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Piedro

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If we progress on Thursday and Tottenham beat Bolton on Saturday, we have basically got a European Final coming up, and our chance of 4th has gone.

Get the reserves out for that game on Sunday and rest all the 1st teamers. Fergusons face would be a picture, and he cant say bugger all about it as Wolves rested allsorts of players against the Mancs earlier on in the season.

Do it.
 
Fuck that....

I don't want United winning fuck all let alone number 19 but ffs... we are losing sight of things here. Being a Liverpool fan, i've always thought, was about cheering the team on to do their best through thick and thin.

Fuck Chelsea i hate Chelsea, FUCK United doubly so, but hating the other teams more enough to want my own to lose is just shabby really, in fact it's fucking arse...

It would make us fucking Wolves to rest players... bollox to that...

Try and win every single game to the end of the season and thats the end of it, if the Mancs win it then... whoop dee doo they won a shit title in a poor season... congratulation and fuck off... i'm not giving them my fucking football soul into the bargain.
 
rooney's speech has really tested my resolve but I still want a liverpool win regardless if spurs win. all my life I've wanted liverpool to win every game I'm not about to change now.
 
We wouldnt be doing that at all. We'd have a Europa League final coming up, and nothing to play for in the league. Fulham have been in this situation for 2 months. Resting players in the league every game.

Fuck them, if other teams can rest players with big games coming up, why cant we?

We wouldnt be too pleased if we lost a vital player to injury on Sunday, especially if the game doesnt really matter to us.

Plus i'd love to see Fergusons face if we did do that.
 
TBH even with a our normal squad who actually believes we'll win? Torres injured, players exhausted from thursday and more potential injuries with that match whilse chelsea have a week off and have just come off the back of a 7-0 victory. Confidence is high and they're trying to win the league, which some of those players have done, so pressure or nerves shouldn't be too much of an issue


If we can win i hope we do, but i can't see it
 
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39958.msg1093789#msg1093789 date=1272355932]
Then again, she'll kick my head in if we do
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I'll kick your head in too.
 
A thinly veiled 'European final' excuse of a reason to field a weakened team.

I'm still on the fence about this one.



But, I still can't contemplate Liverpool FC getting knocked off our perch.
 
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=39958.msg1093786#msg1093786 date=1272355822]
We wouldnt be doing that at all. We'd have a Europa League final coming up, and nothing to play for in the league. Fulham have been in this situation for 2 months. Resting players in the league every game.

Fuck them, if other teams can rest players with big games coming up, why cant we?

We wouldnt be too pleased if we lost a vital player to injury on Sunday, especially if the game doesnt really matter to us.

Plus i'd love to see Fergusons face if we did do that.
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IMO you are not thinking clearly. Firstly the fact that other teams have rested players is not relevent, we are LFC and should think a little bit bigger than Wolves.

Secondly, yes just imagine Fergies face, imagine the smug little fucker harping on and on and on about it for years to come about how he was right about us all along and we really are sad bunch of fucking losers.... think about it... I don't want that Ginsoak cunt having a single seconds chance to think he's better than we are. Not one.

If it means we have to prove it by handing him the title then so fucking be it. If they win the title then big fucking deal... we go and win the next ten and get our lead back... FUCK EM.... thats the game.
 
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=39958.msg1093792#msg1093792 date=1272355978]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39958.msg1093789#msg1093789 date=1272355932]
Then again, she'll kick my head in if we do
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I'll kick your head in too.
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ah shite
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39958.msg1093794#msg1093794 date=1272356177]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=39958.msg1093786#msg1093786 date=1272355822]
We wouldnt be doing that at all. We'd have a Europa League final coming up, and nothing to play for in the league. Fulham have been in this situation for 2 months. Resting players in the league every game.

Fuck them, if other teams can rest players with big games coming up, why cant we?

We wouldnt be too pleased if we lost a vital player to injury on Sunday, especially if the game doesnt really matter to us.

