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Was that what we were missing from lifting our 1st league title in 24 years? If that is the case surely thats our top priority?
 
There is no one change in personnel that would've definitely seen us win the title. We just need to be stronger overall. The team look exhausted mentally and physically and perhaps that ultimately took it's toll through mistakes.

That said, obviously there are some positions we need to look at more than others in the summer. I'd start with the fullbacks then move inwards.
 
Priorities have to be a powerful, mobile midfielder and a top-class full back. Borini coming back will boost up the strikers, Lucas can cover for Gerrard as holding player, but there's no-one to replace Henderson at present. With Coates, Illori and Wisdom coming back from loan, Kelly from injury we've more centre-halves than we can shake a stick at. There MUST be two of them can get a decent partnership going
 
We need a proper organizing defender and Captain to keep the team focused.

Shame Carra's in a suit and tie now and not shouting instructions all over.
 
We have numbers and some quality at CB but that's not all that counts. If none of them is going to be the kind of sergeant-major that Carra was back there for so long, that's another area we need to strengthen.

Just not Ashley firkin Williams. Please.
 
I'm gonna put this in my fucking signature. This has officially usurped 'whats your best 11' as the most annoying thing on this site.

WE DO NOT NEED A FUCKING DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER.

We don't. Stop typing it, stop thinking it, stop fucking imagining it. We have three players who can play that role; Gerrard, Lucas, Allen. Conveniently they can play that fucking role well too. Gerrard so long as he is alive as a human being will be picked to play in that role too.

What the fuck is the point in buying a 4th one?

Please someone explain that to me.

We have glaring holes in other parts of the side, yet people think we need a 4th fucking defensive midfield option.

Fuck this joke of a discussion.
 
Priorities have to be a powerful, mobile midfielder and a top-class full back. Borini coming back will boost up the strikers, Lucas can cover for Gerrard as holding player, but there's no-one to replace Henderson at present. With Coates, Illori and Wisdom coming back from loan, Kelly from injury we've more centre-halves than we can shake a stick at. There MUST be two of them can get a decent partnership going

Llana.. Done deal according to some...
 
That is a simplistic view. Better defending would have won us the title. The margins are thin.
 
I'd love us to sign Javi Martinez from Bayern.

I think we need some more power in the team. A player physically capable of competing with likes of Matic, Toure and Fernandinho. He can also double up as a CB too.
 
Not sure about that. It's one priority, but it won't be enough if we don't get properly organised at the back, and I'm not sure a fullback is as well placed to do the organising as a CB.
 
I'd love us to sign Javi Martinez from Bayern.

I think we need some more power in the team. A player physically capable of competing with likes of Matic, Toure and Fernandinho. He can also double up as a CB too.


Yup. He's also decent with the ball at his feet and capable of making the sort of runs Yaya Toure made when he was a DM/CB at Barca.

Quality versatile player. Sadly, don't think we have much chance of getting him and not sure he'd come here either.
 
I'm gonna put this in my fucking signature. This has officially usurped 'whats your best 11' as the most annoying thing on this site.

WE DO NOT NEED A FUCKING DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER.

We don't. Stop typing it, stop thinking it, stop fucking imagining it. We have three players who can play that role; Gerrard, Lucas, Allen. Conveniently they can play that fucking role well too. Gerrard so long as he is alive as a human being will be picked to play in that role too.

What the fuck is the point in buying a 4th one?

Please someone explain that to me.

We have glaring holes in other parts of the side, yet people think we need a 4th fucking defensive midfield option.

Fuck this joke of a discussion.


Lucas is garbage, Allen looked out of place in DM, much better suited further up in the triangle and stevie G is getting on.....
 
For all the shite Johnson gets, him getting forward without the ball adds a massive amount to our game, finding a young full back who can do what he does will not easy.

Our full backs are told to push up & expose the centre backs, I doubt they'll ever look good except when we're attacking, but without them doing so we couldn't move forwards nearly as well.

It's rare to see a full back make himself available as often as Johnson does so high up the pitch, & when Sterling is in front of him that means he will always be targeted down that side.

I would like better, cos he doesn't do it consistently anymore, but I don't think finding that player is easy, or that he can be replaced by simply anyone.
 
We need to ship a few players but replace them with much better quality than those being shipped.
 
We need to ship a few players but replace them with much better quality than those being shipped.

A few players?! Squad players? Cos I can't name more than three I'd definitely drop from our first team side, never mind get rid of.

We need more players, not less or the same number, so we need to see even better come in & the others fight for their place in cup games & be ready to replace others when injured.

We're gonna most likely narrowly miss out on the title, there's no need to panic & make wholesale changes.
 
For all the shite Johnson gets, him getting forward without the ball adds a massive amount to our game, finding a young full back who can do what he does will not easy.

Our full backs are told to push up & expose the centre backs, I doubt they'll ever look good except when we're attacking, but without them doing so we couldn't move forwards nearly as well.

It's rare to see a full back make himself available as often as Johnson does so high up the pitch, & when Sterling is in front of him that means he will always be targeted down that side.

