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Poll Do You want Klopp

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Lastly, can someone tell me if Klopp has ever given up blooding youngsters? Rodgers came in talking a big game about it. Then he did it and the natural energy and competitiveness having youths in and around the squad getting real experience gives is extremely valuable. Then he went and chose Raheem and Flanno as his star youths. And gave no one else a chance for 2 years. You remember last year, where was Ibe, man? A lot of us were bleating on about him getting a chance early on because he had looked so good in pre-season.
 
Rodgers spent his first season complaining he had a 'wafer thin squad'. Then he claimed his second season was better in spite of the fact that his squad was still 'painfully' thin. Then he spent his next season, after saying he'd needed to strengthen his squad, claiming that it still lacked depth. And then today he started the game with a bench populated by rejects who are heading out the door in the summer. And his last throw of the dice in the game was bringing on a player he's been sneering about ever since he or someone else signed him. What's going to happen next season, with a need to win something and four competitions in which to compete, apart from him complaining his new signings 'need time to understand my methods' whilst protesting that the squad isn't strong enough?

No doubt this is partly FSG's fault as well as his, but his attitude stinks nonetheless. He came here from Swansea, who had a tiny squad, and should have rejoiced at how much better he expected to do with so many more talents at his disposal, but suddenly he acted as though he'd turned up from Real Madrid and was frustrated at the loss of choice. Bloody hell.

And where's this fabled man management? He is such a father figure to Sterling (so he never tires of telling us) the kid is looking to buy out his own contract. He reacted to Balotelli failing not to be Balotelli by practically disowning him. He brought Borini to the club as some kind of disciple and now he appears unable to reason with him. He managed to piss off Gerrard. And the whole team has come out for most games looking as if they can't be arsed to play for him.

And what's happened to his decision making? Good for the first season, especially in bringing on subs early on (well, it wasn't his team then, so, unlike since, there was no implied self-critique with the changes), but what's happened more recently except horrible confusion? He dropped Carragher, then brought him back because he said the defence lacked a leader. Then looked to replace Carra with Kolo because Kolo was a talker and a leader. Then brought in Lovren because he was 'very vocal' and 'a leader'. Three years and there's still nothing stable, nothing coherent, except for the 'look at us doing what we do' faffing around at the back. True, he's changed the system a few times, but out of weakness rather than strength. It's like watching a dog chase its own tail.

It's almost as bad in attack. Look at Villa today: when they went forward there was loads of space, they moved quickly, made simple but incisive runs and looked dangerous. We, on the other hand, waited for lines of defenders to settle and then played the ball sideways, backwards and lost it. We weren't being the more 'clever' team. We were making the job of attacking look complicated, scary and hazardous. 'Death by football'? Well, not in a positive sense.

Turn down the sound of his own voice and there's not much to his 'style' except pace. Doing ordinary things quickly enough to disturb the opposition. And when, for whatever reason, the energy sags and the pace drops, like now, all you have is indifferent technique, average passing and movement and - apart from Coutinho - no imagination or creativity.

Two or three more second or third choice new signings aren't going to improve on that. I hate to see managers fail because it's my club and I want it to succeed. But this guy is now severely straining my patience. I don't want to hear another word from him. He needs to shut up, grow up, accept his responsibility and change things quickly, or go. He hasn't got a year. He's got months.


Yep, all of this.

The only thing you missed was that he's started each of his three seasons with a system that he's had to change 2 months into every one of those seasons. He's managed to talk up that system and "style of play technically with our pressing" like a fucking hero too only to see it be undone within weeks.

2013 - W roll out at West Brom passing the ball about at the back like a bunch of lepers. Fast forward 2 months and we're lumping the fuck out of it.
2014 - All the hoopla about a high-pressing 4-3-3, 2 months in and we're a counter-attacking 4-4-2.
And now 2015 - When the players "understand my methods" only for us to get dicked by everyone, and have to change system 4 times in a year. At one stage Rickie Lambert as his target man was the default style, only for him to work out we "needed more pace". What side has ever won anything with 3 at the back? We struggled to beat Blackburn over 180 minutes with it.