Plus i'd love to see Fergusons face if we did do that.
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IMO you are not thinking clearly. Firstly the fact that other teams have rested players is not relevent, we are LFC and should think a little bit bigger than Wolves.

Secondly, yes just imagine Fergies face, imagine the smug little fucker harping on and on and on about it for years to come about how he was right about us all along and we really are sad bunch of fucking losers.... think about it... I don't want that Ginsoak cunt having a single seconds chance to think he's better than we are. Not one.

If it means we have to prove it by handing him the title then so fucking be it. If they win the title then big fucking deal... we go and win the next ten and get our lead back... FUCK EM.... thats the game.
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Who gives a shit what Ferguscum thinks about us?

Do you think he cares what we think of him?
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39958.msg1093794#msg1093794 date=1272356177]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=39958.msg1093786#msg1093786 date=1272355822]
We wouldnt be doing that at all. We'd have a Europa League final coming up, and nothing to play for in the league. Fulham have been in this situation for 2 months. Resting players in the league every game.

Fuck them, if other teams can rest players with big games coming up, why cant we?

We wouldnt be too pleased if we lost a vital player to injury on Sunday, especially if the game doesnt really matter to us.

Plus i'd love to see Fergusons face if we did do that.
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IMO you are not thinking clearly. Firstly the fact that other teams have rested players is not relevent, we are LFC and should think a little bit bigger than Wolves.

Secondly, yes just imagine Fergies face, imagine the smug little fucker harping on and on and on about it for years to come about how he was right about us all along and we really are sad bunch of fucking losers.... think about it... I don't want that Ginsoak cunt having a single seconds chance to think he's better than we are. Not one.

If it means we have to prove it by handing him the title then so fucking be it. If they win the title then big fucking deal... we go and win the next ten and get our lead back... FUCK EM.... thats the game.
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I’d laugh my cock off at whatever that prick has to say. They have won plenty of trophies over the years with teams resting players against them, and teams rolling over for them (with former Manchester United players in charge of them funnily enough).

I don’t want them to win 19, I don’t want them to win 4 on the trot (never been done) and I don’t care if they deserve it and I don’t care if it makes me sound bitter.

I fucking hate those cunts more than I can express with words, and we have got a chance to fuck them over good and proper. Get it done.
 
I want us to win but i know id feel otherwise if i saw Neville lifting another league title a week later. Ugh.
 
From The Times

We do not know if Rafael Benítez has voted yet in the Liverpool fans’ poll that asks, with a straight face, “should we field a weakened team on Sunday?†But we can be sure that Sir Alex Ferguson will regard it as the most outrageous supporter survey since the Manchester Evening News asked its readers “should Fergie be sacked?†shortly before he embarked upon the 1995-96 season that brought them the Double.

Field a weakened side against Chelsea? Concede the game and effectively gift the Barclays Premier League title to Carlo Ancelotti’s team? What about integrity and fair competition?

These will be Ferguson’s thoughts. The intriguing question is whether he will dare to air them before Sunday and risk the charge of the most appalling hypocrisy.

Liverpool’s line-up on Sunday can be decided by only one man, and Benítez may want his strongest possible team if he is looking over his shoulder at Everton and/or truly believing that fourth place, and qualification to the Champions League, is still achievable. With each Premier League place worth at least £750,000, he might weigh up the income (although it is questionable whether he will be around to spend it).

But it is equally plausible that he could wake up on Sunday morning with very little to play for in the domestic campaign — and perhaps with the Europa League final to save his players for.

Should Everton fail to win away to Stoke City on Saturday, Liverpool will be guaranteed a top-seven finish and entry into Europe. And if Tottenham Hotspur beat Bolton Wanderers at White Hart Lane, also on Saturday, then the idea of fourth would seem out of reach except to the greatest optimist. Liverpool would be stuck.

In that case, giving a break to a few players against Chelsea would be quite normal practice and might pass with little comment except for the fact that, this being a potential championship-deciding afternoon, it will cause a mighty hullabaloo about integrity and fairness with the added spice that United are attempting to overtake Liverpool and win a record nineteenth English championship.

