Daily rumour roundup (Skrtel, Papa, Borini, Matri)

[Stulikesdrums]

Maybe 7 is a bit to cheap for Skrtel, but not by a whole lot. 8-10 mil is about right. He's not very good and he's probably on decent wedge too.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Also, a bit of chat on Twitter that a fee has been agreed for Papa @ €16mil

 

[Fabio]

He was our player of the season the other year wasn't he?

Lucas is still dining off similar accolades with some fans.

Skrtel, like agger, needs someone next to him.

There is very very little between skrtel and agger

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Yeah, and Agger ain't very good either.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Ok, we'll "not very good" is wide of the mark but we will not get back into the top four with a first choice CB pairing of Skrtel & Agger. They both have too many flaws in their game.

 

[peterhague]

See, I'm always sceptical of these analyses of individual defenders. Agger, and Skrtel in particular, must've gone through about 3 or 4 periods of either being shit, mediocre, or among the best defenders in England just in 6 or 7 years. I don't really buy it.

Isn't it probably just more to do with having a coach who's good at organising a defence? Or at the very least one who prioritises it or even just plays a certain way that suits some defenders but not others.

Skrtel being worth £25m last summer and £8m this is just a fucking nonsense.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

You are right, it is nonsense. Skrtel has never been worth anything like £25 million.

 

[Mystic]

Apparently Skrtels move is another fucking loan.

 

[dmishra]

Hasn't Rodgers already said that we won't be making any more signings for the defence?

Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers says he doesn’t need to add another player to his defence this summer thanks to the ‘terrific’ form of Kolo Toure.
The Ivorian moved to Anfield earlier this summer on a free transfer, as Rodgers looked to add experience to his defensive line following the retirement of club stalwart Jamie Carragher. And the Reds boss says 32-year-old Toure has been in such good form he doesn’t need to worry about bolster his back-line any further before the new season.
‘Defensively, I think we’ll be fine,’ Rodgers said. Kolo has been terrific since he came in here. He may be 32 years of age but he’s super fit and in great condition.
‘He’s a player who has looked after himself all his life. His age is no barrier and he’s someone with a winning mentality.
‘We have a number of other outstanding centre-halves in Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel. We also have an up-and-coming top talent in Andre Wisdom who will be a very good centre-half for Liverpool in the future. And we still have Sebastian Coates too.’

Meanwhile Toure, drafted in to replace Carragher as an experienced head at the back, admits it will be tough for him to fill the former England international’s boots at this season.
‘I’m still really hungry for more. I still think I can bring more in football,’ he said.
‘This season is going to be massive for me. I will just try to show that I am still one of the best defenders. For a defender, 32 is nothing and physically I feel great. ‘It’s hard [to replace Carragher] because Jamie is Jamie. He was a fantastic player for Liverpool and in his time here, he was amazing.
‘For me, I just like to try to do things my way and I will try to do what I can, but I think it’s going to be really difficult to replace him. I will give my all and it’s going to be a great challenge for me.’

 

[keniget]

Apparently Skrtels move is another fucking loan.

That'd be extremely disappointing.

As for people who keep saying our defenders are garbage... can you please list off the 20 or so amazing defenders that are better than them?

There aren't that many defenders around these days who most would agree upon being world class.

 

[Delinquent]

Perhaps the acquisition of Papa is dependent on the sale of Skrtel. We'd still have the same number of defenders.

In any case, I wouldn't read too much into those comments.

 

[FoxForceFive]

If we keep loaning out high wage players I'm gonna think these rumours about the club being up for sale are true.

It makes no sense loaning out a player you don't want back, it almost always reduces their value.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Apparently Skrtels move is another fucking loan.

Please be fucking joking.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

There aren't that many defenders around these days who most would agree upon being world class.

They don't have to be world class to be better than Skrtel and/or Agger.
There's us picking up Toure on a free from Man City's bench and he'll comfortably compete for game time against Skrtel & Agger. That shows the level these lads are at. Not terrible but not good enough. Even a 35/36 year old in his final season ended up playing the last 6 months of the season.

