British Manager for LFC

[Ryan]

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I don't understand why there's a thread about the nationality of the Liverpool manager

Does anyone really care where he was born?
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Good point, and no.
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I suppose we should be careful about discounting British managers though, and that seems to be happening more often with the top teams. I f there is a talented British manager he shouldn't be discounted for the sake of bringing in a foreign name.
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Yes, I agree. But if the best manager available to us at whatever time against whatever criteria isn't British, then I don't really care.

We should (if we are) be getting the best Manager, not the best British manager. And for all your lauding of McLeish (which I don't disagree with), there are significantly better European Managers out there mate.

 

[doctor_mac]

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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40043.msg1098282#msg1098282 date=1272882463]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40043.msg1098274#msg1098274 date=1272880791]
I don't understand why there's a thread about the nationality of the Liverpool manager

Does anyone really care where he was born?
[/quote]

Good point, and no.
[/quote]

I suppose we should be careful about discounting British managers though, and that seems to be happening more often with the top teams. I f there is a talented British manager he shouldn't be discounted for the sake of bringing in a foreign name.
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Yes, I agree. But if the best manager available to us at whatever time against whatever criteria isn't British, then I don't really care.

We should (if we are) be getting the best Manager, not the best British manager. And for all your lauding of McLeish (which I don't disagree with), there are significantly better European Managers out there mate.
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Who will come to us?

I'd just hate us to make a Mancini type appointment. Someone who isn't any more proven than options available locally. There's Spurs that made Arry manager almost due to a panic, and he's proven himself better suited to guiding the club than the European big names who preceded him.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

 

[spider-Neil]

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that would be absolutely diasterous. he hasn't managed for 10 years and even then he was sacked. that would smack of utter desparation and forever tarnish the name of anfield's favorite son.

 

[Modo]

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Fuck no. Don't think he wants to take over and risk tainting his legendary status like a certain Graeme Souness.

 

[Ryan]

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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40043.msg1098274#msg1098274 date=1272880791]
I don't understand why there's a thread about the nationality of the Liverpool manager

Does anyone really care where he was born?
[/quote]

Good point, and no.
[/quote]

I suppose we should be careful about discounting British managers though, and that seems to be happening more often with the top teams. I f there is a talented British manager he shouldn't be discounted for the sake of bringing in a foreign name.
[/quote]

Yes, I agree. But if the best manager available to us at whatever time against whatever criteria isn't British, then I don't really care.

We should (if we are) be getting the best Manager, not the best British manager. And for all your lauding of McLeish (which I don't disagree with), there are significantly better European Managers out there mate.
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Who will come to us?

I'd just hate us to make a Mancini type appointment. Someone who isn't any more proven than options available locally. There's Spurs that made Arry manager almost due to a panic, and he's proven himself better suited to guiding the club than the European big names who preceded him.
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I don't know mate. Like you I don't want a European 'name' like Mancini, Ramos, etc just for the fucking sake of a European. At the same time I don't want an Allardyce, McLeish, etc just because they're British and that's it. I just want the best manager available. Fuck knows who that is.

In saying all of that, I don't want rid of Benitez though.

 

[Rosco]

He knows what it takes to win the league

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm not saying that's what I want.

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40043.msg1098301#msg1098301 date=1272884075]
I'm not saying that's what I want.
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Oh, OK. Sorry.

 

[the count]

He might just steady the ship a bit like thommo did after Ged had his heart surgery!

 

[peterhague]

while i'd like to see more british managers get a chance at top clubs, it's worth remembering that it's a consequence, imo, of our football culture. we tend to make appointments for the long term, and invest a great deal of trust & responsibility in them (hence 'manager' rather than 'coach').

the bigger the investment, then the bigger the risk, and the more risk-averse the decision-making. therefore english clubs look for people with proven records at the highest level, which coaches can only acquire in a more risk-taking environment - namely, the continent.

the obvious antidote for managers is to go and manage in europe, a la van claren.

 

[SJohnno]

Why does nobody rate Harry Redknapp? Every team he touches has a golden run. His work at Pompei was amazing and he has turned Spurs into a top four contender inside a year.

