Burnley post match thread

[Frogfish]

Dont think you need a defensive midfielder but we definetly needed a holding player that could control the tempo.

Tempo wasn't the issue for me - especially when you have 81% possession. It was a failure to get behind that 11 man defence. We played in front of them the whole match, often with our backs to goal, which made it easy for them to maintain a solid defensive formation. Milner did fine but didn't get behind them. I didn't think we would miss Mane but fuck me if we really did ....

 

[Frogfish]

And who's the best we've currently got?
Please be honest now. Who is the most stable player we have in the squad who can play in that position?

Ejaria ?

 

[Frogfish]

I'm tempted to look at our record over the last five years for games where we shoot 20 times or more.

I would swear our record is poor

It is poor - it's because when it's that high our shooting is like a mad woman's piss. As it was against Burnley.

 

[Frogfish]

That should end the why didnt Can play:

Klopp: "Emre Can was on the bench, he had a back problem, Lucas Leiva is injured and you ask me for a hard midfield player." #lfc

Then why was he on the bench and not Stewart ? Don't risk a player who is already recovering from an injury and not fit to start.

 

[Frogfish]

We cant really say the midfield was shit. The reason being we had like 75% of the ball which implies we were in control for most of the game. However, its what we did with that dominance that counted for shit. It was all too predictable and slow.

Did you not watch that Hendo compilation - he was shit. Wujnadlum was played out of position and was quiet, his pace wasted and was therfore ineffective at what he was (I assume from Klopp's comments on him supplying goals from midfield) bought for.

 

[Gary25]

Tempo wasn't the issue for me - especially when you have 81% possession. It was a failure to get behind that 11 man defence. We played in front of them the whole match, often with our backs to goal, which made it easy for them to maintain a solid defensive formation. Milner did fine but didn't get behind them. I didn't think we would miss Mane but fuck me if we really did ....

I get the whole we missed Mane thing I really do and he offers a genuine threat in behind and takes players on which creates space for our other attacking players but we'd still plenty of talent on that pitch to beat Burnley, and comfortably.

Jurgen will really need to learn to deliver against these smaller teams. Still early days in his reign and we're only 2 games into season but to me it seems like he has a real plan for the games against the big teams but against likes of Watford, Newcastle, Swansea and now Burnley he's had some worryingly bad days at the office.

 

[Frogfish]

We actually could have used Benteke. Since nothing else was working we could have tried launching the ball into the box and seen if he could create something out of nothing.

Origi is at least as good at that to be fair. Good in the air and with his feet in the box as well as strong as an ox.

 

[Frogfish]

Jurgen will really need to learn to deliver against these smaller teams. Still early days in his reign and we're only 2 games into season but to me it seems like he has a real plan for the games against the big teams but against likes of Watford, Newcastle, Swansea and now Burnley he's had some worryingly bad days at the office.

I've been reading a lot of posts on other forums from German fans, this one from a BVB supporter :

Anyways, regarding what I said, do you disagree that Klopp's style isn't suited to beating weaker sides and is much better at getting results vs the top ones?

Oh, without a doubt. As with any reactionary system, it is better suited vs. stronger and active competition. It is also statistically undenieable that Klopp won both league titles with us by taking points from the direct competition and not by sheer consistency vs. mid and lower table clubs. For the vast majority of the time we were still a good deal better than Pool in dealing with that as we simply had stronger individual quality in the squad. The 2012/2013 or current team for example is in every single position superior to the current Liverpool side.

 

[gareth_thomas]

I've been too angry to post.

A goal in the first minute was exactly what they needed to sit that deep.

Tactically I thought we did the right thing by trying to be patient but the execution was terrible. Trying to 'get behind' is near impossible when teams sit so deep. Playing direct wouldn't have helped either. We worked the ball into central areas by switching the play and created a number of good opportunites on the edge of the box...but our shooting was embarrassing. Its not fucking difficult to shoot hard and low and 13 year old kids could do better.

