There really is no point discussing this... Would Klopp go to a club like Spurs? No. So he's not going to come to us.
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I hope I'm wrong, of course. Totally bemused as to whether we should stick with Rodgers after yesterday. As bad as anything I can remember.
Tony Evans, of course, has always had an anti-Rodgers agenda, but in this case I think he's pretty much right. I quote him here mainly because of the Mike Gordon reference. That idea of a power struggle developing between Rodgers and Gordon echoes a few bits and pieces I've been hearing - anyone else? - and suggests it's going to be a tense old summer:
One vision, one club. One overdose of hubris. A month ago, Brendan Rodgers was radiating confidence. His team were on a 13-game unbeaten run in the league that stretched back to December and were closing in on a Champions League place. The Liverpool manager delighted in telling anyone who’d listen how he had turned the side around from the dark days of the autumn.
Rodgers loves to talk about a dossier — the 180-page one with vision and club in its title — of risk taking and CORE values (commitment, organisation, responsibility, excellence). Right across the club there was a sense of wellbeing. In February, Tom Werner, the chairman, spoke publicly about the positive feeling that abounded.
Everyone was getting ahead of themselves. Manchester United were due to arrive at Anfield armed with a plan to disrupt the 3-4-3 formation that Rodgers believed had put the club on the right path.
United won 2-1, the next match away to Arsenal was a 4-1 rout, the Champions League spots faded into the distance and yesterday the last chance of a trophy disappeared as Aston Villa made Liverpool look like the team that had struggled against Blackburn Rovers in the quarter-final.
Hubris accompanies Rodgers like a shadow. In the gloom before Christmas it was barely visible. As soon as The Lying Rag shines it leaps into view.
The season has unravelled, along with the tactical innovations. Yesterday, Aston Villa outplayed and, more worryingly, out-thought, Rodgers’s team. Rodgers began deploying the three central defenders after the embarrassing 3-1 defeat away to Crystal Palace in November. Yesterday’s display at Wembley was as shapeless and stupid as the one at Selhurst.
For a man who has built a reputation as a tactician, Rodgers’ side was a disjointed mess. His substitutions were bewildering. Villa were more coherent, held a better shape and played with a stronger sense of purpose. Tim Sherwood’s side attempted triangular passes and targeted the space behind their opponents’ wing backs. They had a plan. Liverpool merely drifted, hoping for a flash of inspiration from Raheem Sterling or Philippe Coutinho.
A month ago, the Northern Irishman was happy to take all the credit. The problem with that is it makes it hard to deflect the blame, even if the difficulties at Anfield are not all of his making.
In December, Rodgers was closer to losing his job than most imagined. His reluctance to play the summer signings that were supposed to fill the void left by Luis Suárez aggravated Fenway Sports Group (FSG.). The club’s owners took a more hands-on role, especially Mike Gordon, who is the second largest investor in FSG. While Rodgers was willing to take the credit for the temporary turnaround in the season, others behind the scenes at Anfield pointed to Gordon’s input almost as a de facto director of football as a significant reason for the upswing in results.
The American owners believe their recruitment policy is working. The manager would beg to differ. Rodgers would almost certainly handle the transfer budget in a contrasting manner if he was given control. The key to his future is to play the hand that is dealt him and keep complaints to a minimum.
The 42-year-old is still young for a manager but he has had a bad year. From being in pole position to win the title with three games to go 12 months ago, only that 13-game unbeaten run in the league has produced anything near the standards expected of him. From the moment José Mourinho’s Chelsea turned up at Anfield 51 weeks ago and killed Liverpool’s title dream there has been too little for Rodgers to boast about.
Even though FSG admire Jürgen Klopp, it is likely that Liverpool will start next season with the same manager. The thrills and excitement of last season’s title challenge should have created enough goodwill to give Rodgers another chance.
Yet the time is rapidly approaching when all the phrases and motivational jargon will wear thin. Results and trophies are the only language that fans and owners will understand.
Talk is cheap. Rodgers needs to keep his mouth shut, his head down and build a team that will do his speaking for him. Because yesterday, the only thing Liverpool told us is there is no light at the end of the tunnel at Anfield.
One vision, one club. One overdose of hubris. A month ago, Brendan Rodgers was radiating confidence. His team were on a 13-game unbeaten run in the league that stretched back to December and were closing in on a Champions League place. The Liverpool manager delighted in telling anyone who’d listen how he had turned the side around from the dark days of the autumn.
Rodgers loves to talk about a dossier — the 180-page one with vision and club in its title — of risk taking and CORE values (commitment, organisation, responsibility, excellence). Right across the club there was a sense of wellbeing. In February, Tom Werner, the chairman, spoke publicly about the positive feeling that abounded.
