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Can England win the World Cup?

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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35711.msg941216#msg941216 date=1252598790]
It looks like we'll have at least one player in the squad next year with a World Cup winners medal.
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you think aurelio will make the cut?
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Did you forget our brazilian star Lucas?
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ha ha actually I did forget all about him ha ha
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35711.msg941216#msg941216 date=1252598790]
It looks like we'll have at least one player in the squad next year with a World Cup winners medal.
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You've done it now. We don't have any Germans.

*rushes off to back Germany*
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35711.msg941224#msg941224 date=1252599312]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35711.msg941216#msg941216 date=1252598790]
It looks like we'll have at least one player in the squad next year with a World Cup winners medal.
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you think aurelio will make the cut?
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It's mental that he's never won a cap when you think of all the average players they've capped over the years.

I don't think he'll make it.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35711.msg941213#msg941213 date=1252598305]
Brazil 9/2
Spain 9/2
England 6/1
Argentina 9/1
Germany 11/1
Italy 12/1
Holland 12/1
Russia 25/1
France 25/1
Portugal 33/1
Ivory Coast 33/1
[/quote]The odds for Argentina are ridiculous.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35711.msg941308#msg941308 date=1252609230]
Considering France got to the Final last time and still have a very strong squad, 25/1 is a good shout.
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e/w I'd have some of that. England are no value as usual.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35711.msg941308#msg941308 date=1252609230]
Considering France got to the Final last time and still have a very strong squad, 25/1 is a good shout.
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Yeah, France and Italy are the best value there, I think. The two finalists of the last WC at 12/1 and 25/1!
 
[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=35711.msg941394#msg941394 date=1252624420]
I can't believe Ghana's not on that list.
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100/1 if I remember correctly. Same as Nigeria.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35711.msg941033#msg941033 date=1252568505]
Slaven Bilic :

"They can definitely win the World Cup. Definitely. It's not easy to play every game like that, but they did not misplace a pass in the first half-hour. All their passes were dangerous, one-twos … perfect. If they play like that, then of course they can win it."
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Yeah right...4 headers. Dangerous one-twos my arse.

It was a poor defensive display from Croatia and there was nothing, and I repeat (x10000), nothing spectacularly special about England's performance last night.

If it was anything, it was a very disciplined and efficient performance against a pretty disorganized Croatian team who got their tactics wrong from the beginning, partly due to key personnel lacking in form, discipline or missing through injuries.

No way will England win the World Cup, even based on last night's performance. I mean don't get me wrong, they will definitely go further than before. But they still don't have that Plan B when they find themselves up against a world-class team e.g. Spain, Brazil, Germany, etc. Especially in tense moments such as during Extra Time or Sudden Death.

Lennon was awesome last night but a world-class leftback would not gift Lennon the amount of space to run at, like last night. But the biggest achievement Capello has done, which no other manager has done before, is to finally find a way to play Fat Frank and Stevie G together and make them gel to lethal effect.
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I actually agree with this young man!

Plan B? Put in Defoe for Heskey?

Plan C? Put in Crouch for Rooney?
 
after that game I am convinced we can. Capello has said it was all about confidence and his sole mission was to get the players playing the same way they do for their club.

He has been brilliant, Capello for LFC !!!

This should be a sticky MODS until july 2010, see how opinion changes before and during the tournament

Its not just about the quality of our 1st team we will have a superb bench for a change.

Beckham showed when he came on he is still a superb passer and will be great sub. Defoe, Crouch or Carlton Cole will do me, add in Joe Cole, Carrick, SWP, Young or Milner and decent defence cover we have a great looking squad
 
Now might be a good time, England, to talk about not getting your hopes up. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, or take the gloss off a deserved qualification. I've just seen you get this excited before and well, you can sometimes get a little, y'know, carried away.

A couple of wins and you're making hats and T-shirts with "Campione!" written on them, blowing your newly bought vuvuzelas and anointing yourselves favourites. Down this road madness lies; and a madness you should have enough experience of by now.