 

[localny]

Apparently Skrtels move is another fucking loan.

if it is, for me, it's an indicator FSG are looking to sell. It has to be all about the wage bill for these guys, so they can get a higher sale value. Too much loaning of higher value players.

 

[Delinquent]

Is it not possible that we're struggling to find buyers for some of our higher-paid players, and that we feel we can improve the team with players who cost less?

 

[Modo]

It's a fucking joke, Napoli has tons of cash to spend. they should easily be able to buy Skrtel.

 

[FoxForceFive]

If we keep loaning out high wage players I'm gonna think these rumours about the club being up for sale are true.

It makes no sense loaning out a player you don't want back, it almost always reduces their value.

if it is, for me, it's an indicator FSG are looking to sell. It has to be all about the wage bill for these guys, so they can get a higher sale value. Too much loaning of higher value players.

What's the name of the local paper in Liverpool again?

 

[Modo]

if it is, for me, it's an indicator FSG are looking to sell. It has to be all about the wage bill for these guys, so they can get a higher sale value. Too much loaning of higher value players.

It's more likely that we're looking to sign high wage earners.

 

[keniget]

They don't have to be world class to be better than Skrtel and/or Agger.
There's us picking up Toure on a free from Man City's bench and he'll comfortably compete for game time against Skrtel & Agger. That shows the level these lads are at. Not terrible but not good enough. Even a 35/36 year old in his final season ended up playing the last 6 months of the season.

Perhaps but it does seem in the case of Skrtel that there is more to the story than loss of form.

 

[juniormember]

See, I'm always sceptical of these analyses of individual defenders. Agger, and Skrtel in particular, must've gone through about 3 or 4 periods of either being shit, mediocre, or among the best defenders in England just in 6 or 7 years. I don't really buy it.

Isn't it probably just more to do with having a coach who's good at organising a defence? Or at the very least one who prioritises it or even just plays a certain way that suits some defenders but not others.

Skrtel being worth £25m last summer and £8m this is just a fucking nonsense.

Ding ding ding!

 

[Frogfish]

if it is, for me, it's an indicator FSG are looking to sell. It has to be all about the wage bill for these guys, so they can get a higher sale value. Too much loaning of higher value players.

Sorry but that's just ridiculous. Do you not think that any potential buyer would see through such a transparent move if in the end the club was really up for sale ? I don't believe it is, not when we are now moving forward, and if we make the CL next year that would add substantially to the bottom - line price.

 

[Rosco]

Indeed Froggie.

Loaning a player makes no difference to a sale, it does however make room for someone else to come in

 

[Stulikesdrums]

It also hasn't been confirmed if there are any loan fees involved.
We got a loan fee for Andy Carroll and then that turned into a permanent transfer.
Hopefully these two loan deals to Napoli have similar contractual agreements.

 

[Gary25]

Indeed Froggie.

Loaning a player makes no difference to a sale, it does however make room for someone else to come in

We miss out on the £10m or so Skrtel's rated at?

 

[Modo]

Loans usally work out as long as you're not dealing with Italians.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

We miss out on the £10m or so Skrtel's rated at?

How many bids have we received?

 

[Gary25]

It also hasn't been confirmed if there are any loan fees involved.
We got a loan fee for Andy Carroll and then that turned into a permanent transfer.
Hopefully these two loan deals to Napoli have similar contractual agreements.

They may turn into permanent transfers but that's fuck all use to us now at a time when we need to raise funds to improve the team.

 

[Gary25]

How many bids have we received?

I don't know but obviously Napoli are in for him and during negotiations for the player we could have let them no we're looking a certain fee.

 

[Hansern]

Apparantly in talks with Dnipro re Konoplyanka.
Now that would be an ace signing if true!
Some Ukrainian media outlet who is reporting it.