Everyone was getting ahead of themselves. Manchester United were due to arrive at Anfield armed with a plan to disrupt the 3-4-3 formation that Rodgers believed had put the club on the right path.
United won 2-1, the next match away to Arsenal was a 4-1 rout, the Champions League spots faded into the distance and yesterday the last chance of a trophy disappeared as Aston Villa made Liverpool look like the team that had struggled against Blackburn Rovers in the quarter-final.
Hubris accompanies Rodgers like a shadow. In the gloom before Christmas it was barely visible. As soon as The Lying Rag shines it leaps into view.
The season has unravelled, along with the tactical innovations. Yesterday, Aston Villa outplayed and, more worryingly, out-thought, Rodgers’s team. Rodgers began deploying the three central defenders after the embarrassing 3-1 defeat away to Crystal Palace in November. Yesterday’s display at Wembley was as shapeless and stupid as the one at Selhurst.
For a man who has built a reputation as a tactician, Rodgers’ side was a disjointed mess. His substitutions were bewildering. Villa were more coherent, held a better shape and played with a stronger sense of purpose. Tim Sherwood’s side attempted triangular passes and targeted the space behind their opponents’ wing backs. They had a plan. Liverpool merely drifted, hoping for a flash of inspiration from Raheem Sterling or Philippe Coutinho.
A month ago, the Northern Irishman was happy to take all the credit. The problem with that is it makes it hard to deflect the blame, even if the difficulties at Anfield are not all of his making.
In December, Rodgers was closer to losing his job than most imagined. His reluctance to play the summer signings that were supposed to fill the void left by Luis Suárez aggravated Fenway Sports Group (FSG.). The club’s owners took a more hands-on role, especially Mike Gordon, who is the second largest investor in FSG. While Rodgers was willing to take the credit for the temporary turnaround in the season, others behind the scenes at Anfield pointed to Gordon’s input almost as a de facto director of football as a significant reason for the upswing in results.
The American owners believe their recruitment policy is working. The manager would beg to differ. Rodgers would almost certainly handle the transfer budget in a contrasting manner if he was given control. The key to his future is to play the hand that is dealt him and keep complaints to a minimum.
The 42-year-old is still young for a manager but he has had a bad year. From being in pole position to win the title with three games to go 12 months ago, only that 13-game unbeaten run in the league has produced anything near the standards expected of him. From the moment José Mourinho’s Chelsea turned up at Anfield 51 weeks ago and killed Liverpool’s title dream there has been too little for Rodgers to boast about.
Even though FSG admire Jürgen Klopp, it is likely that Liverpool will start next season with the same manager. The thrills and excitement of last season’s title challenge should have created enough goodwill to give Rodgers another chance.
Yet the time is rapidly approaching when all the phrases and motivational jargon will wear thin. Results and trophies are the only language that fans and owners will understand.
Talk is cheap. Rodgers needs to keep his mouth shut, his head down and build a team that will do his speaking for him. Because yesterday, the only thing Liverpool told us is there is no light at the end of the tunnel at Anfield.
Another worrying thing is that the torpor evident in the senior team is seeping down through the other age groups. It's been very noticeable this season that all the coaches at the various levels have been saying how they don't even look at their respective league tables and are focussed on player development rather than results. Now obviously that could be presented as refreshing to a certain degree, if contrasted with an old-fashioned scrap for a youth team title or cup, but I fear it's gone far beyond that, leaving our teams lacking a real sense of needing a competitive edge. At every level you see the same patterns - nice play in midfield but a lack of urgency and penetration in the final quarter of the pitch, and in defence an almost neurotic obsession with playing the ball back and forward across the pitch until a stupid mistake leads to a goal. And most of the players go off at the end not showing any anger or frustration at what's happened, just, I guess, contentment that their 'development' continues.
That chills a bit when you look at the insipid nature of the current first team and you think what we are doing to their potential successors. Look at the recent 'respect' league based on how much pressure teams put on referees: Chelski are at the top, we're at the bottom. Quite nice in a way that we don't behave like them, I guess, but to be the least pressurising team in the whole league? Well, it suggests we don't quite have the fight in us, doesn't it? There's a lack of drive and bite all the way through the club, and that's pretty disturbing after three years of major changes at every level.
PREMIER LEAGUE RESPECT MARKS TOWARDS REFEREES THIS SEASON
Chelsea 159
Sunderland 161
Arsenal 167
Stoke City 167
Aston Villa 168
Hull City 168
Tottenham Hotspur 170
Swansea City 171
Leicester City 172
Southampton 172
Everton 172
Manchester United 173
Queens Park Rangers 175
Newcastle United 175
Manchester City 176
Crystal Palace 176
West Ham United 176
West Bromwich Albion 179
Burnley 179
Liverpool 181
That chills a bit when you look at the insipid nature of the current first team and you think what we are doing to their potential successors. Look at the recent 'respect' league based on how much pressure teams put on referees: Chelski are at the top, we're at the bottom. Quite nice in a way that we don't behave like them, I guess, but to be the least pressurising team in the whole league? Well, it suggests we don't quite have the fight in us, doesn't it? There's a lack of drive and bite all the way through the club, and that's pretty disturbing after three years of major changes at every level.
