a cursory glance of roy's premership away record should have sent alarm bells ringing. what did purslow THINK was going to happen.
BYE BYE ROY!!!!!
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[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42120.msg1218261#msg1218261 date=1289757085]
Brendan did complain mightily about this appointment and predicted dire consequences...
So at least one person thought it would be this bad.
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look back at the roy hodgson thread, LOADS of people were predicting the worst.
Brendan did complain mightily about this appointment and predicted dire consequences...
So at least one person thought it would be this bad.
[/quote]
look back at the roy hodgson thread, LOADS of people were predicting the worst.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218263#msg1218263 date=1289757164]
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42120.msg1218261#msg1218261 date=1289757085]
Brendan did complain mightily about this appointment and predicted dire consequences...
So at least one person thought it would be this bad.
[/quote]
look back at the roy hodgson thread, LOADS of people were predicting the worst.
[/quote]
Why don't you ask Brendan whether he thought Hodgson might actually have gotten us relegated?
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42120.msg1218261#msg1218261 date=1289757085]
Brendan did complain mightily about this appointment and predicted dire consequences...
So at least one person thought it would be this bad.
[/quote]
look back at the roy hodgson thread, LOADS of people were predicting the worst.
[/quote]
Why don't you ask Brendan whether he thought Hodgson might actually have gotten us relegated?
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218266#msg1218266 date=1289757312]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218263#msg1218263 date=1289757164]
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42120.msg1218261#msg1218261 date=1289757085]
Brendan did complain mightily about this appointment and predicted dire consequences...
So at least one person thought it would be this bad.
[/quote]
look back at the roy hodgson thread, LOADS of people were predicting the worst.
[/quote]
Why don't you ask Brendan whether he thought Hodgson might actually have gotten us relegated?
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I called a relagation dog fight months ago, don't believe? go back and check.
the reason I said this was because of roy's away record and that I didn't see it changing anytime soon especially given torres is more likely to score at home rather than away from home.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218263#msg1218263 date=1289757164]
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42120.msg1218261#msg1218261 date=1289757085]
Brendan did complain mightily about this appointment and predicted dire consequences...
So at least one person thought it would be this bad.
[/quote]
look back at the roy hodgson thread, LOADS of people were predicting the worst.
[/quote]
Why don't you ask Brendan whether he thought Hodgson might actually have gotten us relegated?
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I called a relagation dog fight months ago, don't believe? go back and check.
the reason I said this was because of roy's away record and that I didn't see it changing anytime soon especially given torres is more likely to score at home rather than away from home.
I was quite sure he'd be as bad as he has turned out to be.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218270#msg1218270 date=1289757569]
I don't really rate your views,Neil.
Your hyperbolic lunacy on this site is legendary.
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Haha
I don't really rate your views,Neil.
Your hyperbolic lunacy on this site is legendary.
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Haha
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218270#msg1218270 date=1289757569]
I don't really rate your views,Neil.
Your hyperbolic lunacy on this site is legendary.
Most people didnt think Hodgson would be a great manager, but few rational posters thought he'd be this bad.
But good job on calling it so early.
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not sure if I'm bothered whether my views are rated or not. I will say though that my views on the team (rather than individials) is based purely on observation and I will always explain my point of view to the best of my ability.
I don't really rate your views,Neil.
Your hyperbolic lunacy on this site is legendary.
Most people didnt think Hodgson would be a great manager, but few rational posters thought he'd be this bad.
But good job on calling it so early.
[/quote]
not sure if I'm bothered whether my views are rated or not. I will say though that my views on the team (rather than individials) is based purely on observation and I will always explain my point of view to the best of my ability.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218275#msg1218275 date=1289757750]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218270#msg1218270 date=1289757569]
I don't really rate your views,Neil.
Your hyperbolic lunacy on this site is legendary.
Most people didnt think Hodgson would be a great manager, but few rational posters thought he'd be this bad.
But good job on calling it so early.
