Capello resigns

[irishred]

[quote author=jono@home link=topic=48619.msg1479660#msg1479660 date=1328743546]
This job is made for Rafa..
No transfers to fuck up.. And he can get on with what he once did best..

Being a tactical Genious of a football manager.. without trying to do everything else..

Rafa is one of the best Cup Tournament Managers there is.. His record speaks for itself..

Harry on the other hand 1 trophy in 25 years..
[/quote]

If i was English i'd go for Benitez because he tends to win his trophies early on in a job apart from his last season at Valencia. He knows England's best player in Steven Gerrard inside-out. He is a tactical genius and superb at knock-out football.

1997–1999 Extremadura (Segunda División Promotion: 1997–98)
2000–2001 Tenerife (Segunda División Championship: 2000–01)
2001–2004 Valencia (La Liga: 2001–02, 2003–04; UEFA Cup: 2003–04)
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2010 Internazionale (Supercoppa Italiana: 2010; FIFA Club World Cup: 2010)

 

[mark1975]

his tweet was mentioned about Capello and about wanting an English manager. Keane said, well he should have played better for him then and not got himself involved in some of the things he did. He went on to say Rooney should keep his mouth shut and when a new manager comes in he should try playing better.

 

[The Slugmonster]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48619.msg1479684#msg1479684 date=1328746081]
his tweet was mentioned about Capello and about wanting an English manager. Keane said, well he should have played better for him then and not got himself involved in some of the things he did. He went on to say Rooney should keep his mouth shut and when a new manager comes in he should try playing better.
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Damn right. I cant stand Keane but he sure has said some cutting things about folk at Old Toilet recently, things other pussy pundits havent the stones to say. I think Rafa would be a great shout on a temporary basis.....actually scratch that, we'll give you guys Trappatoni and we'll take Rafa. He'd love having Robbie Keane again 😛

 

[RedZeppelin]

I'd be surprised if Rafa got the job ....i don't think he's too popular with other English fans . There seems to be this opinion that he completely failed here , lost the mind games to Fergie , plays negative tactics , zonal marking blah , blah . I mean i remember a while ago when he was linked to Villa and their fans were moaning about it ....i mean i'm not a massive fan of his but he's more than good enough to manage villa , villa for fucks sake !! .
But more importantly for the English job , the media don't like him , they'll only want 'Arry . And the English football media have this crazy influence on the English manager's role . If they don't like someone they'll make the job impossible . I read an article yrs ago about them , proper fucking old boys club they are .

 

[localny]

The English want an English manager, why should Roffa be embarrassed not to get it? Jaysus. Capello is some dinosaur if he thinks his right to appoint is bigger than the racism issue. Good night Irene

 

[Farkmaster]

Capello didn't give a shit and is probably happy to be done with it, even if it was one of the easier jobs he's ever had.

 

[jexykrodic]

If you appoint a Manager and then fail to consult him on decisions that will affect his team selections then it is entirely right for Capello to seek a reversal to maintain his status as in charge of team affairs.

As the Directors obviously have undermined his position it's entirely right that Capello resign.

Only the question of compensation for constructive dismissal and the appointment of a new Manager remain.

 

[LarryHagman]

Bet Daniel Levy is raiding his kids piggy banks now to entice Maureenio.

 

[Richey]

Its bound to be Harry isn't it? Can't even think who realistically might be on the FA's shortlist.

They would be wary of Benitez I'm sure. And quite rightly given the mess the FA appears to be generally. He'd be a problem to them from day one.

The only other person who's been mentioned is old Roy and he's shit. Mind you part of me would like to see him get the job. Maybe a few more people would understand what we had to put up with then.

 

[Woland]

The media hasn't been this convinced about a single nominee for the roll since Kevin Keegan. Another Englishman who never won a single thing.

 

[Athens]

Alf Ramsey. Arry Redknapp. They have the same initials! It's written in the stars!

