I'm baffled. Is this a genuine conversation or not? I feel like you're just saying stuff to try to annoy me.
Poll Do you support England?
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Genuinely don't get the 'not while Hodgson is in charge' lark.
Much prefer to see our own players do well for England than see him fail. I don't give a fuck about Hodgson, one way or the other.
Much prefer to see our own players do well for England than see him fail. I don't give a fuck about Hodgson, one way or the other.
I didn't even know this was up for debate.
Nope
And that position was NEVER on the agenda when he was in charge of us. So national allegiance can be switched on & off, but not club allegiance (except for the odd weirdo)
I get the Hodgson bit in isolation, but we are well represented in the England side and (personally) I always want to see our players do well.
That's not fair! Lennox Lewis picked us. We didn't have a fucking choice!
Ok, I know they seem like sweeping generalisations, but based on the Irish I've met and I include the English Irish if you know what I mean - the ones born here but have a massive Irish heritage - I'd agree with Peter.
The anti English venom is palpable. Of course with what happened in Dublin in 94, we have haven't helped ourselves at all. Now, not all have been like this, and often it's good natured banter but why would an Irishman want us to win? I don't trust any Utd fan who says he has a soft spot for us or doesn't mind us. He's not a fucking Utd fan then is he!
Football is based on age old rivalries, it's what spices it up. I'm not talking about violence just that old fashioned dislike of your rivals or nearest and dearest.
I dont trust any Welsh, Irish or Scots who don't mind England. I'm waiting for the wind up,or the sucker punch!
All said with my tongue in my cheek!
Ps you over on Weds for Madrid?
Yea, I ll be there on Wednesday mate.
I assume I will catch up with you in the Harry afterwards?
I honestly believe that there has been a bit of shift in attitude towards England among Irish football supporters recently.
There are still plenty willing them to fail and wallowing in their misfortunes of course, but there are a sizeable, all be it a minority number of fans, who will wish them well and will follow their games.
I think the hypocrisy of following the Premiership. which is as you know huge in Ireland, while booing England has finally dawned on some fans and when you support a team with a number of players on show for England it is easier to be at worst neutral about the result.
It is a relatively recent change, and only my experience, but I do believe it is a genuine one and hopefully it is hear to stay.
The days of establishing your Irishness by being anti English are on the decline. Not dismissing the reality that it is still around though.
As for your expats who you Peter and others would come up against, it is only natural that they would hang on to the attitudes that prevailed when they were last here or their fathers/mothers were.I don't think their opinions are fully representative of all Irish football fans though.
At the moment I want England to fail whilst that Fuck wit is in charge..
Sadly is not going to happen any time soon.. Given the piss easy group they have been given..
Like a poster on here previously said, I am now hoping Operation Yew Tree come in for him
Sadly is not going to happen any time soon.. Given the piss easy group they have been given..
Like a poster on here previously said, I am now hoping Operation Yew Tree come in for him
Top, top post.
I think that most Irish folks of my age and younger now realise about as soon as they're old enough to recognise the difference between the world old songs and stories and the real world that we really don't get to worship at the alter of Anfield, or work for English based companies, or take holidays in England, etc... AND stiill wax lyrically about the evil empire just over the sea to our east.
John, you asked why we'd want England to win a tournament... While not pretending it'd thrill me to the core, I'd much rather have seen Stevie lift an international trophy over the past decade than most other international options. I'd much rather see a team consisting of several LFC players do well than not.
And somebody mentioned social media earlier... Good point and well taken, but I think it had a positive effect on this whole thing too... I think that much of the lessening of anti-English feeling amoung the more open-minded neighbours may have something to do with the growth of social media and forums such as this one, where we learnt that those thugs of the 80s and 90s were not representive of you lot and your attitudes, and that most of you detest your media as much as those of us who are not English do (as that was a huge part of it too, growing up). Many generations of Irishmen (and Scots and Welshmen, I'll wager) had the image of you lot ALL being budding Edward the Longshanks types... Now we know you're not, and even the most adamant anti-English voice no longer holds the weight it once did, and his viewpoint can be countered in a way it once could not.
You mean you needed social media to disabuse you of actual racist opinions about the moral character of English people?
I'd assumed Irish anti-Englishness was very largely just harmless tribal baiting of the local (formerly dominant) rival people, augmented by the bitter relationship between the countries of the last few hundred years, with no or very little underlying hatred or bigotry.
I'd assumed Irish anti-Englishness was very largely just harmless tribal baiting of the local (formerly dominant) rival people, augmented by the bitter relationship between the countries of the last few hundred years, with no or very little underlying hatred or bigotry.
Everyone in my family has a UK passport bar me. I have that theoretical possibility 🙂
There's no interpretation to make. You're claiming that a large proportion of Irish people until recently thought that English people were actually genuinely more thuggish, more reactionary, more bigoted than the average person.
That's a hell of a criticism to make of ordinary Irish people.
Just look at the crowds at Wembley. More worrying is the reason, from his viewpoint, why the numbers have collapsed after the World Cup.
I'm not claiming anything of the sort. You're determined to avoid what I obviously meant, so it's pointless discussing further.
[quote="Brendan4PM, post: 1198567] Lennox Lewis [/quote]
I think us Canadians lay a claim on that one too...
I think us Canadians lay a claim on that one too...
Patriotism in general is a funny one. I couldn't have cared less about England until I lived out of the sceptred isle for 7 years. When I returned I fucking loved it and the England football team. Home is home and its in a humans basic instinct to love your home. Strangely I find myself loving Ireland too. Maybe due to the generations of Red Astaires that all come from there. In many ways Ireland must count amongst the most beguiling and stunning places I've had the fortune to visit and without trying to sound too boasty. I have visited many.
I've got a mast with the flag of St George on my front lawn. Love it.
An Irish pal of mine at school (in England) told me I was honorary Irish through being born a Scouser. 😛
Yep, I'd agree with that.
Wanting the English team to lose is no longer something that is as common with the majority of fans. There's been a big shift in the past 5-10 years in opinions on it.
I'd say that the majority of people I know at least aren't in the "anyone but England" camp, they may not be 100% fans, which is fair enough. I couldn't say that 10 years ago.
Why do you take it down when I turn up?
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