[/quote]
not sure if I bothered whether my views are rated or not. I will say though that my views on the team (rather than individials) is based purely on observation and I will always explain my point of view to the best of my ability.
[/quote]
Good spot,then.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218270#msg1218270 date=1289757569]
I don't really rate your views,Neil.
Your hyperbolic lunacy on this site is legendary.
Most people didnt think Hodgson would be a great manager, but few rational posters thought he'd be this bad.
But good job on calling it so early.
[/quote]
not sure if I bothered whether my views are rated or not. I will say though that my views on the team (rather than individials) is based purely on observation and I will always explain my point of view to the best of my ability.
[/quote]
Good spot,then.
when it comes to picking a new manager of liverpool, what is going to be requirement?
* someone with expeirence?
* someone with a good track record?
* someone who has won stuff?
personally I think our requirement should be somone who plays in a manner than allows us to win as many games as possible. you'd think that would be a given but for a very long time we have employed managers that made us play in a manner that made us difficult to beat rather than given us a belief to win (anyone) home and away.
* someone with expeirence?
* someone with a good track record?
* someone who has won stuff?
personally I think our requirement should be somone who plays in a manner than allows us to win as many games as possible. you'd think that would be a given but for a very long time we have employed managers that made us play in a manner that made us difficult to beat rather than given us a belief to win (anyone) home and away.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218280#msg1218280 date=1289758169]
when it comes to picking a new manager of liverpool, what is going to be requirement?
* someone with expeirence?
* someone with a good track record?
* someone who has won stuff?
personally I think our requirement should be somone who plays in a manner than allows us to win as many games as possible. you'd think that would be a given but for a very long time we have employed managers that made us play in a manner that made us difficult to beat rather than given us a belief to win (anyone) home and away.
[/quote]GREY JUMPER!!! SMART PANTS!!! THIN!!! SEXY!!!
Get it right.
when it comes to picking a new manager of liverpool, what is going to be requirement?
* someone with expeirence?
* someone with a good track record?
* someone who has won stuff?
personally I think our requirement should be somone who plays in a manner than allows us to win as many games as possible. you'd think that would be a given but for a very long time we have employed managers that made us play in a manner that made us difficult to beat rather than given us a belief to win (anyone) home and away.
[/quote]GREY JUMPER!!! SMART PANTS!!! THIN!!! SEXY!!!
Get it right.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218280#msg1218280 date=1289758169]
personally I think our requirement should be somone who plays in a manner than allows us to win as many games as possible.
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This is exactly the kind of radical thinking we need.
personally I think our requirement should be somone who plays in a manner than allows us to win as many games as possible.
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This is exactly the kind of radical thinking we need.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42120.msg1218285#msg1218285 date=1289758431]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218280#msg1218280 date=1289758169]
personally I think our requirement should be somone who plays in a manner than allows us to win as many games as possible.
[/quote]
This is exactly the kind of radical thinking we need.
[/quote]Easy tiger!
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218280#msg1218280 date=1289758169]
personally I think our requirement should be somone who plays in a manner than allows us to win as many games as possible.
[/quote]
This is exactly the kind of radical thinking we need.
[/quote]Easy tiger!
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42120.msg1218281#msg1218281 date=1289758328]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218280#msg1218280 date=1289758169]
when it comes to picking a new manager of liverpool, what is going to be requirement?
* someone with expeirence?
* someone with a good track record?
* someone who has won stuff?
personally I think our requirement should be somone who plays in a manner than allows us to win as many games as possible. you'd think that would be a given but for a very long time we have employed managers that made us play in a manner that made us difficult to beat rather than given us a belief to win (anyone) home and away.
[/quote]GREY JUMPER!!! SMART PANTS!!! THIN!!! SEXY!!!
Get it right.
[/quote]
Grey suit do you
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42120.msg1218280#msg1218280 date=1289758169]
when it comes to picking a new manager of liverpool, what is going to be requirement?
* someone with expeirence?
* someone with a good track record?
