why I want him gone is that he won't work for a DOF. I finally want a dedicated person with an analytical background to choose our players. It adds culpability, longevity and robustness to the whole process. I'm sure Binny would be better at it than Rodgers.
I'm officially sick of Rodger's lemon sucking face. His constant effusive monologues about himself and his accomplishments. "It's like I said", stop trying to canonize yourself. I think he has a huge flaw, and I think it because of the reactions of the player's now, the contracts being unsigned and the lack of pulling power. He doesn't see it as about the team and players - he sees it as about him and his tactics.
I want Rodgers out now regardless. I lost faith after the derby goalless draw but I was willing to give him the next year a couple weeks ago. The reason for the change in philosophy is that the players have appeared to give up on him.And then he went and played Gerrard at DM again, I understand the emergency with Lucas and Ibe being cup-tied. However, he's partly to blame because the first and foremost reason why I want him gone is that he won't work for a DOF. I finally want a dedicated person with an analytical background to choose our players. It adds culpability, longevity and robustness to the whole process. I'm sure Binny would be better at it than Rodgers.
I'm officially sick of Rodger's lemon sucking face. His constant effusive monologues about himself and his accomplishments. "It's like I said", stop trying to canonize yourself. I think he has a huge flaw, and I think it because of the reactions of the player's now, the contracts being unsigned and the lack of pulling power. He doesn't see it as about the team and players - he sees it as about him and his tactics.
LFC don't have two, or three or five years' time to find out. They just don't. They've already spent three years finding out.
Klopp is 100% about effort, intensity, pressing, physical fitness and he runs his teams into the ground.
I'm sure he would want to bring in a lot of his own guys and that could mean another transition season or two.
I'm not sure we will ever have a team with the quality depth the likes of the current top four and I'm not sure I want to see Klopp overwork our smallish squad.
I'm sure he would want to bring in a lot of his own guys and that could mean another transition season or two.
I'm not sure we will ever have a team with the quality depth the likes of the current top four and I'm not sure I want to see Klopp overwork our smallish squad.
We've also, through awful ownership and senior management, got to a point whereby any manager is going to be asked to compete with teams who are able to spend far more than us. Rodgers is partly to blame, but so are FSG, Ayre, the last owners and Moores/Parry. With FFP being what it is we've painted ourselves into a corner and now whoever comes into the club is going to be up against it.
That said we should be expecting more than we're currently getting.
You can get good results in the short term whilst gradually working on a longer term evolution. There's no reason to just assume everything needs to be chaos for two years while the new management team works on a transition. Look at bloody Sherwood, ferchrissake. Or look at Van Gaal - for all the sneers, he's taken less than a season to start the positive changes, and he's got his team above us. Only Rodgers has embedded this very convenient idea that, if you're a REALLY good manager, you need so long even to start to challenge for honours. Right from the start, he's talked as though he'd taken over West bloody Brom, not LFC.
So, exactly like Rodgers except he's won stuff and seems about a thousand times more likable.
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