I can't get that snide "it must be the defensive coach everyone was saying we should bring in" remark that he came out with a month ago after we went about 6 games unbeaten. How far ahead of himself has this bloke got? We're fucking 5th or 6th or whatever, out of every competition, dicked in the Champions League by bang average sides, after spending hundreds and hundreds of millions over 3 seasons, and you feel you've got the right to be arrogant? Pull your fucking head in.

He thinks he's Mourinho. Worse than that, he thinks he's Mourinho with some humility.

He's a worse manager than Dalglish's second coming right about now. And he's too fucking deluded to even see it.

"Our pitch is not conducive to the way we want to play."

Fuck off.
 
Yep, all of this.

The only thing you missed was that he's started each of his three seasons with a system that he's had to change 2 months into every one of those seasons. He's managed to talk up that system and "style of play technically with our pressing" like a fucking hero too only to see it be undone within weeks.

2013 - W roll out at West Brom passing the ball about at the back like a bunch of lepers. Fast forward 2 months and we're lumping the fuck out of it.
2014 - All the hoopla about a high-pressing 4-3-3, 2 months in and we're a counter-attacking 4-4-2.
And now 2015 - When the players "understand my methods" only for us to get dicked by everyone, and have to change system 4 times in a year. At one stage Rickie Lambert as his target man was the default style, only for him to work out we "needed more pace". What side has ever won anything with 3 at the back? We struggled to beat Blackburn over 180 minutes with it.

I can't get that snide "it must be the defensive coach everyone was saying we should bring in" remark that he came out with a month ago after we went about 6 games unbeaten. How far ahead of himself has this bloke got? We're fucking 5th or 6th or whatever, out of every competition, dicked in the Champions League by bang average sides, after spending hundreds and hundreds of millions over 3 seasons, and you feel you've got the right to be arrogant? Pull your fucking head in.

He thinks he's Mourinho. Worse than that, he thinks he's Mourinho with some humility.

He's a worse manager than Dalglish's second coming right about now. And he's too fucking deluded to even see it.

"Our pitch is not conducive to the way we want to play."

Fuck off.
 
If we've still got a knobhead committee choosing who the manager gets then I don't think it'd make a difference. FSG need to keep their noses out of the football side of things and let the manager or DOF run that side of things.
 
All the shit about the pitch was embarassing. First of all it gave the players a ready made excuse whenever the team didn't play well and badge of honour whenever they did do well. How many of them said 'yeah..we played well despite the pitch' or 'the pitch isn't great'. As if the teams we were playing on were a diffrent fucking pitch where the ball didn't bobble. United didn't seem to have too many problems with the pitch did they?
It would help of course if 8 out of 10 passes to a teammate (if it reached him) weren't half a yard behind him and 30% too hard. Even with simple things like throw ins were hopeless. I cringe when we have athrow in by our own goal line as you just know we'll cough the ball up and then be under pressure. Other teams don't seem to have this problem so why is it just us?
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I've said 'yay'.

Not because of the disaster-ish season we've just had but the players aren't responding to Rodgers. The players haven't suddenly become shite nor were they average players in the first place. They've got the talent but there is no fight in them and if that's lost and they won't play for the manager then the team won't perform.
 
I'm not that arsed but if he is sacked it'll be funny seeing how he'll react. That ego is fucking nuts... I reckon he might come back and shoot the place up. As for Klopp, I'm not sure I want him but I'd like it because of how pissed off every non LFC supporting mumford football fan will be. All the beardy pink pump wearing fannies love the twat.
 
He's won things - that should have been a prerequisite for a new LFC manager. He's experienced in Europe - ditto. He has an international profile - ditto. At worst he'll still be better than Rodgers.
Fuck man. His brother, Kloppeti, feels better than Rodgers....
 
