why would harry give up spurs who are almost certainly assured a place in the CL? I can think of 6 million reasons why.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48619.msg1479964#msg1479964 date=1328811583]
why would harry give up spurs who are almost certainly assured a place in the CL? I can think of 6 million reasons why.
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Just think of all the tax he can avoid paying with that!
why would harry give up spurs who are almost certainly assured a place in the CL? I can think of 6 million reasons why.
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Just think of all the tax he can avoid paying with that!
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48619.msg1479964#msg1479964 date=1328811583]
why would harry give up spurs who are almost certainly assured a place in the CL? I can think of 6 million reasons why.
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Just think of all the tax he can avoid paying with that!
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It will be an interesting discussion when the FA has to send his wages to Cayman Island... Also who will be the first player to be sent down to the England reserves??
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48619.msg1479964#msg1479964 date=1328811583]
why would harry give up spurs who are almost certainly assured a place in the CL? I can think of 6 million reasons why.
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Just think of all the tax he can avoid paying with that!
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It will be an interesting discussion when the FA has to send his wages to Cayman Island... Also who will be the first player to be sent down to the England reserves??
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48619.msg1479958#msg1479958 date=1328809655]
Capello was right to walk. Whatever you think of Terry, he's not been found guilty of anything as yet and shouldn't have been stripped of the captaincy. The truth is, he should never have been given it back in the first place.
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Yes he was, and it's not even a case of whether he has been found guilty or not. Team selection is down to the manager and its up to him who he wants as his captain. It has to be that way.
If he had taken this interference its only a small step to them telling him who should be captain instead and ultimately who should be in the team.
No self respecting manager would accept those kind of conditions
Capello was right to walk. Whatever you think of Terry, he's not been found guilty of anything as yet and shouldn't have been stripped of the captaincy. The truth is, he should never have been given it back in the first place.
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Yes he was, and it's not even a case of whether he has been found guilty or not. Team selection is down to the manager and its up to him who he wants as his captain. It has to be that way.
If he had taken this interference its only a small step to them telling him who should be captain instead and ultimately who should be in the team.
No self respecting manager would accept those kind of conditions
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48619.msg1479958#msg1479958 date=1328809655]
Capello was right to walk. Whatever you think of Terry, he's not been found guilty of anything as yet and shouldn't have been stripped of the captaincy. The truth is, he should never have been given it back in the first place.
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agree he should not have been given it, but think it was right to remove the captaincy. you see it everyday for example in politics, where a minister in position of responsibility a la capello, resigns when implicate din conduct unbecoming of his post.
Capello was right to walk. Whatever you think of Terry, he's not been found guilty of anything as yet and shouldn't have been stripped of the captaincy. The truth is, he should never have been given it back in the first place.
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agree he should not have been given it, but think it was right to remove the captaincy. you see it everyday for example in politics, where a minister in position of responsibility a la capello, resigns when implicate din conduct unbecoming of his post.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48619.msg1479964#msg1479964 date=1328811583]
why would harry give up spurs who are almost certainly assured a place in the CL? I can think of 6 million reasons why.
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You're being naïve if you think the FA will pay Redknapp the same amount as Capello.
And, no, it won't be more.
why would harry give up spurs who are almost certainly assured a place in the CL? I can think of 6 million reasons why.
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You're being naïve if you think the FA will pay Redknapp the same amount as Capello.
And, no, it won't be more.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48619.msg1479964#msg1479964 date=1328811583]
why would harry give up spurs who are almost certainly assured a place in the CL? I can think of 6 million reasons why.
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You're being naïve if you think the FA will pay Redknapp the same amount as Capello.
And, no, it won't be more.
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He probably won't be offered as much but if he is their number one choice - as I am sure he is - then he can pretty much name his price. They won't get him on the cheap.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48619.msg1479964#msg1479964 date=1328811583]
why would harry give up spurs who are almost certainly assured a place in the CL? I can think of 6 million reasons why.
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You're being naïve if you think the FA will pay Redknapp the same amount as Capello.
And, no, it won't be more.