* someone who has won stuff?
personally I think our requirement should be somone who plays in a manner than allows us to win as many games as possible. you'd think that would be a given but for a very long time we have employed managers that made us play in a manner that made us difficult to beat rather than given us a belief to win (anyone) home and away.
[/quote]GREY JUMPER!!! SMART PANTS!!! THIN!!! SEXY!!!
Get it right.
[/quote]
Grey suit do you
continuing on my last post, I'm of the belief we possess enough players of quality to at last challenge top 4, our flew is how we utilise them and how we set out our stall.
* how many times have we scored in the first half?
* many time times has someone been played in on goal one on one with the opposition keeper?
* how many times have we cut open the opposition with quick interchanges in an around the opposition box?
I know we have done all the above at times this season but no where near often enough.
I'm of the belief that the correct manager could make all of the above the rule rather than the exception.
we have, torres, gerrard, cole, maxi, kuyt, meireles on the box technical players that have more than enough ability to carve open the opppsition they just need the platform to do as much damage as humanly possible in as short a space of time as possible and for me that is more than to the manager than the personnel we have rather than the personnel we are missing.
each to their own but this is what I believe.
* how many times have we scored in the first half?
* many time times has someone been played in on goal one on one with the opposition keeper?
* how many times have we cut open the opposition with quick interchanges in an around the opposition box?
I know we have done all the above at times this season but no where near often enough.
I'm of the belief that the correct manager could make all of the above the rule rather than the exception.
we have, torres, gerrard, cole, maxi, kuyt, meireles on the box technical players that have more than enough ability to carve open the opppsition they just need the platform to do as much damage as humanly possible in as short a space of time as possible and for me that is more than to the manager than the personnel we have rather than the personnel we are missing.
each to their own but this is what I believe.
I was very upset when we got him, but I am still surprised of how fucking stupid he is.....
also a question to the forum. obviously playing away from home is a lot more difficult than play at home, for a number of reasons; the away crowd for instance
my question is should you change you personnel/tactics away from home?
my question is should you change you personnel/tactics away from home?
It's impossible to answer that in any general way. The decision will depend on whom you have at your disposal, whom you're up against and how they're going to approach the game. It also depends on your manager not being an overpromoted second-rater in meltdown.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42120.msg1218300#msg1218300 date=1289759222]
It's impossible to answer that in any general way. The decision will depend on whom you have at your disposal, whom you're up against and how they're going to approach the game. It also depends on your manager not being an overpromoted second-rater in meltdown.
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I guess, but it does seem we have two totally different tactics for home and away games. for instance we could play someone at home and batter them playing in one way and then change the approach for an away game a week later.
It's impossible to answer that in any general way. The decision will depend on whom you have at your disposal, whom you're up against and how they're going to approach the game. It also depends on your manager not being an overpromoted second-rater in meltdown.
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I guess, but it does seem we have two totally different tactics for home and away games. for instance we could play someone at home and batter them playing in one way and then change the approach for an away game a week later.
If what you're getting at is that this indicates that the manager's thinking is much too rigid, I agree. Playing away from home should not autmoatically mean playing in a less ambitious way. Making that kind of assumption is indicative of somebody who's too fearful or too stupid (or both) to be managing a club which has ambitions like ours.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42120.msg1218310#msg1218310 date=1289760059]
If what you're getting at is that this indicates that the manager's thinking is much too rigid, I agree. Playing away from home should not autmoatically mean playing in a less ambitious way. Making that kind of assumption is indicative of somebody who's too fearful or too stupid (or both) to be managing a club which has ambitions like ours.
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But This is what roy said only last month:
Hodgson, appointed by managing director Christian Purslow in July to replace Rafael BenÃtez, has overseen just one Premier League win in six games — though he remains unbeaten in Europe — after a series of mediocre performances and his side begin Sunday afternoon’s visit of Blackpool hovering just above the relegation zone.