I know this boundless optimism has been given enough time to percolate. It's a strange, temporal illusion, international football. Tournaments have been appearing biennially for at least 40 years now. But, Jesus, the qualifications seem to get longer and longer. I blame the Champions League. We've space in our heads for a couple of different sporting time scales. The weekly ding-dong of the league, the fortnightly European super-brands, the FA Cup once a month; that's as many plates as I can keep in the air at one time.

Grinding along in its tectonic way, and popping up pretty much at random, I'd hazard a guess that most of you only realised it was international week when you saw your club had a weekend free. And for most of us it's not over yet. Ireland will almost certainly have at least four more matches to play to see if we get to Copa Mundial '10. When are they? Who knows. They'll just appear randomly, like an outbreak of swine flu.

At least our expectations will be healthy, though. Your history denies you a luxury we Irish have. Having never won the World Cup, we don't feel any grief about not winning it since. All qualifications are a bonus, all victories in the finals an explosion of national joy.

A lack of expectation is a wonderful thing sometimes. You should try watching Wimbledon, without having won it 70 years ago. It's a very enjoyable fortnight of tennis.

I remember, as a child, watching a grim kids show on British telly called Runaround. It was the late Mike Reid who hosted it, a bizarre piece of casting for an earthy cockney club comic and future EastEnders star. It would be like a kids show these days hosted by Frankie Boyle. Or a Dalek.

In Runaround, the young contestants would race to one of three big circles on the floor to show that they wanted to answer 1, 2 or 3 to a quiz question. Then, for no apparent reason, Reid would roar "Runaround!" like the villain from a Guy Ritchie movie.

The children, petrified, would scatter and with all memory of the question blown away by fear of the host, they'd pick a circle at random, to cower like a shoal of fish. And then they'd get eliminated.

Supporting England must be like that. There are two big circles, one marked Bloody Shower and the other, Best in the World! After every match a cockney roars the result and the entire population has to choose between the two before the music stops. Only beating Andorra by a couple of goals! Run to the bad circle! We've stuffed the Croats! Run to the good circle!

There is a small third circle, by the way, much overlooked. It's the sensible, empirical circle. Only a few people ever fit into it, but it's the smart choice because, by and large, England's international journey is much more dull and predictable than the rollercoaster of public emotion would let on.

In the Fifa world rankings England are pretty much always between fifth and eighth. These are the quarter?final positions. And bar the McClaren Debacle, that's where you've been reaching. A series of quarter-finals. England have performed exactly according to the rankings.

Again, in this World Cup, the rankings have been pretty much spot on. England qualified two games ahead of schedule. A fine achievement. But so did Brazil and Holland and Spain.

England qualified winning all eight games. As indeed have Holland and Spain. Not lagging far behind, Germany had seven wins with one draw, Russia seven wins and one defeat. These are all teams in the top six above England.

Things are pretty much panning out the way the rankings predicted with most of the big hitters making stately progress. One of the only exceptions are the perennial drama queens Italy, and they have had to contend with the mighty Irish.

Really, they should probably just print "Spoiler Alert!" all over the Fifa website. It'll be a wonderful Brazil v Spain final, though. And you should all take pride in another great quarter-final.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35711.msg942139#msg942139 date=1252746497]
A couple of wins and you're making hats and T-shirts with "Campione!"[/quote]

It would probably be "champione", such are most fans soccer am style learnings.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35711.msg942144#msg942144 date=1252746796]
See Oncey - that is why watching Ireland (and the rest of them) lose is fun.
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Conversely you can see why we enjoy seeing England fail in that article too.

It'll be a great summer.
 
Oh u bet...can't wait to laugh at England and see the likes of Terry and Fat Frank cry cos they missed a penalty or something.....history about to repeat itself all over again.

