BYE BYE ROY!!!!!

[Rosco]

JJ - there can be no significant strengthening of the squad until the wage bill is dropped significantly.

We're running at 120m on the wage bill according to recent reports, working off a 200m figure for turnover (given recently by Purslow) it's 60% of turnover. That's the highest point of what is considered prudent for a football club.

The wage bill is the single biggest problem at the club right now. For two seasons straight we've been shit, we have to accept that money is being horrendously used, extricate ourself from as many of those bad deals as possible and start again.

 

[refugee]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42120.msg1218128#msg1218128 date=1289738629]
The squad is clearly a problem but I don't agree it's the biggest one. Avvy's right to point out that the squad - poor as it is - has been appallingly deployed by Roy. The state of the squad is actually a powerful reason for Roy to be gone by yesterday, as it will require strengthening in January and he is painfully obviously not the man to entrust with carrying that out.

Making Kenny caretaker till next summer always was the choice the club ought to have made. Roy's abject failure just underlines the fact.
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[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42120.msg1218135#msg1218135 date=1289739093]
JJ - there can be no significant strengthening of the squad until the wage bill is dropped significantly.

We're running at 120m on the wage bill according to recent reports, working off a 200m figure for turnover (given recently by Purslow) it's 60% of turnover. That's the highest point of what is considered prudent for a football club.

The wage bill is the single biggest problem at the club right now. For two seasons straight we've been shit, we have to accept that money is being horrendously used, extricate ourself from as many of those bad deals as possible and start again.
[/quote]

Points taken, but IMO it remains the case that much better use could and should have been made of the players we've actually got. Besides, there have been suggestions that NESV will put £25 mill.in the kitty for January. If that's right (and they do have to preserve what value they can while they're reorganising the club) I do not want Roy playing any role in spending that money or in deciding what to do with whoever we buy in.

 

[Rosco]

I don't disagree, but I'm guessing we vary on how much improvement could be gained from this bunch with a change of manager./approach. I don't think this is a top four squad.

And as you know I never want any manager to play much of a role in transfers, and clearly Roy won't have much involvement.

 

[Asbo]

Manchester City have been quick to deny claims by Guus Hiddink that he was offered the manager's job at Eastlands in the summer.
The Dutch coach, currently in charge of Turkey, says he was approached by both City and Liverpool during the close season.
Hiddink says he rejected the approaches as he was not keen on a return to club management following his stint with Chelsea in 2009.
"In the summer City and Liverpool both came to me with an inquiry," Hiddink said.
"But at my age I don't want to manage a club again for seven days a week over three years."
Liverpool were strongly linked with Hiddink at the time as they were looking for Rafa Benitez' replacement - but instead opted for Roy Hodgson.
But City already had Roberto Mancini in place and they have insisted that no approach was made to Hiddink.
Liverpool were in the market for a new manager following Rafa Benitez's departure to Inter Milan.
But Hiddink's claim will cause huge embarrassment to City, who have insisted they have never looked to replace Mancini.
"We strenuously deny that we have ever spoken to Guus Hiddink or any other manager about the possibility of succeeding Roberto Mancini," Vicky Kloss, City's chief communications officer, told the Sunday Mirror.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42120.msg1218132#msg1218132 date=1289739012]
Budgie is doing damage to LFC every single day that he is here.

So he should be sacked, with immediate effect
[/quote]

*insert nutshell picture*

 

[Avmenon]

Well, this does make the board look a little less stupid.

In at least choosong between Pellegrini, Hiddink and HOdgson.

Fucked it up in the end, unfortunately.

 

[gene hughes]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=42120.msg1218155#msg1218155 date=1289740630]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42120.msg1218132#msg1218132 date=1289739012]
Budgie is doing damage to LFC every single day that he is here.

So he should be sacked, with immediate effect
[/quote]

*insert nutshell picture*
[/quote]

Yes, the squad may haveproblems but we could at least try to make the most of them and prevent the good ones from leaving.

Part of me wonders if NESV will leave Roy where he is for the whole season because it will force Torres, Johnson, Agger and Reina out, allowing them to cash in on players when their value is high.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=42120.msg1218166#msg1218166 date=1289742903]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=42120.msg1218155#msg1218155 date=1289740630]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42120.msg1218132#msg1218132 date=1289739012]
Budgie is doing damage to LFC every single day that he is here.

So he should be sacked, with immediate effect
[/quote]

*insert nutshell picture*
[/quote]

Yes, the squad may haveproblems but we could at least try to make the most of them and prevent the good ones from leaving.

Part of me wonders if NESV will leave Roy where he is for the whole season because it will force Torres, Johnson, Agger and Reina out, allowing them to cash in on players when their value is high.
[/quote]

I hadn't considered that.

I wish you hadn't either.

 

[gene hughes]

I expect they'll reinvest it on the squad but they could easily give Comoli 100m+ by allowing some of our unhappy stars to leave. They're also the only ones who have any chance of having their salaries matched by other clubs.

 

[kingjulian]

Ros..I have previously agreed with you on the wage bill not being utilized properly.

But i disagree with you on the sequential approach you suggest to solve that. i.e...

1. Get rid of the Non performing high maintenance players
2. and then bring in new manager and give him the funds to bring in new players

I think we need a manager who can extract the best out of the majority of our squad. NESV also needs to support him with funds (transfer window is about 40 days away) to add to our squad even if our wages as a proportion of revenue gets slightly more than what it should be in the short run. Simultaneously we can look at offloading the players who are not performing. The last part does not need to stop the first two from happening, it shouldn't too...because our first priority should always be to finish as high as possible right now.