PREMIER LEAGUE RESPECT MARKS TOWARDS REFEREES THIS SEASON
Chelsea 159
Sunderland 161
Arsenal 167
Stoke City 167
Aston Villa 168
Hull City 168
Tottenham Hotspur 170
Swansea City 171
Leicester City 172
Southampton 172
Everton 172
Manchester United 173
Queens Park Rangers 175
Newcastle United 175
Manchester City 176
Crystal Palace 176
West Ham United 176
West Bromwich Albion 179
Burnley 179
Liverpool 181
There's definitely a problem with the mentality of the club. The way Dalglish was booted out left a sour taste but it gave me the impression of a ruthless attitude that's not really been seen since. Comolli wasted a lot of money, so he went, as did Kenny, as did Steve Clarke. But since then there's been no pursuit of excellence. If they wanted to bring in an inexperienced coach with great potential, and saw that in Rodgers, fine, but make damn sure there is excellence in the structure above and below him to give him the tools to succeed.
Excellent point.
Rodgers refused to take the job under DOF structure.. we caved in...
Rodger insisted on his approach.. That what we did wrong..
If Rodgers is to stay an experinced DOF model must be brought in to help him..
And the cunt has to take it on the chin
And he got stuck with a panel that's either given in to his demands, or are equally inept in the transfer market. You can't be that selective over the blame.
It is sad to see we are no better under Rodgers this season than we where under Kenny.
At least Kenny installed the mentality in the team to get us to Two Finals..
It's come to seem as though we DIDN'T cave in. FSG said 'okay,' and then promptly denied him, effectively, much control over anything - certainly signings.
Why's he a cunt anyway? A cunt is a nobhead asking for his head after 2 months of a new season.
No one knows who this panel consists of.. It does appear however it lacks balls and a man of experience..
I'm just pointing out that the people who think he's the antichrist now thought The Lying Rag shone out of his arse back then.
Whilst using everything to kick Kenny with at the same time.
Reap what you sow and all that.
Maybe the more pertinent comparison is between Rodgers and Clarke. They're the two coaches. Clarke had us playing some great stuff in his first half season. Then he struggled badly in his second one but still helped the team get to those finals. But he was taciturn, and you'd have more chance of getting him to dance a ballet than expound on his tactical genius. Rodgers offered a dazzling contrast - every tactical buzzword tripped from his lips, every possible formation was discussed in dazzling detail, and the effect seemed to be: 'Garlic bread? It's the future!' Here was the Man of Ideas. The reality was he had no more ideas than Clarke had. He just talked about them more, and took credit for them more when they worked. Clarke worked quietly away on the interiors. Rodgers always has the scaffolding up along with masses of temporary traffic lights and 'Men at Work' signs. And now, who got his team up for the fight and tactically coherent for the semi final? Clarke. They both lost, of course, but I think those two men are the ones to compare and contrast when gauging the progress or lack of it we've had. We've gone from one good coach working under an experienced manager, to one good coach working under his own ego.
I've no problem with people questioning him at this stage of the season.
It's not been good enough.
The sack him threads in November were embarrassing though but hardly surprising as the same poster done the same with Kenny and Rafa.
And will do the same with the next manager too.
This. In this respect FSG wanted to have their cake and eat it, which has ended up satisfying precisely nobody.
You bring this up at least once a week. As if it were a national campaign led by thousands. It's fucking nauseating.
Who wanted him gone after 2 months mark?
None of this would have happened if only we had signed Gylfi Sigurðsson.
It's dead easy to hammer Rodgers today. But, mitigation:
1) Suarez was off no matter what
2) The demise of Stevie Me has been a difficult one to handle
3) We don't know if he made the signings.
If he made the signings then yeah, he should go. If he didn't then he's had a tough season to deal with and not been supported properly by the club.
1) Suarez was off no matter what
2) The demise of Stevie Me has been a difficult one to handle
3) We don't know if he made the signings.
If he made the signings then yeah, he should go. If he didn't then he's had a tough season to deal with and not been supported properly by the club.
More goals and assists this season than Coutinho.
Exactly.
Clint Dempsey has 3 goals and 2 assists in 4 appearances so far. If only.
To be fair it has to be emotionally draining to know that no matter how well you do it's only a matter of time until Bayern swoop in and buy your best players and there is nothing you can do about it.
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