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He probably won't be offered as much but if he is their number one choice - as I am sure he is - then he can pretty much name his price. They won't get him on the cheap.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48619.msg1479982#msg1479982 date=1328815372]
Do people think the FA's decision was prompted by moral or commercial sensibilities?
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No idea - probably a bit of both.
Do people think the FA's decision was prompted by moral or commercial sensibilities?
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No idea - probably a bit of both.
Whether or not it was right to strip Terry of the captaincy, it should not have been done unilaterally. Capello position was untenable after that.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48619.msg1479985#msg1479985 date=1328816391]
Whether or not it was right to strip Terry of the captaincy, it should not have been done unilaterally. Capello position was untenable after that.
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Yes, but he's never in the country, always on holidays doesn't speak the lingo and didn't try to learn, and his translator/liaison left (Baldini). So you can see why they did it. He should just get over himself. The issue is bigger than his authority.
Whether or not it was right to strip Terry of the captaincy, it should not have been done unilaterally. Capello position was untenable after that.
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Yes, but he's never in the country, always on holidays doesn't speak the lingo and didn't try to learn, and his translator/liaison left (Baldini). So you can see why they did it. He should just get over himself. The issue is bigger than his authority.
Probably quiffing, but spidey, capello made the knockout stages in 100% of competitions he was in.
And re centre backs being pulled out of position, terry just decided to go up field, leading to the 3rd (?) goal, yet Barry and capello get te blame.
And re centre backs being pulled out of position, terry just decided to go up field, leading to the 3rd (?) goal, yet Barry and capello get te blame.
I'm not one of the Northern Irish fans that hate England, I fact I treat them with indifference (with the exception of the Liverpool players), however if they hire Stuart Pearce on a permanent contract I will laugh my head off. Seeing Rooney thanklessly chase long ball after long ball will amuse me greatly.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=48619.msg1479995#msg1479995 date=1328818670]
Probably quiffing, but spidey, capello made the knockout stages in 100% of competitions he was in.
And re centre backs being pulled out of position, terry just decided to go up field, leading to the 3rd (?) goal, yet Barry and capello get te blame.
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i remember agreeing with you vehemently at the time over this.
Terry went proper walkies
Probably quiffing, but spidey, capello made the knockout stages in 100% of competitions he was in.
And re centre backs being pulled out of position, terry just decided to go up field, leading to the 3rd (?) goal, yet Barry and capello get te blame.
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i remember agreeing with you vehemently at the time over this.
Terry went proper walkies
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48619.msg1479985#msg1479985 date=1328816391]
Whether or not it was right to strip Terry of the captaincy, it should not have been done unilaterally. Capello position was untenable after that.
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Yes, but he's never in the country, always on holidays doesn't speak the lingo and didn't try to learn, and his translator/liaison left (Baldini). So you can see why they did it. He should just get over himself. The issue is bigger than his authority.
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Looks like they'll be replacing a manager who can barely speak English with a manager who can barely write English.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48619.msg1479985#msg1479985 date=1328816391]
Whether or not it was right to strip Terry of the captaincy, it should not have been done unilaterally. Capello position was untenable after that.
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Yes, but he's never in the country, always on holidays doesn't speak the lingo and didn't try to learn, and his translator/liaison left (Baldini). So you can see why they did it. He should just get over himself. The issue is bigger than his authority.
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Looks like they'll be replacing a manager who can barely speak English with a manager who can barely write English.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=48619.msg1479999#msg1479999 date=1328819505]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=48619.msg1479995#msg1479995 date=1328818670]
Probably quiffing, but spidey, capello made the knockout stages in 100% of competitions he was in.
And re centre backs being pulled out of position, terry just decided to go up field, leading to the 3rd (?) goal, yet Barry and capello get te blame.
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i remember agreeing with you vehemently at the time over this.
Terry went proper walkies
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I remember watching the match, screaming at the screen "where the fuck are you going terry?!". In fact, we're you there? Your Peter was, Michael too.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=48619.msg1479995#msg1479995 date=1328818670]
Probably quiffing, but spidey, capello made the knockout stages in 100% of competitions he was in.
And re centre backs being pulled out of position, terry just decided to go up field, leading to the 3rd (?) goal, yet Barry and capello get te blame.
