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Covering gaping holes

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The most impressive thing about Roy's start has been his tendency to do the blatantly obvious. Too many times last season we looked disjointed and holes were made in the team thanks to not going for the startling obvious choices in the lineup.

Even when players were missing, like Torres, there were times when people were calling for us to play one defensive midfielder, drop Gerrard into the centre and play Aqua or Yossi in the hole. It never happened and because the balance was completely wrong in the middle of the pitch it had a devastating effect on the rest of midfield and our attacking play. Ditto the left back problem, one player caused so many issues across the backline by being caught out of position constantly. Johnson is ultra attacking too which just added to the problem and the centre backs were continuously exposed and made to look worse than they actually are.

So despite a few additions this term, in reality the actual depth of the squad isn't THAT different, a few sensible decisions have been made, a few players have returned from injury, the dross has been sold (more or less) and replaced either with incoming players or the couple of youngsters we were crying out to see more of last season, like Kelly and Pacheco.

So all in all, it begs the question whether the problems last season were solely down to a lack of squad depth or just as much down to a lack of positive thinking and making sense of the situation. It seems the problems were magnified by the manager over-complicating issues on the pitch.

This is our current squad by position and who can cover what. I'm not suggesting we don't need a left back and striker and the odd addition here and there, but it doesn't look half as bad or thread bare as it seemed a few months ago (bare in mind that some players cover a few positions too):

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Goalkeepers: Reina, Jones

Right Back: Johnson, Kelly, Carragher

Centre Back: Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, The Greek, Ayala, Wilson.

Left Back: Aurelio, Agger, Wilson, Kelly

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Defensive midfield: Poulsen, Lucas, Spearing. (I don't particularly rate Spearing, and it's clear Mashers days may be numbered so for arguments sake I'll leave him out)

Centre midfield: Gerrard, Aquilani, Lucas

Attacking midfield/hole: Gerrard, Joe Cole, Aquilani, Pacheco

Right attack: Kuyt, Maxi, Pacheco

Left attack: Johanovic, Joe Cole, Babel, Pacheco, Maxi

Striker: Torres, N'Gog, Kuyt, Jovanovic


Clearly we look very likely to at least add a striker to that and maybe even a left back, much hinging on Mascherano who could also end up staying, but by and large, it's not that bad, given the versatility of a lot of those players, the biggest issue I guess will be how we fare with injuries this season, with the likes of Aurelio, Agger, Johnson, Gerrard, Torres, Cole and Aquilani all having fairly poor injury records.

That said, with a bit of luck on that front we could be in for a very successful season, regardless of the depth of City's squad, the team has to gel first and foremost and our first XI is largely VERY good.
 
I argued the case last year that another striker wasn't essential so long as we either played Dirk up front on his own, supported by Gerrard, or played a 442 with N'gog and Dirk.

Benitez played the inexperienced N'gog on his own up top against really good defenders and he couldn't handle it, all the while Dirk was on the right-wing, keeping Yossi on the bench, or on the left, away from his best position.

It should have been

-----------Kuyt---N'gog----
--Riera--Gerrard--Masher--Yossi-

Or

----------Kuyt--------
--Riera--Gerrard---Yossi--
--------Mash--Lucas-------

But as we all know, Benitez went mental and made gaps in our side turn into gigantic craters.

Bentiez went:


------------N'gog-----------
Yossi----Gerrard-----Kuyt--
---------Lucas--Mash--------

Which is shit.
 
Pretty much yeah. Personally, last season, I didn't think either Kuyt or N'Gog were upto the task as a lone front man. Kuyt made a good job of it against Spurs, but the team itself were under enormous pressure by then to put in a blood and guts performance. To compensate for the lack of Torres we should have put both up there together and reshuffled the midfield, with either Maxi or Yossi on the right, ANYONE on the left and Gerrard reverting to centre mid alongside Masher.
 
We've played a pub side over 2 legs and 1 league game so far. It's too early to get carried away just yet.

God knows what we'll do if/when Gerrard gets injured. There's not alot of quality in the middle without him.
 
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=41508.msg1157209#msg1157209 date=1282225698]
We've played a pub side over 2 legs and 1 league game so far. It's too early to get carried away just yet.

God knows what we'll do if/when Gerrard gets injured. There's not alot of quality in the middle without him.
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Heh, I'm not getting carried away by results, I just said the most impressive thing is he's stuck to the basics. No one said we're gonna win the league, I just think half the job is getting the basics right, and last season we were all over the place on that score.
 
I don't think Kuyt up front on his own works because he doesn't have the phsyical attributes required. If the midfield can keep the ball and get close to him, he'd have a chance, but last season he'd have been lost at sea.

As far as this season goes, well there does seem to be a lot more positivity, but you'd expect that with any change really - it brings optimism that things will get better. It'll be interesting to see how the season develops and which players / system Hodgson settles on because he does have choices to make.

As for the squad overall, there hasn't been that much action, true. The only players we've sold so far can't be classed as dross as Yossi was certainly a contributing squad player and Riera might have been (at least last season). Joe Cole along with Jovanovic will hopefully provide more quality in attack, but unless we see one or two good players coming in before the "transfer window slams shut", we'll be more than likely relying on the fitness of Torres and Gerrard once again.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41508.msg1157211#msg1157211 date=1282225811]
The only players we've sold so far can't be classed as dross as Yossi was certainly a contributing squad player and Riera might have been (at least last season).
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Yeah, I was referring more to Degen and Dosenna. Yossi was a very good player and I was sad to see him go, him AND Cole would have given us alot more versatility and depth.
 