A defensive midfielder was not required.. we needed a player similar to Coutinho pulling the strings from deep. Henderson and wijnaldum both looked nervous and cumbersome in possession and were not helping us break them down. Some our our passing was so slow which played right into Burnleys hands.

Not once did we win a free kick in a dangerous position. Other teams would have purposely played for fouls in an attempt to create set piece opportunites. ESPECIALLY after last weeks goal.

I hate Mignolet but he hasn't really been at fault for any of the goals we've conceded. He had the worst saves per shot stats last year too. That's two shots now that have pretty much gone straight through Dejan.. bad luck or something more?

Just Shooting and passing practice for the next few weeks. Every pass or shot that misses by 5 feet results in a public flogging.

 

[Frogfish]

I...............Trying to 'get behind' is near impossible when teams sit so deep. .........

..........but our shooting was embarrassing. Its not fucking difficult to shoot hard and low and 13 year old kids could do better.


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Not once did we win a free kick in a dangerous position. Other teams would have purposely played for fouls in an attempt to create set piece opportunites. ESPECIALLY after last weeks goal.
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Sorry but 'getting behind' it's not impossible at all. Get to the byline and you have turned them and start to create gaps and confusion. I can't remember us doing that more than once or twice.

Absolutely agree on shooting and it's a good point re, winning FKs. However were Burnley deliberately restrained close to their box in an attempt not to give Coutinho a FK within range ?

 

[mark1975]

We cant really say the midfield was shit. The reason being we had like 75% of the ball which implies we were in control for most of the game. However, its what we did with that dominance that counted for shit. It was all too predictable and slow.

The midfield was shit though, we had alot of the ball but were restricted to long shots mostly. The midfield has more than one function - this was the problem under Rodgers, we had a game plan when in possession, to be patient and look for an opening against the lesser sides, and to try to get the upper hand early against the bigger sides. Klopp seems to have more or less the same ideal in that sense, but neither side have a fucking clue what to do when they lose the ball. If our high energy pressing game is being countered, then in a straight head to head "battle" we're not physical enough and we don't have the right balance in the defensive half to regain the initiative.

Under Rodgers and under Klopp, there's this constant feeling that as soon as the opposition get in the final third it's going to come to something. 75%-80% possession means absolutely fuck all if your damage limitation levels can't see out the limited possession the opposition has.

 

[LarryHagman]

We’ll get better but that game was an insipid experience.
2 games into a new season and practically a 1/3 of the team is playing out of position. Criminal that.
5 goals conceded, same frailties at the back.
Our best midfielder of last season playing at LB, no protection from midfield, neither issue seemingly a priority of the Manager.
Already looks like we are going to be reliant on wonder goals to keep us going all season; park the bus against us and we’ve got no one to break you down; subdue Coutinho (not really that hard) and we’ve got no one to break you down.
I don’t think we’re as bad as this 3 lost points but clearly we’re not as good as the 3 points gained at Arsenal either. Klopp needs to pull his finger out.
And forget all that possession bollocks, 19% of something is always better than 81% of nothing. Thought we'd moved on from that shite.

 

[gkmacca]

I was hoping the intense three sessions a day pre-season training programme would lead to a different attitude, but I haven't seen it so far. True, we pressed like mad in the Arsenal game at a high tempo, but then played slow and sluggishly in the Burnley game. That happened a lot last season and one tended to put it down to the players having lacked a proper pre-season to get the fitness and understanding needed to make Klopp's system work on a consistent basis. I know it's just two games into this season, so there's a need to stand back and be patient, but consistent, game-to-game, intensity and tempo was what I was hoping to see this season. Last season it was as if after every one game's exertion the players thought, 'Right, time for a breather...' We can't have that mentality continuing into this season.

I just hope we play a proper team against Burton and smash them. No one needs a rest at this stage of the season, and we need an immediate (re)statement of intent for our own confidence more than anything.

 

[Silver Sean]

No modern football team is successful without a dedicated DM. It's so fucking obvious it's painful. Why have we got a new manager that has the same attitude to this vital position as the last one? Just pathetic all round. But exactly what we should expect from this team. We are a 6th-8th team these days.