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i remember agreeing with you vehemently at the time over this.
Terry went proper walkies
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I remember watching the match, screaming at the screen "where the fuck are you going terry?!". In fact, we're you there? Your Peter was, Michael too.
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=48619.msg1479999#msg1479999 date=1328819505]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=48619.msg1479995#msg1479995 date=1328818670]
Probably quiffing, but spidey, capello made the knockout stages in 100% of competitions he was in.
And re centre backs being pulled out of position, terry just decided to go up field, leading to the 3rd (?) goal, yet Barry and capello get te blame.
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i remember agreeing with you vehemently at the time over this.
Terry went proper walkies
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I remember watching the match, screaming at the screen "where the fuck are you going terry?!". In fact, we're you there? Your Peter was, Michael too.
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nah, i watched it at home
i was in proper hysterics over lampards "goal"
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=48619.msg1479999#msg1479999 date=1328819505]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=48619.msg1479995#msg1479995 date=1328818670]
Probably quiffing, but spidey, capello made the knockout stages in 100% of competitions he was in.
And re centre backs being pulled out of position, terry just decided to go up field, leading to the 3rd (?) goal, yet Barry and capello get te blame.
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i remember agreeing with you vehemently at the time over this.
Terry went proper walkies
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I remember watching the match, screaming at the screen "where the fuck are you going terry?!". In fact, we're you there? Your Peter was, Michael too.
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nah, i watched it at home
i was in proper hysterics over lampards "goal"
New Zealand were unbeaten in the last WC. So Ricki Herbert must be the best coach of all time for ever and ever amen.
England were embarrassing at the WC.
England were embarrassing at the WC.
[quote author=localny link=topic=48619.msg1479987#msg1479987 date=1328816657]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48619.msg1479985#msg1479985 date=1328816391]
Whether or not it was right to strip Terry of the captaincy, it should not have been done unilaterally. Capello position was untenable after that.
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Yes, but he's never in the country, always on holidays doesn't speak the lingo and didn't try to learn, and his translator/liaison left (Baldini). So you can see why they did it. He should just get over himself. The issue is bigger than his authority.
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It is, but they should still have involved him in the decision-making process. My guess is this was actually designed to get him to walk.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48619.msg1479985#msg1479985 date=1328816391]
Whether or not it was right to strip Terry of the captaincy, it should not have been done unilaterally. Capello position was untenable after that.
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Yes, but he's never in the country, always on holidays doesn't speak the lingo and didn't try to learn, and his translator/liaison left (Baldini). So you can see why they did it. He should just get over himself. The issue is bigger than his authority.
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It is, but they should still have involved him in the decision-making process. My guess is this was actually designed to get him to walk.
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[quote author=localny link=topic=48619.msg1479987#msg1479987 date=1328816657]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48619.msg1479985#msg1479985 date=1328816391]
Whether or not it was right to strip Terry of the captaincy, it should not have been done unilaterally. Capello position was untenable after that.
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Yes, but he's never in the country, always on holidays doesn't speak the lingo and didn't try to learn, and his translator/liaison left (Baldini). So you can see why they did it. He should just get over himself. The issue is bigger than his authority.
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It is, but they should still have involved him in the decision-making process.
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Yes they should have done.
Either they hire a team manager or they don't. It can't be a case of 'you look after the playing side of things all the time apart from when we want to get involved and make decisions about it without consulting you'. That is no way of working.
It goes from something like this to suddenly the FA deciding that x or y should be the captain because they have a really clean cut image. Then they are insisting that the person they choose should be in the side. Then they might as well pick the entire side. All the while Capello would still have the accountability for the team's results but less of the authority to influence them.
If our owners at the time had said that Gerrard should not be captain when he was charged with assault then what would we have expected Benitez to do? Say yes, no problem and drop him or argue that it should be down to him?
[quote author=localny link=topic=48619.msg1479987#msg1479987 date=1328816657]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48619.msg1479985#msg1479985 date=1328816391]
Whether or not it was right to strip Terry of the captaincy, it should not have been done unilaterally. Capello position was untenable after that.