I'm just hoping that nothing bad will happen to our LFC boys.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35711.msg942139#msg942139 date=1252746497]
A couple of wins and you're making hats and T-shirts with "Campione!"[/quote]

It would probably be "champione", such are most fans soccer am style learnings.
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"Campione" is also wrong. It's "Campioni".
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35711.msg941490#msg941490 date=1252647006]

Plan C? Put in Crouch for Rooney?
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what's wrong with that back up plan? there comes a time when all the fancy football in the world pales before launching the ball in the box, and latching onto the second ball. it's almost a pity we don't have that option now but crouch would never going to settle for that the irony is he now finds himself on the bench ANYWAY.
 
also even though we don't have spains strength in depth it's telling that FINALLY spain put their tab of perpetual underachievers behind them last season. it doesn't ALWAYS have to be a cycle of failure, histroy counts for FUCK ALL on the pitch.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35711.msg942177#msg942177 date=1252749971]
You won't have to worry about the spelling in future anyway.
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...one cold and frosty winters night many moons ago the 'optimistic fairy' sweep through ros' open window and while he slumbered dreaming of number 19 made off with the very thing that made rosco beloved up and down the country. the greedy fairy didn't even leave any money under the slumbering rosco's pillow...
 
No chance of winning the world cup, i haven't seen all the others closely but Spain are on a different planet to us at the minute, Brazil will be strong etc.... In Africa.... nah....with the players we have.... double nah.... no fucking chance.
 
of course england have a chance any half decent side has a chance of winning the world cup.

you could get a lucky draw and then a fairly easy passage to the final.
all the top players could click, for instance if gerrrard and rooney hit the form of their lives they could blow teams away.

england aren't favorites but to say they have NO CHANCE is a little silly.
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35711.msg942186#msg942186 date=1252750328]
No chance of winning the world cup, i haven't seen all the others closely but Spain are on a different planet to us at the minute, Brazil will be strong etc.... In Africa.... nah....with the players we have.... double nah.... no fucking chance.
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Being in Africa has nothing to do with it
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35711.msg942176#msg942176 date=1252749953]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35711.msg941490#msg941490 date=1252647006]

Plan C? Put in Crouch for Rooney?
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what's wrong with that back up plan? there comes a time when all the fancy football in the world pales before launching the ball in the box, and latching onto the second ball. it's almost a pity we don't have that option now but crouch would never going to settle for that the irony is he now finds himself on the bench ANYWAY.
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If plan A is with Heskey and Rooney and does not work, how is plan C with Crouch and Defoe work?
 
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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35711.msg941490#msg941490 date=1252647006]

Plan C? Put in Crouch for Rooney?
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what's wrong with that back up plan? there comes a time when all the fancy football in the world pales before launching the ball in the box, and latching onto the second ball. it's almost a pity we don't have that option now but crouch would never going to settle for that the irony is he now finds himself on the bench ANYWAY.
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If plan A is with Heskey and Rooney and does not work, how is plan C with Crouch and Defoe work?
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possibly crouch would cause more panic against tired defenders already roughed up by heskey, as for defoe maybe he would poach that second ball (crouch having won the first ball) better than rooney.
 
Look, I agree we shouldn't be third favourites, but it's equally nonsensical to say we're bound to repeat history by failing in the QFs. We've made the SFs twice in recent memory, and as Spidey points out, Spain were perennial underachievers before Euro 2008. The same applies to France before WC98. England have a chance - no more than that. I'd make them maybe equal fifth favourites, along with Holland and Germany, behind Spain, Brazil, Italy and - if they qualify - France and Argentina.

On the other hand, it's a safe bet that Ireland aren't going to win it.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35711.msg942221#msg942221 date=1252754015]
Look, I agree we shouldn't be third favourites, but it's equally nonsensical to say we're bound to repeat history by failing in the QFs. We've made the SFs twice in recent memory, and as Spidey points out, Spain were perennial underachievers before Euro 2008. The same applies to France before WC98. England have a chance - no more than that. I'd make them maybe equal fifth favourites, along with Holland and Germany, behind Spain, Brazil, Italy and - if they qualify - France and Argentina.

On the other hand, it's a safe bet that Ireland aren't going to win it.

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Yep, that's about the measure of it.
 
HA HA HA

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