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That's put a slight downer on my holiday so far.

Arsenal was thrilling, if exhausting and ultimately worrying, but sadly this result was tediously predictable.

Lots of running about, no composure, and no real sign that Klopp or his players know what they're doing. It was embarrassing. Even more embarrassing was the obvious weaknesses still evident, and the fact that without Mane - already! - we have no penetration or pace.

And we still haven't bought the defensive midfielder, striker and left-back that everyone - who isn't retarded - knows we need.

Utter shite. Here's some fucking ratings:

Mignolet (5) can't be blamed really, but he doesn't save much does he?

Clyne (3) dreadful. Poor decision-making and played like he was monged on pills

Lovren (5) maybe one of our better defenders, and he did make some decent interceptions, but still about as reliable and calm a presence as a meth- head in a petrol station picking up midnight snacks after two days on a bender

Klavan (3) about what I expected from a mediocre 30 year old journeyman. Actually no, he was much worse: creakingly slow and weak tackling. A fucking liability

Milner (4) yeah, Klopp, everyone in the world has a problem with our left back. Apart from you, which is why you dropped him after one game and played someone who isn't a left back at left back.

Henderson (3) all Henderson can do is galumph around the pitch like a brain-damaged Labrador on speed. And when he has good players around him, sometimes that horribly limited skill-set is actually enough. If, however, you tell him that he has to play in a more disciplined, static role, what you have is just a brain-damaged Labrador

Coutinho (5) he was a match winner at Arsenal. He was totally average and wasteful today. Why is that? Oh yeah, I know.

Lallana (4) a peripheral, pointless presence, like a fucking spectre at the feast, doing Cruyff turns and flicks to nobody, with nobody watching

Wijnaldum (4) he's not exactly the sort of bloke you'd want to be in the trenches with, is he? Insipid shithouse of a game.

Sturridge (4) he's our best striker, so he was probably as confused as anyone when asked to play on the wing while the useless fat spastic Firmino twatted about hopelessly in the middle. Poor.

Firmino (2) I fear this flabby, pointless melt is going to be another of those players that some bellends desperately - endlessly - try and convince everyone is actually great, until years of everyone's time has been wasted. I even saw some cunt from one of the more 'prominent' blogs or websites or whatever, almost try and make a case for him being Man Of The Match against Arsenal! As if it wasn't very obviously Mane or Coutinho! Anyway, he was fucking abysmal here; slow as fuck, wasteful and utterly lacking in any kind of attacking threat. One of the worst displays from a Liverpool attacking player I have ever seen.

Fuck off, the lot of you
 
Screw all this blame culture - the simple truth is:-

1) Yeah we conceded early - but we had like 90 mins to make for it - and the team with their talent should have created a few goal-scoring chances in that first half.

2) Wrong decisions were made all over the pitch in our attacks - like we learnt nothing from that game against Chelsea 3/4 seasons ago or even last seasons games against the 10 men walls that were visiting Anfield over Christmas.

The players on the pitch were good enough to win the game regardless of selection - they were too slow and out of ideas. I actually put this down to Klopp in many ways - by now he should be able to instruct the players how to play in that game situation - he experienced enough of it last season with us and then some at his old club. If he cannot then we have a problem with our manager.
 
RedNinja said:
You don't need a decent defensive midfielder to beat a Team like Burnley end fucking of..
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We certainly don't have anyone in there who tries to get a foothold on matches like this, so yeah, sometimes you do need a "domineering" midfielder in there. Which is what I said. It's how attacks with options as extravagant as ours fail to break teams down, because they don't have someone complimenting that creativity behind them, by showing a level of control on the game, which then allows the rest of the team to function.
 
mark1975 said:
We certainly don't have anyone in there who tries to get a foothold on matches like this, so yeah, sometimes you do need a "domineering" midfielder in there. Which is what I said. It's how attacks with options as extravagant as ours fail to break teams down, because they don't have someone complimenting that creativity behind them, by showing a level of control on the game, which then allows the rest of the team to function.
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We have Can.. He dominates, Bizarrely he didn't play... We have Milner he dominates, and is an assist king.. But he was playing fuckng left back, and barely got forward..
 