There would be plenty to discuss on the subject, including the history of weakened teams, which goes back beyond 1971, when Bill Shankly’s Liverpool were fined £7,500, and farther still than 1970, when Don Revie’s Leeds United were docked £5,000 for fielding reserves.

This season it flared up as a contentious issue when Wolverhampton Wanderers were handed a suspended £25,000 fine for making ten changes against United, the first time a penalty had been imposed for such a breach for 17 years. The fine was an attempt by the Premier League to make a statement about how much weakening was acceptable, but an unconvincing one. In the era of rotation, it remains a harder case to prove. As for the moral argument, that horse long since bolted.

Ferguson, for his own sound reasons, was among those who let open the stable doors by deciding that what is best for United outweighs all other considerations. When other clubs have hoped United might give a game their full attention, he has not always been able to oblige. Some Manchester City fans still have not forgiven him for the team he picked back in May 2001, that included Michael Stewart, Luke Chadwick and Ronnie Wallwork, for the visit of Derby County. “We saw their team and thought we had a little chance,†Jim Smith, the Derby manager, said.

He was proved right. Derby celebrated the most unlikely victory at the home of the champions, securing their top-flight status at City’s expense, and the joking between Ferguson and Smith at the final whistle still rankles among blue die-hards.

Then there was the resting by Ferguson of senior players including Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney and Ruud van Nistelrooy at home to West Bromwich Albion towards the end of the 2004-05 season, and the improbable draw at Old Trafford that helped Bryan Robson’s side to safety.

Most notoriously, Neil Warnock will never shed the bitterness he feels having seen Ferguson rest more than half his first team against West Ham United on the final day of the 2006-07 season. Carlos Tévez scored and Sheffield United were relegated.

Ferguson was looking after United in every case, and will make no apologies for that. Few neutrals condemned him for it. No doubt he will be equally understanding when questions about Benítez, integrity and team selection are put to him before Sunday.

BREAKING NEWS: Liverpool team to face Chelsea just in. 1 Ken Dodd, 2 Cilla Black, 3 Bob Carolgees, 4 Sonia, 5 Jimmy Corkhill, 6 Derek Hatton, 7 Mimi Maguire, 8 Holly Johnson, 9 Sinbad the window cleaner, 10 Spit the dog and, of course, 11 Lucas Leiva.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39958.msg1093798#msg1093798 date=1272356416]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39958.msg1093794#msg1093794 date=1272356177]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=39958.msg1093786#msg1093786 date=1272355822]
We wouldnt be doing that at all. We'd have a Europa League final coming up, and nothing to play for in the league. Fulham have been in this situation for 2 months. Resting players in the league every game.

Fuck them, if other teams can rest players with big games coming up, why cant we?

We wouldnt be too pleased if we lost a vital player to injury on Sunday, especially if the game doesnt really matter to us.

Plus i'd love to see Fergusons face if we did do that.
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IMO you are not thinking clearly. Firstly the fact that other teams have rested players is not relevent, we are LFC and should think a little bit bigger than Wolves.

Secondly, yes just imagine Fergies face, imagine the smug little fucker harping on and on and on about it for years to come about how he was right about us all along and we really are sad bunch of fucking losers.... think about it... I don't want that Ginsoak cunt having a single seconds chance to think he's better than we are. Not one.

If it means we have to prove it by handing him the title then so fucking be it. If they win the title then big fucking deal... we go and win the next ten and get our lead back... FUCK EM.... thats the game.
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Who gives a shit what Ferguscum thinks about us?

Do you think he cares what we think of him?


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I'm sure the way he and his team are considered is of the upmost importance to him, just as the way my team is considered is important to me. Think what you like it's your right but I'm fucked if i'm gonna start wanting my team to lose after 30 years of watching them. If the scenario is such that we cant get fourth by the time the game rolls around then i want us to give absolutely everything to try and beat Chelsea, if we don't win so be it. Opting to lose would cost us far more than 3 points.
 