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=48619.msg1479720#msg1479720 date=1328766913]
Capello didn't give a shit and is probably happy to be done with it, even if it was one of the easier jobs he's ever had.
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Was looking at his record last night on the news, his win ratio is the best over the last 5 managers (Sven was 60%, Capello 67%)

I never rated him that highly, despite his record, he always struck me as too much of a nice guy and the way we played in the World Cup should have seen any manager walk, but once again, like Sven, his record in qualifiers is impeccable.

We should just keep employing managers to get us there and then using a motivator (an El Tel) or a manager with good cup pedigree (A Rafa) when we get there.

 

[Insignificance]

I advocated that Capello was not the man to make England happy. Somehow I feel he has delivered ordinary. Win ratio is good, but they have had very good draws for qualifying groups also. I guess he has kept the fans quite happy at times, but nowhere delivered an end product when it comes to tournaments.

You can't beat the tabloids in England anyway. Whatever team you pick it will always be more focus on the ones you didn't pick. So the midfield should rather contain Lamps and Gerrards rather than a stabilisator that can balance the team. To manage England must be the toughest job around, because of the media, the hype, the expectation and the limited quality you have to work with.

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48619.msg1479684#msg1479684 date=1328746081]
his tweet was mentioned about Capello and about wanting an English manager. Keane said, well he should have played better for him then and not got himself involved in some of the things he did. He went on to say Rooney should keep his mouth shut and when a new manager comes in he should try playing better.
[/quote]

And Roy Keane is spot on here.

Rooney shouldn't be spouting off about people he wants publicly, especially those who are contracted elsewhere. We all know Redknapp will get the gig but it shouldn't be down to which of the players want him, it should be down to who is most qualified and available.

 

[Jack D Rips]

In the past week Rooney seems to think he should be on the FA disciplinary and manager selection committees

 

[spider-Neil]

crappello was was fucking unbelievably shit. his tactics at the world cup were nonsensical and when we were being dry humped by germany he did nothing to address the balance. good fucking riddence. I don't want a tactical genius I just want someone COMPETENT.

 

[themn]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48619.msg1479772#msg1479772 date=1328782485]
crappello was was fucking unbelievably shit. his tactics at the world cup were nonsensical and when we were being dry humped by germany he did nothing to address the balance. good fucking riddence. I don't want a tactical genius I just want someone COMPETENT.
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[Jürgen4PM]

So he's shite yet had the best record of any England manager?

 

[FoxForceFive]

Redknapp will pick the likes of Lampard, Ferdinand, terry & all the other old guard who have won fuck all.

We need to blood young players, & I don't think Harry will do that.

Rafa is the better choice in every way imaginable. In fact, mourinho is the obvious choice, rafa second. The media are obsessed with him being English cos 'we've tried foreign managers & it didn't work', well you ignorant myopic cunts, we've tried English managers & that didnt work either.

The job should be based on how successful the manger has been, inc working with other managers players & winning. Rafa tops that quality.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=48619.msg1479778#msg1479778 date=1328783785]
So he's shite yet had the best record of any England manager?
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post the his stats for games in the actual competition rather than qualifiers.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48619.msg1479780#msg1479780 date=1328783848]
Redknapp will pick the likes of Lampard, Ferdinand, terry & all the other old guard who have won fuck all.

We need to blood young players, & I don't think Harry will do that.


[/quote]

you're speculating 🙂

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48619.msg1479783#msg1479783 date=1328784211]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=48619.msg1479778#msg1479778 date=1328783785]
So he's shite yet had the best record of any England manager?
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post the his stats for games in the actual competition rather than qualifiers.
[/quote]

He's only been manager for one, the record reads, played four lost one. The one he lost was when they had a goal wrongly disallowed at 2-1 down.

 

[spider-Neil]

I love how the press and pundits always like to think England should be up there with the world's best teams. That somehow England are part of the elite. Despite winning the World Cup on home soil once, their record in international tournaments suggests that England is really amongst the also-rans. Consider this.