Such a résumé is hardly the sort of start deemed acceptable at Anfield. Hodgson, though, is quick to scotch the suggestion that his style of coaching and philosophy of play is not suited to a club where expectations are so high and the staff at his disposal so high-profile. “Unbelievable,†said the Liverpool manager, when asked whether his approach could be applied on Merseyside as effectively as it was in west London. “How many clubs have I had in 35 years? What do you mean, do my methods translate? They translated from Halmstads to Malmo to Orebro to Neuchâtel Xamax to the Swiss national team.
“The question is quite frankly insulting, I suppose. That question is suggesting something. To suggest that suddenly because you move from one club to another, the methods that have stood you in good stead for 35 years and made you one of the most respected coaches in the Europe suddenly do not work. I find it very, very hard to believe that someone has even asked me that question.â
If what you're getting at is that this indicates that the manager's thinking is much too rigid, I agree. Playing away from home should not autmoatically mean playing in a less ambitious way. Making that kind of assumption is indicative of somebody who's too fearful or too stupid (or both) to be managing a club which has ambitions like ours.
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But This is what roy said only last month:
Hodgson, appointed by managing director Christian Purslow in July to replace Rafael BenÃtez, has overseen just one Premier League win in six games — though he remains unbeaten in Europe — after a series of mediocre performances and his side begin Sunday afternoon’s visit of Blackpool hovering just above the relegation zone.
Such a résumé is hardly the sort of start deemed acceptable at Anfield. Hodgson, though, is quick to scotch the suggestion that his style of coaching and philosophy of play is not suited to a club where expectations are so high and the staff at his disposal so high-profile. “Unbelievable,†said the Liverpool manager, when asked whether his approach could be applied on Merseyside as effectively as it was in west London. “How many clubs have I had in 35 years? What do you mean, do my methods translate? They translated from Halmstads to Malmo to Orebro to Neuchâtel Xamax to the Swiss national team.
“The question is quite frankly insulting, I suppose. That question is suggesting something. To suggest that suddenly because you move from one club to another, the methods that have stood you in good stead for 35 years and made you one of the most respected coaches in the Europe suddenly do not work. I find it very, very hard to believe that someone has even asked me that question.â
The words of a limited man whose limits have been exposed for all to see, but doesn't want to admit it. I could almost feel sorry for him if it weren't my club he's dragging down with him.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=42120.msg1218236#msg1218236 date=1289753500]
I didn't want him in the first place as he was clearly an uninspiring choice but I was prepared to support him. However, he's turned out worse than I thought. He wasn't left a title challenging squad by Rafa but likewise he was left one that shouldn't be currently sitting 11th with only 16 points from 13 games and a minus 4 goal difference. That's simply unacceptable and a change is required.
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Thanks for saving me the words. Yup.
I didn't want him in the first place as he was clearly an uninspiring choice but I was prepared to support him. However, he's turned out worse than I thought. He wasn't left a title challenging squad by Rafa but likewise he was left one that shouldn't be currently sitting 11th with only 16 points from 13 games and a minus 4 goal difference. That's simply unacceptable and a change is required.
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Thanks for saving me the words. Yup.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42120.msg1218234#msg1218234 date=1289753078]
Does any mong still want Budgie as manager?
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We've been through this before, did anyone even say they wanted him? People just backed him because he was err, Liverpool manager. He deserved that much, but he's been shit.
Does any mong still want Budgie as manager?
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We've been through this before, did anyone even say they wanted him? People just backed him because he was err, Liverpool manager. He deserved that much, but he's been shit.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42120.msg1218325#msg1218325 date=1289762961]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42120.msg1218234#msg1218234 date=1289753078]
Does any mong still want Budgie as manager?
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We've been through this before, did anyone even say they wanted him? People just backed him because he was err, Liverpool manager. He deserved that much, but he's been shit.
[/quote]
I will say though, 'some' of the blame has to fall at the feet of the players. some of the play yesterday was a disrace, utterly clueless, the hoofs, the wayward passes, the noneexistent movement. roy didn't say to carra, 'jamie, I want you to send it long all game long'
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42120.msg1218234#msg1218234 date=1289753078]
Does any mong still want Budgie as manager?