I´d say clearly we need a dm if Mascherano leaves! Then a lb and perhaps a striker.
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=41508.msg1157226#msg1157226 date=1282227751]
I´d say clearly we need a dm if Mascherano leaves! Then a lb and perhaps a striker.
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We just bought a DM.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41508.msg1157249#msg1157249 date=1282229497]
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=41508.msg1157226#msg1157226 date=1282227751]
I´d say clearly we need a dm if Mascherano leaves! Then a lb and perhaps a striker.
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We just bought a DM.
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Poulsen isn´t good enough to replace Mascherano and we were talking about gaping holes. Hopefully we bought Poulsen so Lucas goes down in the pecking order or as a replacement for him.
 
Poulsen is Mascher's replacement. The rest of the money (if we end up selling Mascher) will be spent on a LB and a striker. I'd have thought that was obvious.
 
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=41508.msg1157209#msg1157209 date=1282225698]
We've played a pub side over 2 legs and 1 league game so far. It's too early to get carried away just yet.

God knows what we'll do if/when Gerrard gets injured. There's not alot of quality in the middle without him.
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Too true but the fact remains that IF aquilani can come good (a big IF) then really we are not that different to the side which did play so well the season before last. Mark is right there is definitely hope on the pitch, not much but definitely some. i would still feel a whole lot happier if we get a decent second striker in.

we wont though.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41508.msg1157212#msg1157212 date=1282226301]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41508.msg1157211#msg1157211 date=1282225811]
The only players we've sold so far can't be classed as dross as Yossi was certainly a contributing squad player and Riera might have been (at least last season).
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Yeah, I was referring more to Degen and Dosenna. Yossi was a very good player and I was sad to see him go, him AND Cole would have given us alot more versatility and depth.
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I doubt we would have gone for Cole if Yossi had stayed.

I like to see Jova start; powerful, can hold on to the ball under great pressure, and always seems to find his man. Jova with Gerrard, Torres & two from Cole, Maxi, Pacheco & Kuyt is a physically strong forward line.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41508.msg1157254#msg1157254 date=1282229888]
Poulsen is Mascher's replacement. The rest of the money (if we end up selling Mascher) will be spent on a LB and a striker. I'd have thought that was obvious.

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Obvious yes, I´m just hoping...but still: Imo we have a big hole if Maschernao leaves. That was my point.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41508.msg1157262#msg1157262 date=1282230539]
I read somewhere that Roy wants to see Babel upfront as a striker.
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The fact he's playing him there tonight strongly suggests so.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41508.msg1157264#msg1157264 date=1282230682]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41508.msg1157262#msg1157262 date=1282230539]
I read somewhere that Roy wants to see Babel upfront as a striker.
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The fact he's playing him there tonight strongly suggests so.
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Is he playing him there? It'd be interesting to see, I thought he'd play Jovanovic upfront though. Either way the front four are fairly interchangeable, position wise.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41508.msg1157264#msg1157264 date=1282230682]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41508.msg1157262#msg1157262 date=1282230539]
I read somewhere that Roy wants to see Babel upfront as a striker.
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The fact he's playing him there tonight strongly suggests so.
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So it will be 4-4-2 then?
 
I've been told he's playing babel upfront, nothing else. The lad that told me hardly ever tells me anything though so I've no idea how reliable that is.

Personally I thought he'd play Jovanovic there.
 
We can cope with the gaping holes. The problem last season was Rafa taking his eye off the prize and getting involved in Boardroom politics. We had largely the same squad as the prior season where we finished runners-up with a major difference being confidence. Last season we were shorn of it and the results and injuries compounded matters.

Roy is doing the obvious and shouldn't be applauded for that. It's his job. He should be applauded for getting results and getting us back to the top. I must admit that it is refreshing that he is doing the obvious because Rafa didn't!
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=41508.msg1157300#msg1157300 date=1282233630]
I've been told he's playing babel upfront, nothing else. The lad that told me hardly ever tells me anything though so I've no idea how reliable that is.

Personally I thought he'd play Jovanovic there.
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Well played to your source, sir.
 
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=41508.msg1158316#msg1158316 date=1282328969]
Another gaping hole to cover.
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Aquilani? Anyone can sit on the bench 😉
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41508.msg1158320#msg1158320 date=1282329242]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=41508.msg1158316#msg1158316 date=1282328969]
Another gaping hole to cover.
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Aquilani? Anyone can sit on the bench 😉
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:laugh: True.

I guess it's Shelvey's arse then.
 
Holes? We have alot of them!


-------------------Reina--------------
Johnson-Carragher-Skrtel-HOLE
HOLE----HOLE-Gerrard----HOLE
------------------Cole--------------
-------------------Torres----------

Bench:
GK HOLE (as I wouldn´t be happy if our back up has to play in the EPL)
LB Aurelio
CB Agger
RB Kelly
DM Poulsen
RM: Maxi/Kuyt
LM: Jovanovic
CM HOLE
AM HOLE
S HOLE
 
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