There have been 19 different World Cups since 1930. England didn't enter until 1950 so missed the first 3. They also failed to qualify in 1974, 1978 and 1994, meaning that they've only taken part in 13 out of 19 World Cups.

Of those 13 World Cups they've participated in, they've been knocked out in the first group stage twice. In 1982 they got knocked out in the second group stage (without winning a game). So England have reached the knockout stages in 10 of their 13 World Cups.

Of those 10 World Cups where England have competed in the knockout stages, they've been eliminated in their first knockout game 5 times. That leaves 5 remaining World Cups where they haven't bitten the bullet when things start to get interesting.

Of those remaining 5 World Cups, their record in the knockout stages is as follows:

- won 3 games in 1966 against Argentina, Portugal and West Germany (after extra time)
- won 1 game in 1986 against Paraguay
- won 2 games in 1990 against Belgium and Cameroon (both after extra time)
- won 1 game in 2002 against Denmark
- won 1 game in 2006 against Ecuador

So essentially, England have won 8 knockout games in 13 World Cup appearances, 3 of which needed extra time. When it's gone to penalties they've never won a game at the World Cup. Only in 1966 have England beaten what you'd call the strongest teams in the knockout stages. Only in 1966 and 1990 have England reached the last 4.

England's European Championship record is even grimmer than that. Of the 13 tournaments so far since 1960, England didn't enter the first one, and didn't qualify for 5 others, meaning they've played in 7 out of 13 tournaments (it would be 8 in 14 if I count this year's tournament which hasn't been played yet).

Of those 7 tournaments, they've been knocked out in the group stage on 4 occasions. They've reached the knockout stages on 3 occasions, but they've only won ONE knockout game. And that was in 1996 against Spain. On penalties. The only time England have ever won in a shoot-out. They've finished in the top 4 on only 2 occasions, in 1968 (when the tournament consisted of 4 teams playing semi finals and the final) in 1996, when they reached the semis.

To sum up then, England have played in 20 major international tournaments. Of those 20, they've reached the last four on just 4 occasions, winning just the one tournament. They've reached the knockout stages in 13 of those 20 tournaments, and won 9 knockout games, one of which was on penalties.

In 62 years of competitive international tournament football, England have won NINE knockout games.

Tell me, how exactly are England part of the elite?

interesting post. well, we can start to put that record right by having a competent mananger in charge 😉

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48619.msg1479783#msg1479783 date=1328784211]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=48619.msg1479778#msg1479778 date=1328783785]
So he's shite yet had the best record of any England manager?
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post the his stats for games in the actual competition rather than qualifiers.
[/quote]

Don't start digging another one of your famous holes Neil.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=48619.msg1479788#msg1479788 date=1328785204]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48619.msg1479783#msg1479783 date=1328784211]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=48619.msg1479778#msg1479778 date=1328783785]
So he's shite yet had the best record of any England manager?
[/quote]

post the his stats for games in the actual competition rather than qualifiers.
[/quote]

Don't start digging another one of your famous holes Neil.
[/quote]

his record for qualifiers was excellent, in fact better than any other england matter but when it came to the crunch...

that's like praising a manager for qualifying for the CL and getting through the group stages but mearly saying 'meh' when you get booted out in the very first knock out round.

 

[Fabio]

Neil, nearly every manager england have had have been cunt at world cups

They're not a particularly good team

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Blaming the manager every single time isn't going to make you suddenly a better team.

 

[spider-Neil]

we're coming down to ross arguement that managers make fuck all difference. well I don't believe that and if I did what's the point of watching your national team if you think they are going to do fuck all?

 

[themn]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=48619.msg1479793#msg1479793 date=1328785752]
Neil, nearly every manager england have had have been cunt at world cups

They're not a particularly good team
[/quote]

This, but in Neil's chalboard mind........who fucking knows ?

 

[themn]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=48619.msg1479793#msg1479793 date=1328785752]
Neil, nearly every manager england have had have been cunt at world cups

They're not a particularly good team
[/quote]

This, but in Neil's chalboard mind........who fucking knows ?