I'm not that arsed but if he is sacked it'll be funny seeing how he'll react. That ego is fucking nuts... I reckon he might come back and shoot the place up. As for Klopp, I'm not sure I want him but I'd like it because of how pissed off every non LFC supporting mumford football fan will be. All the beardy pink pump wearing fannies love the twat.

He's a super emotional guy in interviews (not in the negative sense), which is refreshing and fun to watch, but maybe it's something that starts getting on your tits when he's managing your own team.

At least he doesn't come out with the 'look at me. I'm a tactical genius, so I am' bollocks that Rodgers still enjoys doing..
 
And before this drags on where it will inevitably go, it's ok to question the manager and question where we're going. It doesn't mean you're calling for him to be sacked, it doesn't make you a reactionary supporter, it doesn't make you any less of a fucking 'fan' than any other cunt.

Like most of you - I've had 20+ years now of five-year plans, of 'not getting the financial backing from the owners', of 'if X, Y & Z drop points and we win our games in hand then we're only 3 points off 4th', of 'a trophy would be good regardless of the trophy', of 35M on Andy Carroll, of watching our best players leave every year, of not being able to attract Europe's elite managers, of new systems, new tactics, the same fucking dilapidated stadium, of Dossena, Balotelli, Borini, and every other useless fucking Italian, of the pitch being shit, of god-fucking awful new balance and reebok strips, of Oyvinhd Leonhardsen types, of next year being our year, of 21 year olds turning down 100K a week, of growing up being the envy of Europe and watching us now lose out to Spurs, fucking Spurs, for players, of blaming referees, beachballs, handballs, moneyballs, Biscan's balls, of no justice for the 96, and ultimately of watching a once great club morph into a slightly more upmarket Everton.

We're not the envy of Europe, we're not even the envy of the Premier League, and despite enough self-congratulatory verbiage from the current manager to make me vomit out my fucking ears we've just been dicked - completely fucking dicked all over the park - by Tim Sherwood and Aston fucking Villa at Wembley with the world watching. Aston Villa, a pigs fucking ear of a club. And then we get told that "sometimes you want to win too much". Fuck right off.

You don't know anything about it Rodgers. You haven't had to sit through the overpromised and underdelivering shite we have for 25 years, cos if you did wouldn't patronise the soul of the club with shite like that.

I'm tired of supporting us. The rewards are few and far between. The supporters deserve better, and if that means questioning Rodgers, then so fucking be it. He deserves to be delivering more than he is.

I've no idea if Klopp or whomever is the answer, but I do know that continuing the way we are is most certainly not.
 
Playing for a Europa league place in April..

I would like Rodgers to get another year, I'd probably like us to miss out on Europa league football too, I think he'd have a much better chance of getting his shit in order with a dozen less games to play.
 
I think he'll get another season. He's on a recent deal, he's spent big, I don't see the owners wanting to get shut too quick, especially if we don't qualify for the CL, because we won't be that exciting a proposition for anyone looking to come in and spend relatively big.

I get the point that people are saying Rodgers hasn't learned lessons, fair enough - we're too brittle in confidence and style, when we're great and we have the ball and have our tails up, we can beat anyone, but we're also capable of imploding when a few players go off the boil, or injuries kick in. That's where he's fucked up, because the players in reserve just aren't anywhere near good enough and the players he's subsidized the team with, as first teamers have mostly been a mixed bag of inconsistency and the same brittle attitude that has plagued the rest of the team.

That said, our form over the 18 months prior to this one and during our recent 13 game spell, was title challenging stuff, so the promise is there, but he needs to toughen up and so do we. He needs to stop banging on about excuses, there aren't any, we've got it wrong this season and paid the price.

The squad isn't good enough because of junk like Markovic, Lovren and co. And the players who are good enough to play a part over the next few years, seem to have elevated themselves to superstar status, because of the junk they're surrounded with.
 
