Can we find the Lavia?
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Highly unlikely.
Chelsea still have a huge squad. In all honesty I am not too fussed if he goes Chelsea as long as we get another CDM.
I am even warming to the idea of getting Gallagher on loan for a year with an option to buy.
Him and his family? How so?
Our dealings for Alexis were great - we got it done early and got an incredible deal. Our dealings for Szobo were smooth. Everything else, be it attempted purchases or outgoings have been super messy. It is quite worrying and maybe we are just in a bad place in that department for a leader who can conduct business in a simple and discrete manner.
I also don't understand why it takes weeks to move an offer from 45 to 47 million. We have a budget, we have a limit and we should be able to get two sporting directors together and leave a room having agreed a number.
I also don't understand why it takes weeks to move an offer from 45 to 47 million. We have a budget, we have a limit and we should be able to get two sporting directors together and leave a room having agreed a number.
Reported in the Belgian media that they felt the most comfortable with a move to us regarding his development.
The issue so far for both bids, seems to be (intimating from Pearce's posts and actually it's been my thought for a while) is the structure of the bids.
Yes Southampton want £50m but it's probably more about how much is paid up front and how much in bonuses, how achievable they are and when they fall due.
We've offered £45m which could be e.g. £42m + £3m in bonuses. Chelsea's offer could be £40m + £8m in bonuses. Pearce states no one outside the clubs knows the details.
I wish we knew more but I wouldn't rule us out just because Chelsea's bid is supposedly 'higher'.
Yes Southampton want £50m but it's probably more about how much is paid up front and how much in bonuses, how achievable they are and when they fall due.
We've offered £45m which could be e.g. £42m + £3m in bonuses. Chelsea's offer could be £40m + £8m in bonuses. Pearce states no one outside the clubs knows the details.
I wish we knew more but I wouldn't rule us out just because Chelsea's bid is supposedly 'higher'.
This also has never made sense to me - why does it take a week to come back with an improved bid slightly higher.
If you want him, the day it’s rejected, you bid a higher amount - surely these conversations have been had, what’s our limit etc.
Seems like an absolute disaster
Structure, bonuses, due dates, payment milestones.
I understand in negotiations we might want the sellers to think we won't improve our offer. But in this instance we are watching a relegated club sell other players for 30m+ and they have seen us lose 5 CMs from our squad over the summer.
I also bet if you asked Klopp he would say that 3-4m extra in fee is worth it to give Lavia a full pre-season, which he could have had. Now if we get him he probably won't be really klopp-ready til after whenever the first international break will be.
And what? We've shown everyone how much money is in our wallet, and it's obvious what we need. We needed it at the beginning of the summer, and then we sold two players who played a ton last season, and needed it more.
How do you think we are going to find actual quality in these circumstances, at any value whatsoever?
And how are we going to be finding quality at all? We've worked our way through the options. We're at Lavia now. He's apparently the best we can do.
We've spent two years looking at midfielders! We've missed two main targets. I see no evidence we've done anything but groundwork for a future CB purchase, as well.
There's a reason people are panicking, it's based on seeing what we've done when we've been stuck in a situation before. We've either asked the manager to conjure up some way of making it work, or we've wasted millions by drip and by drop being cheap, on completely inadequate loans and stopgaps.
The problem is that Southampton are deliberately drip feeding leaks on bids and their response to try and stoke up an auction. In the case of other transfers a lot of this would be behind closed doors. Their strategy probably also influences how Liverpool respond.
I may finally be coming round to understand JJ's contempt of how they acted during the Van Dijk saga
I may finally be coming round to understand JJ's contempt of how they acted during the Van Dijk saga
By all accounts we tried the same lowballing tactics with Leipzig but luckily there was a fixed price with a deadline and that forced our hand otherwise who knows.
As for Southamption and Lavia, I don't know how anyone can blame them for any of this. They're under no obligation to sell the player or make it easy for the buyer.
Lolz.
Neither were smooth. Both players had release clauses. Both were activated.
Leipzig told us pretty much tick tock. Pay up or fuck off.
They are squeezing every last cent from our owners, as they should be.
The market is fucking nuts and the valuations of players are completely up in the air. We desperately need a player in the position, and while we patiently seem to accept the idea that we don't have money, no one else is that stupid.
The market is fucking nuts and the valuations of players are completely up in the air. We desperately need a player in the position, and while we patiently seem to accept the idea that we don't have money, no one else is that stupid.
I think our perception of the smoothness of transfer is reliant totally on the amount, or lack of, leaks to the media.
We really don't know how much negotiations and horse trading goes into each deal and I suspect nether do most if not all the journalists reporting on them.
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That is a decent measure though. We aren't in control of this transfer, which is why it's being played out in public, because it is useful.
For sure.
Southampton are using the media to their advantage as they are quite entitled to do as we have done in the past.
Fuck it... play Bajetic until we can find a reasonably priced player... this has been dragging on tooooo long as it is... Soton can go fuck themselves and Chelsea can fucking roll in their own shit again...
Yeah.... fuck that...
Tell Lavia to kick up or a fuss or else... he is not the only DM in the world...
And while we are at it sort it the fucking shambles of the recruitment team... selling what DM's you had while not having replaced them is dumb as fuck.
Is this the "since we are going to overpay, might as well make it worth while?" attitude?
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