mark1975 said:
We certainly don't have anyone in there who tries to get a foothold on matches like this, so yeah, sometimes you do need a "domineering" midfielder in there. Which is what I said. It's how attacks with options as extravagant as ours fail to break teams down, because they don't have someone complimenting that creativity behind them, by showing a level of control on the game, which then allows the rest of the team to function.
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Mark - what we need is someone strong up front with sheer will to take the defenders on. Do you all remember that Suarez goal against West Brom ? - do you remember he was standing there and in front of him were bunch of defenders and like a western shoot out he just fucking barged through them with sheer will and put the ball behind the net. Awesome !!! - we need more of that from our front players - to shrug off the challenges and to stay on their feet.
 
I don't buy all this need for a defensive midfielder. However, we do need a midfielder who can defend.

Henderson showed for the second goal that he's clueless.

Also, I'm still far from convinced with the trio of Coutinho, Firmino and Lallana. Coutinho is class so has to play. The other 2 I'm unsure of, but as a 3 it's not exactly fireworks. Would rather get Origi and Sturridge playing up front as a 2 with Coutinho behind them. Far more threat.
 
For me I think that our problem comes from not having anyone who plays with aggressiveness. We need some hard cunt in our team to provide us with some bite and drive. A leader you might say. Cos Henderson ain't it.

Mascherano had it. Suarez had it. Gerard had it.

No one in our current team has it and we have become a bunch of tippy tappy bellends with as much fight as submissive puppy. We need Skully in the team.
 
Mignolet - 2 shots on target, 2 goals conceded. That's now 5 goals out of the last 5 shots on target this season. Disgusting.

Clyne - every cross basically along the ground which kept getting cleared.

Lovren - nothing much to say about him this game.

Klavan - looked quite slow today, big difference in his play compared to the Arsenal game.

Milner - too predictable that he's going to cut in, was one of our better performers, if you call it that.

Henderson - one of the worst displays I've ever seen from a player, let alone a captain ffs.

Lallana - does those fancy flicks but there was no end product at all.

Wijnaldum - didn't really do much all game besides a few side passes her and there.

Coutinho - shots, shots and more fucking shots! when will he learn that his shooting is erratic and not that great. He hits about 1 or 2 every 30/40 shots he tries from outside the box.

Firmino - has an excellent long shot but he drifts in and out of games way too often.

Sturridge - looks too slow, he drops way too deep to get the ball, often looking like a DM and not a ST.

I think Klopp got his tactics horribly wrong today. I'm sick of our players fucking around at the back from goalkicks and general play. JUST CLEAR THE FUCKING BALL!

That's what Leicester City did so well last season, there was none of this possession crap at the back, as soon as it got near their box, guess where it went.. back past the half way line for Vardy to chase or into the stands.

Disappointing performance. 80% possession or whatever it was, that's because we kept passing the ball side to side. I'd rather have 20% possession but do something meaningful. We beat Arsenal and then follow it up with this crap v Burnley.

Only the 2nd game, so not writing us off yet but we've got a lot of work to do to get anywhere near 4th.
 
Lovren's fucking shite too isn't he?? Just take a look at him for Ox Chambs goal last week and Burnley's second this. Fucking dickhead.
 
Hansern said:
Well, it certainly didnt work when they scored and put 9 men behind the ball. It then looked like many of our other similar performances were nothing works after that and everything is forced.
3-22 in attempts. Our finishing and decision making were certainly not good enough.

Klopp has got some serious thinking to do.
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We played in front of their defence practically the whole match, without the injured Mane (and Ojo) we simply didn't even really attempt to turn them. It was beyond predictable - as was our (and especially Coutinho's) increasingly desperate attempts at long-range shooting. Milner was actually our best outlet, maybe Wijnaldum would have been if not played out of position again.
 
Tinto said:
Yep, yesterday's team was pretty much last season's team except for Klavan and Wijnaldum. And we already knew it wasn't good enough.
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But it should still be beating Burnley. Not one of their players would start for us.
 
Really quite gutted with this result. Upside may be that Klopp will look at the DM position.

Hope it doesn't put off our Chinese gazillionaire overlords. We're not going to beat the nouveau riche clubs soltely through pretty triangles, after all.
 