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We've been through this before, did anyone even say they wanted him? People just backed him because he was err, Liverpool manager. He deserved that much, but he's been shit.
[/quote]
I will say though, 'some' of the blame has to fall at the feet of the players. some of the play yesterday was a disrace, utterly clueless, the hoofs, the wayward passes, the noneexistent movement. roy didn't say to carra, 'jamie, I want you to send it long all game long'
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=42120.msg1218313#msg1218313 date=1289760229]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42120.msg1218310#msg1218310 date=1289760059]
If what you're getting at is that this indicates that the manager's thinking is much too rigid, I agree. Playing away from home should not autmoatically mean playing in a less ambitious way. Making that kind of assumption is indicative of somebody who's too fearful or too stupid (or both) to be managing a club which has ambitions like ours.
[/quote]
But This is what roy said only last month:
Hodgson, appointed by managing director Christian Purslow in July to replace Rafael BenÃtez, has overseen just one Premier League win in six games — though he remains unbeaten in Europe — after a series of mediocre performances and his side begin Sunday afternoon’s visit of Blackpool hovering just above the relegation zone.
Such a résumé is hardly the sort of start deemed acceptable at Anfield. Hodgson, though, is quick to scotch the suggestion that his style of coaching and philosophy of play is not suited to a club where expectations are so high and the staff at his disposal so high-profile. “Unbelievable,†said the Liverpool manager, when asked whether his approach could be applied on Merseyside as effectively as it was in west London. “How many clubs have I had in 35 years? What do you mean, do my methods translate? They translated from Halmstads to Malmo to Orebro to Neuchâtel Xamax to the Swiss national team.
“The question is quite frankly insulting, I suppose. That question is suggesting something. To suggest that suddenly because you move from one club to another, the methods that have stood you in good stead for 35 years and made you one of the most respected coaches in the Europe suddenly do not work. I find it very, very hard to believe that someone has even asked me that question.â€
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One of the most respected? I wouldn't say he's in the top 100 coaches in Europe.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42120.msg1218310#msg1218310 date=1289760059]
If what you're getting at is that this indicates that the manager's thinking is much too rigid, I agree. Playing away from home should not autmoatically mean playing in a less ambitious way. Making that kind of assumption is indicative of somebody who's too fearful or too stupid (or both) to be managing a club which has ambitions like ours.
[/quote]
But This is what roy said only last month:
Hodgson, appointed by managing director Christian Purslow in July to replace Rafael BenÃtez, has overseen just one Premier League win in six games — though he remains unbeaten in Europe — after a series of mediocre performances and his side begin Sunday afternoon’s visit of Blackpool hovering just above the relegation zone.
Such a résumé is hardly the sort of start deemed acceptable at Anfield. Hodgson, though, is quick to scotch the suggestion that his style of coaching and philosophy of play is not suited to a club where expectations are so high and the staff at his disposal so high-profile. “Unbelievable,†said the Liverpool manager, when asked whether his approach could be applied on Merseyside as effectively as it was in west London. “How many clubs have I had in 35 years? What do you mean, do my methods translate? They translated from Halmstads to Malmo to Orebro to Neuchâtel Xamax to the Swiss national team.
“The question is quite frankly insulting, I suppose. That question is suggesting something. To suggest that suddenly because you move from one club to another, the methods that have stood you in good stead for 35 years and made you one of the most respected coaches in the Europe suddenly do not work. I find it very, very hard to believe that someone has even asked me that question.â€
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One of the most respected? I wouldn't say he's in the top 100 coaches in Europe.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42120.msg1218339#msg1218339 date=1289764537]
Yeah,that same argument also applied last year to an extent.
Which is very worrying. 🙁
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I think the players deserve some of the blame but ultimately they (the players) take their que, tactics and playing mentality from the manager.
Yeah,that same argument also applied last year to an extent.
Which is very worrying. 🙁
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I think the players deserve some of the blame but ultimately they (the players) take their que, tactics and playing mentality from the manager.
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