 

[TheBunnyman]

Gene: if that happens, we're looking at a long road back to the top. Even to get back in the top 4 is going to take a while if we lose Torres and Reina in the same season, after losing Mascher and Alonso in consecutive seasons beforehand. The danger is, if you spend three or four seasons out of the CL, that you become a much less attractive place for the best players to go.

I really hope your conspiracy theory is bollocks.

 

[mark1975]

I hope there are no longterm agenda's going on, we need to do a patchwork job to get us in the European places, so that means getting shot of Hodgson ASAP and appointing someone short term like Kenny. Bring in a striker, a defender and a winger in January and push on.

 

[Rafiagra]

Problem with a patchwork job like that is if you sign 3 players, then that potentialy £20m on players any new manager might not want.

If Kenny is appointed in interim, then he has to work with players he has. Any new signings should only be made if there is a new permanent manager in pipeline and he is consulted.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=42120.msg1218202#msg1218202 date=1289748504]
Problem with a patchwork job like that is if you sign 3 players, then that potentialy £20m on players any new manager might not want.

If Kenny is appointed in interim, then he has to work with players he has. Any new signings should only be made if there is a new permanent manager in pipeline and he is consulted.

[/quote]

The whole point of a footballing directer is to ensure the squad stays of good enough quality regardless of who is in charge. Your post ignores the change of concept we've had recently. Whilst it would be preferable to back a new manager with cash and for him to have some involvement in the process, it's now not unforeseeable for Hodgson to stay on in the mean time, but with Comolli to start making signings by himself. Let's face it, towards the end of Rafa's regime it was Dalglish who was spending the money on the kids. We all knew it.

 

[Rafiagra]

Admittedly Id forgotten about Comolli. However, I'd still be wary of the whole situation.

I just dont get the concept of a sporting director signing players. I cant imagine any top manager not having total control.

 

[Hansern]

There is a rumour doing the rounds that he called the away support fucking pricks yesterday. Carra also apperantly had a go at the supporters. Anyone else heard this?

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Sounds unlikely (Roy that is, not Carra)

 

[KopPoNok]

[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=42120.msg1218166#msg1218166 date=1289742903]
Yes, the squad may haveproblems but we could at least try to make the most of them and prevent the good ones from leaving.

Part of me wonders if NESV will leave Roy where he is for the whole season because it will force Torres, Johnson, Agger and Reina out, allowing them to cash in on players when their value is high.[/quote]

With old roy still in charge, I doubt that we can sell those players at high value. We won't be playing european football next season.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=KopPoNok link=topic=42120.msg1218221#msg1218221 date=1289751093]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=42120.msg1218166#msg1218166 date=1289742903]
Yes, the squad may haveproblems but we could at least try to make the most of them and prevent the good ones from leaving.

Part of me wonders if NESV will leave Roy where he is for the whole season because it will force Torres, Johnson, Agger and Reina out, allowing them to cash in on players when their value is high.[/quote]

With old roy still in charge, I doubt that we can sell those players at high value. We won't be playing european football next season.
[/quote]

European football?

With Hodgson in charge we risk being sucked into a relegation battle.

That's why the conspiracy idea is very unlikely.

It'll be hard to rebuild from the Championship, since the last manager who brought us up from the old Second Division to become Champions was Bill Shankly.

 

[Avmenon]

And that took a few years.

 

[manwithnoname]

Does any mong still want Budgie as manager?

 

[Avmenon]

I don't think anyone 'wanted' Hodgson; but I don't think anyone foresaw he'd be THIS bad, Bren.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I didn't want him in the first place as he was clearly an uninspiring choice but I was prepared to support him. However, he's turned out worse than I thought. He wasn't left a title challenging squad by Rafa but likewise he was left one that shouldn't be currently sitting 11th with only 16 points from 13 games and a minus 4 goal difference. That's simply unacceptable and a change is required.

 

[Jack D Rips]

I didnt want him but we got him. Then I decided it was only fair to give him a chance. Well hes had his chance as far as Im concerned, and hes fucked it up good and proper. Now I want him gone with immediate effect as I dont want to end up despising him.

One third of the season gone and we have 16 points.

Go now Roy, in the name of God!

 

[Buddha]

Amongst a plethora of mistakes, perhaps the most disappointing thing about Hodgson has been his dismissive and condescending attitude towards us fans.

We might just have been able to forgive him some of his utterances had he not proved such a one-dimensional, mediocre fuckwit of a manager.

 

[Le Chacal]

I didnt want Roy but eventually thought it was a reasonable choice.
To be fair Im not blaming him for yesterdays result. It was the same team and formation that beat Chelsea last week.(bar Kirgyakos)
Our senior players let us down. Torres and Kuyt were shite and Gerrard gave them the 2nd goal.
I think we played even worse at Wigan.

 

[spider-Neil]

I can hand on heart say if roy were building towards something I would have more patience with in, if I could see that his style of play and tactics with better players would have us challenging at the top. I think if roy got in the players he wanted and utilised the style of play he has shown in the past 30 years that by his own admition he isn't going to change then at 'BEST' I can see us challegning for top 4 and no more.

 

[acejmk]

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218235#msg1218235 date=1289753225]
I don't think anyone 'wanted' Hodgson; but I don't think anyone foresaw he'd be THIS bad, Bren.
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[dirtyho]

Brendan did complain mightily about this appointment and predicted dire consequences...
So at least one person thought it would be this bad.