BREAKING NEWS: Liverpool team to face Chelsea just in. 1 Ken Dodd, 2 Cilla Black, 3 Bob Carolgees, 4 Sonia, 5 Jimmy Corkhill, 6 Derek Hatton, 7 Mimi Maguire, 8 Holly Johnson, 9 Sinbad the window cleaner, 10 Spit the dog and, of course, 11 Lucas Leiva.

having said all that from up here on the moral highground... that is quality!! :laugh:
 
[quote author=Tal link=topic=39958.msg1093805#msg1093805 date=1272356953]

From The Times

We do not know if Rafael Benítez has voted yet in the Liverpool fans’ poll that asks, with a straight face, “should we field a weakened team on Sunday?†But we can be sure that Sir Alex Ferguson will regard it as the most outrageous supporter survey since the Manchester Evening News asked its readers “should Fergie be sacked?†shortly before he embarked upon the 1995-96 season that brought them the Double.

Field a weakened side against Chelsea? Concede the game and effectively gift the Barclays Premier League title to Carlo Ancelotti’s team? What about integrity and fair competition?

These will be Ferguson’s thoughts. The intriguing question is whether he will dare to air them before Sunday and risk the charge of the most appalling hypocrisy.

Liverpool’s line-up on Sunday can be decided by only one man, and Benítez may want his strongest possible team if he is looking over his shoulder at Everton and/or truly believing that fourth place, and qualification to the Champions League, is still achievable. With each Premier League place worth at least £750,000, he might weigh up the income (although it is questionable whether he will be around to spend it).

But it is equally plausible that he could wake up on Sunday morning with very little to play for in the domestic campaign — and perhaps with the Europa League final to save his players for.

Should Everton fail to win away to Stoke City on Saturday, Liverpool will be guaranteed a top-seven finish and entry into Europe. And if Tottenham Hotspur beat Bolton Wanderers at White Hart Lane, also on Saturday, then the idea of fourth would seem out of reach except to the greatest optimist. Liverpool would be stuck.

In that case, giving a break to a few players against Chelsea would be quite normal practice and might pass with little comment except for the fact that, this being a potential championship-deciding afternoon, it will cause a mighty hullabaloo about integrity and fairness with the added spice that United are attempting to overtake Liverpool and win a record nineteenth English championship.

There would be plenty to discuss on the subject, including the history of weakened teams, which goes back beyond 1971, when Bill Shankly’s Liverpool were fined £7,500, and farther still than 1970, when Don Revie’s Leeds United were docked £5,000 for fielding reserves.

This season it flared up as a contentious issue when Wolverhampton Wanderers were handed a suspended £25,000 fine for making ten changes against United, the first time a penalty had been imposed for such a breach for 17 years. The fine was an attempt by the Premier League to make a statement about how much weakening was acceptable, but an unconvincing one. In the era of rotation, it remains a harder case to prove. As for the moral argument, that horse long since bolted.

Ferguson, for his own sound reasons, was among those who let open the stable doors by deciding that what is best for United outweighs all other considerations. When other clubs have hoped United might give a game their full attention, he has not always been able to oblige. Some Manchester City fans still have not forgiven him for the team he picked back in May 2001, that included Michael Stewart, Luke Chadwick and Ronnie Wallwork, for the visit of Derby County. “We saw their team and thought we had a little chance,†Jim Smith, the Derby manager, said.

He was proved right. Derby celebrated the most unlikely victory at the home of the champions, securing their top-flight status at City’s expense, and the joking between Ferguson and Smith at the final whistle still rankles among blue die-hards.

Then there was the resting by Ferguson of senior players including Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney and Ruud van Nistelrooy at home to West Bromwich Albion towards the end of the 2004-05 season, and the improbable draw at Old Trafford that helped Bryan Robson’s side to safety.

Most notoriously, Neil Warnock will never shed the bitterness he feels having seen Ferguson rest more than half his first team against West Ham United on the final day of the 2006-07 season. Carlos Tévez scored and Sheffield United were relegated.