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Yes, but he's never in the country, always on holidays doesn't speak the lingo and didn't try to learn, and his translator/liaison left (Baldini). So you can see why they did it. He should just get over himself. The issue is bigger than his authority.
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It is, but they should still have involved him in the decision-making process.
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Yes they should have done.
Either they hire a team manager or they don't. It can't be a case of 'you look after the playing side of things all the time apart from when we want to get involved and make decisions about it without consulting you'. That is no way of working.
It goes from something like this to suddenly the FA deciding that x or y should be the captain because they have a really clean cut image. Then they are insisting that the person they choose should be in the side. Then they might as well pick the entire side. All the while Capello would still have the accountability for the team's results but less of the authority to influence them.
If our owners at the time had said that Gerrard should not be captain when he was charged with assault then what would we have expected Benitez to do? Say yes, no problem and drop him or argue that it should be down to him?
Gerard's case was different, there was no postponement, if I remember correctly.
John Terry had his case postponed (conveniently for him and I wonder did his lawyers asked for the postponement) after the Euro Tournament. If it had been decided one way or another, it would not have cause this fiasco.
John Terry had his case postponed (conveniently for him and I wonder did his lawyers asked for the postponement) after the Euro Tournament. If it had been decided one way or another, it would not have cause this fiasco.
Delay or no delay. It makes no difference. The manager has to be involved in the decision making. Otherwise he is completely undermined.
Wow!. Cant wait for this. NOT!
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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=48619.msg1480147#msg1480147 date=1328866631]
Gerard's case was different, there was no postponement, if I remember correctly.
John Terry had his case postponed (conveniently for him and I wonder did his lawyers asked for the postponement) after the Euro Tournament. If it had been decided one way or another, it would not have cause this fiasco.
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He was charged in December/January time and the trial was in July. Whether it was postponed for the same reasons or it just took that long - it doesn't matter at all.
The point is that he had been charged with an offence and not convicted yet. Same with Terry.
I am not saying Terry should have kept the captaincy or not, the point I am making is how would we have felt if after Gerrard had been charged, our owners had decided he could no longer be captain, without consulting Benitez?
Gerard's case was different, there was no postponement, if I remember correctly.
John Terry had his case postponed (conveniently for him and I wonder did his lawyers asked for the postponement) after the Euro Tournament. If it had been decided one way or another, it would not have cause this fiasco.
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He was charged in December/January time and the trial was in July. Whether it was postponed for the same reasons or it just took that long - it doesn't matter at all.
The point is that he had been charged with an offence and not convicted yet. Same with Terry.
I am not saying Terry should have kept the captaincy or not, the point I am making is how would we have felt if after Gerrard had been charged, our owners had decided he could no longer be captain, without consulting Benitez?
Maybe he was consulted and he refused? Not that that would make it any more acceptable to him...
In that event he would not have had any reasonable complaint about how it was handled. It would then have been for him to decide whether to accept the decision or go.
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=48619.msg1480160#msg1480160 date=1328867591]
Maybe he was consulted and he refused? Not that that would make it any more acceptable to him...
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Maybe so, and I still don't think it should be any more acceptable to him either.
The manager picks the team, which includes the captain. I'm not sure there should be any exception to that to be honest
Maybe he was consulted and he refused? Not that that would make it any more acceptable to him...
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Maybe so, and I still don't think it should be any more acceptable to him either.
The manager picks the team, which includes the captain. I'm not sure there should be any exception to that to be honest
If the FA board honestly believed there were grounds for the view that Terry's continuation in the job would bring the English game into disrepute, I think they were within their rights to insist on his removal. The fact that their own organisation is a byword for ham-handed incompetence, and is doing a sterling job of making English football look ridiculous, is an ironic twist on the situation but IMHO would not remove their right, their duty even, to take exceptional action in exceptional circs.
I think England(mainly the media) make way too much of a deal about the captain. I couldn't name the captain of most international teams. The fact that the role of captain for the England team has been elevated so high has led to the this. They need the perfect role model as captain. The role of captain is no longer about football, it's about merchandising and promotion. If it was just about football, I don't see how the FA could step in.
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