His record in the transfer market is second to none...especially on the budgets he's had to work with and he obviously has the ability to man-manage his star players. Chances are he'd have former captain and son Jamie join him as well.

I always thought he would be a great England manager too.

Is there some bad blood I'm unaware of?

 

[ibromurph]

Before we start dismissing every British manager under The Lying Rag, lest we forget that a manager like Redknapp who had previously managed bottom sides like West Ham and Pompey was seen as somewhat of a joke, but look how he's doing now. Completely turned Spurs around from when he took over. Also, he understands this league (better than our own manager) in that he has amassed a very good squad of players (keeping players like Pavylechenko and Bale) when people had written them off.

I think there's a tendancy to think British managers are somewhat lesser skilled than their foreign counteraparts. But what they may lack in tactics and understanding of Europe, they often make up for in man management and most importantly, understanding of this league.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Barry Fry.

Or that "bring your dinner" bloke from that documentary.

 

[Portly]

I certainly rate Harry Redknapp. Compare Spurs' squad to ours and it looks much stronger although Harry hasn't had more money available than Rafa has.

A telling example is the Premier League standard strikers available to Harry and Rafa at the start of the season:

Spurs:

Gudjohnsen
Defoe
Crouch
Pavlyuchenko

Liverpool:

Torres

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=SJohnno link=topic=40043.msg1098317#msg1098317 date=1272885945]
Why does nobody rate Harry Redknapp? Every team he touches has a golden run. His work at Pompei was amazing and he has turned Spurs into a top four contender inside a year.

His record in the transfer market is second to none...especially on the budgets he's had to work with and he obviously has the ability to man-manage his star players. Chances are he'd have former captain and son Jamie join him as well.

I always thought he would be a great England manager too.

Is there some bad blood I'm unaware of?
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why would he leave spurs for us? spurs have a much stronger squad and will be given a decent kitty in the summer.

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=SJohnno link=topic=40043.msg1098317#msg1098317 date=1272885945]
Why does nobody rate Harry Redknapp? Every team he touches has a golden run. His work at Pompei was amazing and he has turned Spurs into a top four contender inside a year.

His record in the transfer market is second to none...especially on the budgets he's had to work with and he obviously has the ability to man-manage his star players. Chances are he'd have former captain and son Jamie join him as well.

I always thought he would be a great England manager too.

Is there some bad blood I'm unaware of?
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He's been done for tax evasion now hasnt he??

 

[Portly]

You can tell Harry is iffy from his appearance. The very look of him speaks of bulky brown envelopes.

However, that doesn't make him a bad manager! ;D

 

[peterhague]

Arry's done a brilliant job at spurs (albeit with a vastly underachieving squad) but it's interesting to think that he'd probably never have got the job it hadn't have been for pompey's massive debts funding his success.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

John Sitton sacks player and offers out two more

The best of British

 

[doctor_mac]

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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40043.msg1098274#msg1098274 date=1272880791]
I don't understand why there's a thread about the nationality of the Liverpool manager

Does anyone really care where he was born?
[/quote]

Good point, and no.
[/quote]

I suppose we should be careful about discounting British managers though, and that seems to be happening more often with the top teams. I f there is a talented British manager he shouldn't be discounted for the sake of bringing in a foreign name.
[/quote]

Yes, I agree. But if the best manager available to us at whatever time against whatever criteria isn't British, then I don't really care.

We should (if we are) be getting the best Manager, not the best British manager. And for all your lauding of McLeish (which I don't disagree with), there are significantly better European Managers out there mate.
[/quote]

Who will come to us?

I'd just hate us to make a Mancini type appointment. Someone who isn't any more proven than options available locally. There's Spurs that made Arry manager almost due to a panic, and he's proven himself better suited to guiding the club than the European big names who preceded him.
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I don't know mate. Like you I don't want a European 'name' like Mancini, Ramos, etc just for the fucking sake of a European. At the same time I don't want an Allardyce, McLeish, etc just because they're British and that's it. I just want the best manager available. Fuck knows who that is.

In saying all of that, I don't want rid of Benitez though.
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McCleish is miles better than Allardyce, and has loads on his CV that marks him as a better manager. Plus he's not a complete cock.