Ferguson was looking after United in every case, and will make no apologies for that. Few neutrals condemned him for it. No doubt he will be equally understanding when questions about Benítez, integrity and team selection are put to him before Sunday.

BREAKING NEWS: Liverpool team to face Chelsea just in. 1 Ken Dodd, 2 Cilla Black, 3 Bob Carolgees, 4 Sonia, 5 Jimmy Corkhill, 6 Derek Hatton, 7 Mimi Maguire, 8 Holly Johnson, 9 Sinbad the window cleaner, 10 Spit the dog and, of course, 11 Lucas Leiva.
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Brilliant piece that.

Ferguscum can kiss my fucking arse if he talks about 'fairness' if we field a weakened team.
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39958.msg1093808#msg1093808 date=1272357106]
BREAKING NEWS: Liverpool team to face Chelsea just in. 1 Ken Dodd, 2 Cilla Black, 3 Bob Carolgees, 4 Sonia, 5 Jimmy Corkhill, 6 Derek Hatton, 7 Mimi Maguire, 8 Holly Johnson, 9 Sinbad the window cleaner, 10 Spit the dog and, of course, 11 Lucas Leiva.

having said all that from up here on the moral highground... that is quality!! :laugh:
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Quite a strong team there I think and as (minor) celebs they shouldn't be too overawed by the pressure of the occasion.

Hatton on the left side is going to improve things there, for sure.
Johnson is bound to get in behind the full-backs somehow and should manage some balls into the box.
Black is probably a surprise package.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39958.msg1093793#msg1093793 date=1272356106]
But, I still can't contemplate Liverpool FC getting knocked off our perch.
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How come? You've only had 20 years to prepare for it.
 
I don't want to cheer against our team, but if we rest up some players for the final and don't manager to beat Chelsea I will learn to live with it. When we got to Istanbul we rotated heavily and fielded some pretty rank teams away to Palace and Southampton (and got beat both games) and I don't recall too many Reds being upset about it at the time.
 
If Spurs have won, with us being 5 points behind, then seriously why bother? Rest the main men for hopefully a final appearance, and wind up that cunt. I am with my brother.
 
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=39958.msg1093786#msg1093786 date=1272355822]
We wouldnt be doing that at all. We'd have a Europa League final coming up,


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now THERE'S presumption in action
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39958.msg1093808#msg1093808 date=1272357106]
BREAKING NEWS: Liverpool team to face Chelsea just in. 1 Ken Dodd, 2 Cilla Black, 3 Bob Carolgees, 4 Sonia, 5 Jimmy Corkhill, 6 Derek Hatton, 7 Mimi Maguire, 8 Holly Johnson, 9 Sinbad the window cleaner, 10 Spit the dog and, of course, 11 Lucas Leiva.


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we've resigned diouf?! 😱
 
I'm going to have to agree given that we wouldn't have anything to play for in the league. We would normally rest players so we shouldn't treat it differently because of the game.
While we had a chance of 4th the idea sickened me, but 4th is gone and Everton won't catch us, so I would rest players if needs be.
That said I'm not sure we can beat Atletico given Torres and Kuyt and Maxi are unavailable and Rafa won't play Aquilani and Babel is a fucking shithouse etc.
 
I haven't got the figures to check, but I'm pretty sure finishing one place higher in the league would be worth more financially than winning th Europa.

Not that it should make a difference but I bet it does.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39958.msg1093867#msg1093867 date=1272360629]
I'm going to have to agree given that we wouldn't have anything to play for in the league. We would normally rest players so we shouldn't treat it differently because of the game.
While we had a chance of 4th the idea sickened me, but 4th is gone and Everton won't catch us, so I would rest players if needs be.
That said I'm not sure we can beat Atletico given Torres and Kuyt and Maxi are unavailable and Rafa won't play Aquilani and Babel is a fucking shithouse etc.

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I think he will especially if kuyt doesn't recover in time.
 
If Spurs beat Bolton then we can still get 4th i think. Taking this into account i have now changed my mind (strongest team please Rafa).
 
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