Clint Dempsey

[irishred]

I'm not entirely against him, but I can see the cons:

He's nearly 30.
His value is at it's absolute highest right now and regardless of whether he's good or bad, we'll never ever recoup that so it's dead money.
Why are none of Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, etc in for him?
Couldn't we spend 10M on a 20 year old?
Who's he ever done well for, Fulham? Big fish, small pond.

I agree his value is at it's highest, but unfortunately that's the story of our incoming transfers for the past couple of years. He's only got a year left on his contract though, and his value is decreasing by the day, i'd hope 6-8m would be reasonable enough for both clubs. Fulham won't want him to walk away for free next summer when they could easily receive a decent fee now to reinvest, so it's up to Clint whether he really wants the move.

It is strange that other top Premier League clubs haven't been rumoured to be interested in him but they may have made enquires that we just don't know about, plus they have an abundance of midfield options we could only wish to have. Yeah, he's 29, though if we can get 2 or 3 quality seasons out of him like the way he's been performing at Fulham then i'll be happy enough, then hopefully by that stage Shelvey, Suso or whoever will be ready to claim a regular spot.

I think the last comment is a bit unfair as he can only give his best for the team he's playing for. He's done pretty well at his former club New England Revolution, helping them to two MLS Cup Finals in three years. With his national team also, scoring in successive World Cup finals, netting against Spain in the Confederations Cup to get to the Final whilst receiving the bronze ball in a tournament littered with star names, then retaining the Player of the Year trophy at Fulham this year. He can only do what's asked of him.

....and he's also broke the cheekbone of John Terry and Phil Jones what's not to like.

 

[Ryan]

I agree his value is at it's highest, but unfortunately that's the story of our incoming transfers for the past couple of years. He's only got a year left on his contract though, and his value is decreasing by the day, i'd hope 6-8m would be reasonable enough for both clubs. Fulham won't want him to walk away for free next summer when they could easily receive a decent fee now to reinvest, so it's up to Clint whether he really wants the move.

Mate, that's the point - I want us to completely avoid the transfer mistakes we've made for the last few years.

Why are we thinking of spending close to 10M on someone who's out of contract in 1 year, is approaching 30 years of age, and who's never in his entire career played at the top level?

It's insanity.

 

[irishred]

Mate, that's the point - I want us to completely avoid the transfer mistakes we've made for the last few years.

Why are we thinking of spending close to 10M on someone who's out of contract in 1 year, is approaching 30 years of age, and who's never in his entire career played at the top level?

It's insanity.

It's the price that worries me too, not the player as such. If we could possibly recruit him for around the same fee Tottenham got Parker last Summer or swap Charlie Adam/Aquilani or both, i'd be quite happy.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I'm not entirely against him, but I can see the cons:

He's nearly 30.
His value is at it's absolute highest right now and regardless of whether he's good or bad, we'll never ever recoup that so it's dead money.
Why are none of Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, etc in for him?
Couldn't we spend 10M on a 20 year old?
Who's he ever done well for, Fulham? Big fish, small pond.

I am also not convinced he'll be able to succeed as much with Liverpool because unlike with Fulham and the US, he won't be 'the man' and will have defensive responsibilities etc (i.e. no free role).

 

[Dreambeliever]

Which is why you spent yesterday talking about the individual players you want to see "shipped out" eh Dreamy.

Yep players that do not fit BR football passing style.
I'll give BR the benefit of the doubt that he wants to bring players that will suit his formation and style.

None of the players I mentioned yesterday would fit his playing style from what I've seen of them and Swansea.

 

[LarryHagman]

Clint Dempsey wouldn't be the first transfer target I had but the prospect of him, Borini, Suarez, Bellers etc. buzzing round up front is an infinitely better prospect than hoping Downing can land one on Carroll's head.

 

[dmishra]

Clint Dempsey wouldn't be the first transfer target I had but the prospect of him, Borini, Suarez, Bellers etc. buzzing round up front is an infinitely better prospect than hoping Downing can land one on Carroll's head.

That may be so, but it'd still be a massively underwhelming signing. We're far better served splashing the money on someone a decade younger.

 

[LarryHagman]

That may be so, but it'd still be a massively underwhelming signing. We're far better served splashing the money on someone a decade younger.

Not many 19 year olds score 23 goals a season though.

 

[dmishra]

Well, doesn't have to be exactly a decade younger 😉

In any case, the point is there are much younger, potentially world-class players we could buy for 10 million.

 

[Delinquent]

I'm surprised people keep going on about his age.

29 is fine. As for performing well at LFC? Again I think people forget we are about to see a totally different LFC to what we are used to.