 

[FoxForceFive]

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John Sitton sacks player and offers out two more

The best of British
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Hahahahaha. That's quality.

At some point soon they'll insist on dressing room cameras in the Premiership as part of the tv deal. Especially if ESPN have anything to do with it, as they got it in the US, I think it's basketball they used the tv rights deal to lever it in.

 

[TheBunnyman]

I rate Redknapp quite highly - at least domestically - but, as has already been said, he's likely to be leading Spurs into the CL next season, so why would he leave to join us?

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40043.msg1098251#msg1098251 date=1272878740]
Do you have a clip of the last minute winner you scored Ryan?

Would like to analyze the goal please.
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Wasn't last minute, and no.

There are photos on the web I'm sure.
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[mark1975]

I don't want us to just go for 'anyone', but I want something to change. We need someone who will breath enthusiasm back into us, someone who will make it exciting again and who has a set, successful way of playing. Someone who sticks to the basics well, like Moyes and Fergie both do.

There's a fair few managers who've succeeded at a lower level and haven't really had a shot at the bigtime, the likes of MON, Redknapp, McLeish, etc. We need a strong character, not a yes man but someone the fans can relate to. Maybe after a decade of foreign managers it's right to react this way, I'd probably take Mourinho over anyone, but aside from him I'd like to see us look closer to home. Yes it's a risk, but we need change.

 

[Frogfish]

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I rate Redknapp quite highly - at least domestically - but, as has already been said, he's likely to be leading Spurs into the CL next season, so why would he leave to join us?
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Maybe because we tend to appoint a manger and give them time to prove themselves rather than chopping and changing whenever the wind shifts direction ? Long term we are still the better bet.

 

[TheBunnyman]

As for that half-time team-talk...

Orient went on to lose the match 1-0, and after winning only one of the next 15 games, both Sitton and Turner were sacked two months later. Orient won just seven of 47 games under the pair. After the pair left, the side lost the following three games and finished bottom of the table.

After leaving Brisbane Road, Sitton managed Leyton, Enfield and then Leyton again. He later worked as a taxi driver, and he also works for the FA Coaching Education Scheme, and the Press Association, compiling statistics for the Opta Index.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40043.msg1098364#msg1098364 date=1272892195]
I don't want us to just go for 'anyone', but I want something to change. We need someone who will breath enthusiasm back into us, someone who will make it exciting again and who has a set, successful way of playing. Someone who sticks to the basics well, like Moyes and Fergie both do.

There's a fair few managers who've succeeded at a lower level and haven't really had a shot at the bigtime, the likes of MON, Redknapp, McLeish, etc. We need a strong character, not a yes man but someone the fans can relate to. Maybe after a decade of foreign managers it's right to react this way, I'd probably take Mourinho over anyone, but aside from him I'd like to see us look closer to home. Yes it's a risk, but we need change.
[/quote]That's how I see it too

 

[Buddha]

Skybet's list for next Liverpool manager:

Mourinho 11/8
O'Neill 7/2
Hodgson 5/1
Dalglish 8/1
Blanc 10/1
Oliveira 12/1
Hughes 12/1
Hiddink 16/1
Klinnsman 16/1
McCleish 16/1
Schuster 20/1
Lippi 25/1
Rijkaard 25/1
Bilic 25/1
Scolari 25/1
Van basten 33/1
Ramos 33/1
Gullit 33/1
Nicol 33/1
Moyes 33/1
McClaren 33/1

 

[peterhague]

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Skybet's list for next Liverpool manager:

Mourinho 11/8
O'Neill 7/2
Hodgson 5/1
Dalglish 8/1
Blanc 10/1
Oliveira 12/1
Hughes 12/1
Hiddink 16/1
Klinnsman 16/1
McCleish 16/1
Schuster 20/1
Lippi 25/1
Rijkaard 25/1
Bilic 25/1
Scolari 25/1
Van basten 33/1
Ramos 33/1
Gullit 33/1
Nicol 33/1
Moyes 33/1
McClaren 33/1

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mcleish at 16/1 looks tempting, might get on that.