Dissapointing result. .. Dissapointing performance by the team. Aggressivity was non-existent... Leadership lacked all over the Field. We allow ourself to do too many easy mistakes. When we can't controll easy passes under no pressure we have not the focus needed to graft out Three important Points.

But putting this "Meet the New boss - Same as old boss" rubbish out there is nonsense. I understand that People are frustrated, but the boss has won Bundesliga and guided his team to CL final. He not just any dimwit Charlie picked up from the street. He has a job to do, but I am sure he is prepared to the job. Give him a break.
 
I don't think Insignificance was saying people shouldn't discuss our problems though. What he seemed to me to be saying was that statements like "Meet the new boss - same as the old boss" and dire forecasts about the season ahead are OTT and premature. If I've read that right, I agree with him.
 
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On a more positive note, most games where you have 80% possession and 26 shots, you're going to win virtually every one of them. I wouldn't go as far as saying it was a fluke, but I wouldn't expect that sort of result very often at all. The 26 shots was heavily inflated by really poor shooting though, Coutinho alone must have had 5+ shots from outside the box that were nowhere near the target, if we'd 26 shots and the majority testing the keeper, we'd have won by a cricket score. That what concerns me more than the defence - shooting for the sake of shooting and making it look like we tested their keeper 26 times.
We've got a proper keeper to come back, another decent CB, Clyne having a very very rare bad day - so that'll make a massive difference at the back too.
 
Mors said:
On a more positive note, most games where you have 80% possession and 26 shots, you're going to win virtually every one of them. I wouldn't go as far as saying it was a fluke, but I wouldn't expect that sort of result very often at all. The 26 shots was heavily inflated by really poor shooting though, Coutinho alone must have had 5+ shots from outside the box that were nowhere near the target, if we'd 26 shots and the majority testing the keeper, we'd have won by a cricket score. That what concerns me more than the defence - shooting for the sake of shooting and making it look like we tested their keeper 26 times.
We've got a proper keeper to come back, another decent CB, Clyne having a very very rare bad day - so that'll make a massive difference at the back too.
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I'm tempted to look at our record over the last five years for games where we shoot 20 times or more.

I would swear our record is poor
 
Judge Jules said:
I don't think Insignificance was saying people shouldn't discuss our problems though. What he seemed to me to be saying was that statements like "Meet the new boss - same as the old boss" and dire forecasts about the weason ahead are OTT and premature. If I've read that right, I agree with him.
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As opposed to the threads post Arsenal even after conceding 3....

Most people thought we would beat burnley (me included) but the defeat was a flashback to last season, even after the money spent, the decent pre season and Klopps talk of this being his team now.

Seems no lessons have been learnt. Can definitely see klopp buying before the window shuts
 
That should end the why didnt Can play:

Klopp: "Emre Can was on the bench, he had a back problem, Lucas Leiva is injured and you ask me for a hard midfield player." #lfc
 
The midfield was horrible. Lallana and Wijnaldum are out of position and as for Hendo, well he wasn't really that good when he was good, was he?
Ideally, Can and Milner would be in the middle, the fact that Milner is having to cover LB 2 games into the season is a fucking joke.
As for Firmino, hate the shithouse.
 
We cant really say the midfield was shit. The reason being we had like 75% of the ball which implies we were in control for most of the game. However, its what we did with that dominance that counted for shit. It was all too predictable and slow.
 
We are not as good as we thought we were after the Arsenal game and not as bad as we think we are after the Burnley game.

In the Arsenal game we had four world class finishes. That was the only way we were going to get a goal in the Burnley game - world class out of the world goals. Except for a 15 - 20 minute period against Arsenal our attacking play has not really clicked. If the only way we are going to score goals is through magical finishes then the ride is going to be bumpy until Klopp figures it out or our team gels.

As for the transfers, I was dead against Mane for the price. Early indications are that I was wrong on that front. I did not know what to expect on the Wijnaldum transfer. Not saying he is a bad player but I am puzzled as to what he offers to the team. Agree with mark and Keni and several others on the midfield aspect.

We actually could have used Benteke. Since nothing else was working we could have tried launching the ball into the box and seen if he could create something out of nothing.
 
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