How many people rated any of the Swansea players before last year? Or even now?

It's not about individual talent its about the overall team and results.

Rodgers can sign and sell whoever he likes as long as we play the football Swansea played and get results.

No, he can't. Have you been under a rock for the last few months?

 

[Delinquent]

Not many 19 year olds score 23 goals a season though.

Neither does Dempsey, in fairness. He had the best season of his career last season, at 29. He might have another one or two left in him, but it's all downhill from there. He doesn't fit the owners' blueprint at all.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Signing an non-young player who has had the best season of his career, meaning his value has sky-rocketed, is exactlty what we used to do. I hope we've stopped.

That's not to say he wouldn't be a half decent player for us, but to sign him when his value is at it's highest would be crazy.

 

[RedZeppelin III]

Neither does Dempsey, in fairness. He had the best season of his career last season, at 29. He might have another one or two left in him, but it's all downhill from there. He doesn't fit the owners' blueprint at all.

and what is this blueprint ? Did bellamy fit it ? Does Gerrard at 32 or carragher at 34 fit ? People bang on about blueprints or moneyball but i've not seen our owners dictate anything to be done differently than we did before or other clubs do . Everybody out there is looking for value for money and young talented players who will become shit hot , be worth loads and bring success to the club . Since they've been here we've bought players of all ages and prices with the aim as always , that they are good players . Comolli and dalglish lost their jobs because the players they bought were shite .

 

[Delinquent]

and what is this blueprint ? Did bellamy fit it ? Does Gerrard at 32 or carragher at 34 fit ? People bang on about blueprints or moneyball but i've not seen our owners dictate anything to be done differently than we did before or other clubs do . Everybody out there is looking for value for money and young talented players who will become shit hot , be worth loads and bring success to the club . Since they've been here we've bought players of all ages and prices with the aim as always , that they are good players . Comolli and dalglish lost their jobs because the players they bought were shite .

Stevie and Carra are legends of the club, and under contract with us. I'm talking about our transfer strategy, for which there have been very clear statements about going forward. And it's bleeding obvious that Comolli and Dalglish wasted a lot of money, particularly on Downing, who doesn't fit the strategy at all.

 

[mark1975]

It'd be pretty naive of us to stick stringently to that structure, we have to have some leeway.

 

[LarryHagman]

Neither does Dempsey, in fairness. He had the best season of his career last season, at 29. He might have another one or two left in him, but it's all downhill from there. He doesn't fit the owners' blueprint at all.

That's true. But given that our track record of signing 'potential world class' players when they are available for a song, and turning them into players capable of even thinking about scoring 23 goals in a season, is approximately zero, the blueprint needs to be flexible.

 

[Delinquent]

I share your concerns Larry, but it's a new manager, so I think we have to place our trust in him until he gives us reason not to. Rodgers unearthed a few gems at Swansea, so I don't think it's out of the question to suggest he could do the same for us. I certainly don't think we should be spending inflated sums on aging pros (particularly players who only represent a marginal improvement), just because we're scared by past failures.

 

[Glen C]

rodallega has joined fulham. dempsey replacement maybe?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

rodallega has joined fulham. dempsey replacement maybe?

or pavel or andy johnson etc

 

[Sunny]

rodallega has joined fulham. dempsey replacement maybe?

Yep

 

[themn]

So....Dempsey's coming to Liverpool ?

 

[Fabio]

Hmm

 

[Glen C]

looks like a front 3 of dempsey, suarez and borini next season then.

 

[Fabio]

Bitterly underwhelmed if he's coming for more than 4m.

 

[OLD_Lewy]

Bitterly underwhelmed if he's coming for more than 4m.

yup

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Bitterly underwhelmed if he's coming for more than 4m.

it will be closer to 10 ... 🙁

 

[OLD_Lewy]

if we buy another player and theyre decent besides dempsey then i wont be too arsed

 

[Hansern]

As long as the fee is 5-6 mill then fine.

How will we set up with him in the team?

His performance at Anfield and Craven Cottage impressed me, so that means he'll be shite for us.

 

[irishred]

Welcome to 2012....

You know 4m will barely buy you a decent 3rd/4th tier player these days (Powell, Nathan Lowton, Delph, Simon Cox). Nevermind one who was 4th top scorer last season in the Premier division.

 

[Judge Jules]

Rodgers likes to play 4-3-3 and get his wide attacking players to come infield and go for goal. If Dempsey signs I'd imagine he'll do that job on the left, and/or play in the middle sometimes as stand-in for Suarez or whoever gets that gig most of the time.