A manager who can't win the really big games isn't one worth having. And it's not like we play well in these big games and are unlucky, we just don't turn up.
 
I said a little while ago that we need to sign players who can't stand the idea of losing. We also need a manager who feels the same. I am happy with the idea of learning from mistakes if it actually happens, but with Brendan it seems that most defeats are just neat little learning experiences rather than filling him with rage. I don't want a Mourinho type bellend as a boss who is such a sore loser he blames everyone bar himself, but I do want someone who feels like he can't look himself in the mirror if we don't win a game.
 
I said a little while ago that we need to sign players who can't stand the idea of losing. We also need a manager who feels the same. I am happy with the idea of learning from mistakes if it actually happens, but with Brendan it seems that most defeats are just neat little learning experiences rather than filling him with rage. I don't want a Mourinho type bellend as a boss who is such a sore loser he blames everyone bar himself, but I do want someone who feels like he can't look himself in the mirror if we don't win a game.

Yup, this is what I said earlier with the idea of 2-3 Suarez's attitude wise ...
 
Yup, this is what I said earlier with the idea of 2-3 Suarez's attitude wise ...


It's right, but it needs to come from the club as well. We're stuck between 'this is a young team' and 'we are Liverpool'. Well, if we're going to continue to claim we're a massive club which is a big draw for players then we need to start acting like winning is the only thing. That's the mentality that should be handed down right from the top. It needs to apply to all tiers of the club. If we keep going down the line of 'we have a young team, they're still learning' then fine, but you can't then start claiming that we're anything but a finishing school for players with potential. You can't have both.
 
We'd have no chance of getting him if anybody decent wanted him.


The things in our favour is that Klopp wants to move to England, he wants a club where he can have an emotional connection with the club and the fans, which really means managing either Man Utd or Us. Man City are fixated on Guardiola (or, if they have any sense, Ancelotti), the other Mancs will be sticking with Van Gaal, Chelsea aren't going to get rid of Mourinho, and Arsene Wenger doesn't seem to be going anywhere for a few years. Liverpool and Man City are probably the best two options for Klopp if he wants to manage in England, and Man City probably don't want him.

That said, he wants to manage a club that is in the Champions League. And that won't be us. And I'm not sure we have a structure/ethos currently that will allow him to succeed.
 
He will get another season but with limited spend, he can't be trusted.

Too many pussy players, players like Allen, Markovic, Moreno, Manquillo etc they look like they don't care when they lose.
 
After yesterdays fiasco I'm not sure he'll get another year.
It will take some dramatic unrealistic push for 4th to ensure that.

FSG have been known to be ruthless and if Hongstein is right that Klopp would love to manage us one day we might see Rodgers leave.
Big summer ahead for the owners. Need to change the transfer committee and big questions will need to be asked regarding the manager,
 
I am starting to realise that the worst of my fears are becoming a reality and we are turning into Arsenal or at least the more recent "We develop kids, we play beautiful football, we are developing a new stadium so can't expect success,soft as shite" model.
 
He was dealt an awful hand by the transfer committee.

Having a whole to prepare for the loss of Suarez and the best options our transfer committee could come up with was Lambert and Balo.

He should get another year.
 
He was dealt an awful hand by the transfer committee.

Having a whole to prepare for the loss of Suarez and the best options our transfer committee could come up with was Lambert and Balo.

He should get another year.

you do know he is part of the transfer committee, he doesn't just get given the players....He is a s much to blame and he CAN veto any player he doesn't want.
 
Are the current players likely to improve sufficiently with BR next season to get trophies and qualifications?
 
you do know he is part of the transfer committee, he doesn't just get given the players....He is a s much to blame and he CAN veto any player he doesn't want.

We don't really know that last bit, and I'm not into shifting the blame from him, but that's speculative at best. There's clearly something amiss, going off how dismissive he's been of certain players.
 
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