I would like better, cos he doesn't do it consistently anymore, but I don't think finding that player is easy, or that he can be replaced by simply anyone.

Agree. IF we could strengthen overall by replacing him, fair enough - go ahead and do it, but I don't think it's a given that we would or even can.
 
For all the shite Johnson gets, him getting forward without the ball adds a massive amount to our game, finding a young full back who can do what he does will not easy.

Our full backs are told to push up & expose the centre backs, I doubt they'll ever look good except when we're attacking, but without them doing so we couldn't move forwards nearly as well.

It's rare to see a full back make himself available as often as Johnson does so high up the pitch, & when Sterling is in front of him that means he will always be targeted down that side.

I would like better, cos he doesn't do it consistently anymore, but I don't think finding that player is easy, or that he can be replaced by simply anyone.
I think the fact we have had the likes of Flanagan, Wisdom and Kelly fill in the past couple of years and not looked any worse at the back tells you all you need to know about the strengths of our full backs.

I have defended Johnson for years on here, but the mistakes and weak defending outweigh the positive attacking play these days.

Id definately focus on full back this summer. Then if we have the finances a box to box midfielder to take the oressure off Henderson. Who by the way will be fucking amazing next year.
 
Again.... where is this powerful midfielder going to play?

Ok - so, maybe there is an argument for replacing one of 3 we currently have that can play in that position - but as Ryan says - surely there are other gaps that need plugging before we start replacing players.
 
Again.... where is this powerful midfielder going to play?

Ok - so, maybe there is an argument for replacing one of 3 we currently have that can play in that position - but as Ryan says - surely there are other gaps that need plugging before we start replacing players.
We will play at least 6 more matches next year. Hopefully a few more in the cups aswell. We need quality bringing in to challenge and rest Henderson, Sterling, Coutinho etc.
Oh and we need a good keeper.
 
I think the fact we have had the likes of Flanagan, Wisdom and Kelly fill in the past couple of years and not looked any worse at the back tells you all you need to know about the strengths of our full backs.

I have defended Johnson for years on here, but the mistakes and weak defending outweigh the positive attacking play these days.

Id definately focus on full back this summer. Then if we have the finances a box to box midfielder to take the oressure off Henderson. Who by the way will be fucking amazing next year.

Let's agree to differ then. IMO Flanno's not really a stand-in any more and we *have* looked worse when Wisdom played there. I rate Kelly more highly than some on here, but he's been injury-prone and not reliable for that reason if no other. Nor will it help to strengthen on the wings if we're still not organised in the centre or across the back four as a whole, whereas better organising *could* have a beneficial effect on our fullback play.
 
Players I'd drop from the supposed first Xi :

Johnson. He's shit

Flanno : he's back up and been exemplary, but shouldn't be starting games

Coutinho: frustrating when not on form. Wastes a lot of opportunities. Can offer a lot, but he needs to do it more consistently.
 
How many CB's do we have at the moment?
How many games have people complained we didn't have enough defensive cover when Lucas was injured, and since he's been back he's been shit? Remember when M'Villa was linked people thought he could be that player that could shield the defense.
 
We will play at least 6 more matches next year. Hopefully a few more in the cups aswell. We need quality bringing in to challenge and rest Henderson, Sterling, Coutinho etc.
Oh and we need a good keeper.

Well.... surely we start with replacing the 2 we have on loan - so that's a LB & a LW.

I think we need another midfielder to supplement the Henderson-Coutinho-Allen positions, and we need a dominant CB to sort that defence out.

A RB to challenge Johnson would be good.

You can see why Konoplyanka, Lallana & Richards are getting mentioned.

Then we get in to the trickier questions - Can Borini replace Aspas - which youngsters to we keep, loan or sell. Is Lucas spent?
 
Again.... where is this powerful midfielder going to play?

Ok - so, maybe there is an argument for replacing one of 3 we currently have that can play in that position - but as Ryan says - surely there are other gaps that need plugging before we start replacing players.

Lallana for example would play instead of Coutinho, or come on for him when he's not being effective.
 
We definetly need a central midfielder. Henderson has been sorley missed in the last 3 games.
Lucas can still be involved as a back up for Gerrard but should not play in the position he's been used lately.
 
We need players all over the pitch. We need 2 fullbacks, 2 CM's(one b) playmaker and another who's box to box), a winger, goalkeeper and striker. Obviously we cant afford all of those this summer. But a backup to hendo, gerrard (id sell lucas), competition for coutinho and replacement for johnson is a necessity this summer IMO.
 
Instead of playing the midfield 3 like this:

Gerrard....Lucas
........Hendo


Couldn't we play it like this?

.........Proper DM
Gerrard.......Hendo
 
Cheers for the sympathy, knew the piss taking would start as soon as Benny Bent, Ryan and the gang seen my thread.
Gerrard doesnt have the legs to play that role anymore. Plus rodgers doesnt want a DM that just defends and nothing more. Wants us to defend as a team.
 
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