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[quote author=irishred link=topic=40043.msg1097626#msg1097626 date=1272800926]
Paul Lambert?
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He'll be a decent manager in time, done very well gettng Norwich promoted.
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40043.msg1097510#msg1097510 date=1272791268]
In terms of the league, hasn't McCleish outperformed Hodgson?

I'm thinking he has.
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Four points behind with a game in hand.
Hodgson has hardly been shit on by Mcleish Doc.
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I didn't say 'shit on' mate. But with an arguably worse, and certainly less experienced squad, he has still outperformed them.
 
whoever the new manager is I hope he does what no manager has managed to do in 20 years, buy a wide player worthy of the name (we didn't buy macmoneyman).
 
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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40043.msg1097598#msg1097598 date=1272798715]
IF we had to go British, I would take King Kenny back.

Yeh, he's been out of the game for yonks, but that romanticism behind it turns me on.


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That really is a non starter Ro-Land. Almost as mad as installing Carra. I mean Kenny has a reputation to protect which is unlikely to remain in tact as he's been out of the game for over a decade.

Carra has passion for the club in spades, but manager? Fuck off!
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Cheers for the head's up on Kenny, Sherlock.

But yeh, installing Carra would be cretinous at best.
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40043.msg1097510#msg1097510 date=1272791268]
In terms of the league, hasn't McCleish outperformed Hodgson?

I'm thinking he has.
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Four points behind with a game in hand.
Hodgson has hardly been shit on by Mcleish Doc.
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I didn't say 'shit on' mate. But with an arguably worse, and certainly less experienced squad, he has still outperformed them.
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Sorry Doc. the point I was trying to make that even in the league the diferrence in their respective teams performance is very small.

I know you are a fan of Mcleish and he may well prove to be a top manager but right now I think he needs to stay where he is for another couple of seasons, consolidate what he has achieved with Brum and then think about moving on to bigger and better things.
What we need right now is at the very least a safe pair of hands that will stabilize the club in the event of limited investment in the team and bring us back into the top four.
If new investment does come into the club, and this is more important than a change of manager right now imo, then we may be in a position to be a little more adventerous with our appointment
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40043.msg1097510#msg1097510 date=1272791268]
In terms of the league, hasn't McCleish outperformed Hodgson?

I'm thinking he has.
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Four points behind with a game in hand.
Hodgson has hardly been shit on by Mcleish Doc.
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I didn't say 'shit on' mate. But with an arguably worse, and certainly less experienced squad, he has still outperformed them.
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Sorry Doc. the point I was trying to make that even in the league the diferrence in their respective teams performance is very small.

I know you are a fan of Mcleish and he may well prove to be a top manager but right now I think he needs to stay where he is for another couple of seasons, consolidate what he has achieved with Brum and then think about moving on to bigger and better things.
What we need right now is at the very least a safe pair of hands that will stabilize the club in the event of limited investment in the team and bring us back into the top four.
If new investment does come into the club, and this is more important than a change of manager right now imo, then we may be in a position to be a little more adventerous with our appointment
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I think he already is a top manager Count, and he is a safe pair of hands, it isn't like he's a maverick straight out of coaching school. He's been managing since 1994, and has won titles, has European experience, and has even managed the Scottish international (very well, as it happened). He's ready for a big job if only somebody has the balls to give him a shot.



I don't see him as risky. Someone like Mancini is a much more risky appointment
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40043.msg1097510#msg1097510 date=1272791268]
In terms of the league, hasn't McCleish outperformed Hodgson?

I'm thinking he has.
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Four points behind with a game in hand.
Hodgson has hardly been shit on by Mcleish Doc.
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I didn't say 'shit on' mate. But with an arguably worse, and certainly less experienced squad, he has still outperformed them.
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Sorry Doc. the point I was trying to make that even in the league the diferrence in their respective teams performance is very small.

I know you are a fan of Mcleish and he may well prove to be a top manager but right now I think he needs to stay where he is for another couple of seasons, consolidate what he has achieved with Brum and then think about moving on to bigger and better things.
What we need right now is at the very least a safe pair of hands that will stabilize the club in the event of limited investment in the team and bring us back into the top four.
If new investment does come into the club, and this is more important than a change of manager right now imo, then we may be in a position to be a little more adventerous with our appointment
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I think he already is a top manager Count, and he is a safe pair of hands, it isn't like he's a maverick straight out of coaching school. He's been managing since 1994, and has won titles, has European experience, and has even managed the Scottish international (very well, as it happened). He's ready for a big job if only somebody has the balls to give him a shot.



I don't see him as risky. Someone like Mancini is a much more risky appointment
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You don't happen to work in sales, do you Doc?
 
Doc its probably worth mentioning that Fulham have been coasting and putting out scratch sides in the league since they got to the knockout stages of the Europa.
I think they would be a good 6 or 7 points better off if they hadn't been resting duffs, zamoras, dempseys etc.
 
The last British manager to get to the UEFA Cup final was Steve Van Claren.

He's just become the first manager in FC Twente's history to win the league.

Shall we get him as manager?
 
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The last British manager to get to the UEFA Cup final was Steve Van Claren.

He's just become the first manager in FC Twente's history to win the league.

Shall we get him as manager?
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Nope. Another ginge.

No gingers please.
 
I've been a fan of Hodgeson's for a good 18 months and would welcome his appointment to the club. Jose has to be the top target, though. I don't know anything about other foreign managers.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40043.msg1098033#msg1098033 date=1272825797]
The last British manager to get to the UEFA Cup final was Steve Van Claren.

He's just become the first manager in FC Twente's history to win the league.

Shall we get him as manager?
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Steve Van Claren is the first English coach to win a 'major' European league title since Sir Bobby Robson with Porto in 1996.

I'v en ever heard of this Van Claren bloke, but with a record like that he must be good. I say we sign him up NOW!
 
I'd love an English/British Manager and there are plenty of options.

If we are looking at the likes of Pelligrini and other geniuses, I'll meet you back here in 6 years for this same discussion.
 
i'd deffo go with mcleish if we had to go british. hodgo is as meh as it gets, and he's very old; the idea of an interim manager is horrible. mcleish at least has a bit of energy about him. i'd still be gutted, but quite curious.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40043.msg1097574#msg1097574 date=1272795735]
If Torres wants to fuck off after one bad season then he's welcome to go.
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It isn't just about him though is it? He has agents and advisers all of whom will be trying to get a slice of his next contract. It is world cup year, and here in Spain Football is a god like creation, with Nando near the top of the pile.

I'm sure he has some loyalty to Liverpool and if Rafa stays or another top European manager is instated I could see him staying. But I fear the worst if we appoint Hodgson, Gollum, Mcleish etc. His advisers would have a field day.

The trouble is his advisers will not have his nor Liverpools interests at heart.
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He's a grown man mate and can make his own decisions. Ultimately he'll make the final decision.
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The line above about his advisors is pertinent.

If this club is to go forward we need to offload the dross, retain our backbone, i.e. our best players, and add quality to the squad. That can only be done IMO, by bringing in a top manager (Mourinho, Capello, Lippi, Hiddinck, Van Gaal etc.) who is properly bankrolled. We have been damaged this year by a number of critical factors not least injuries and are a far better team than 7th suggests. I like Hodgeson, a lot, but I doubt he is the man to take us forward, or even prevent our best players from moving on. Same goes for McLeish.

The only proviso I would make to that is if we were to be offered a ludicrous amount for Torres (say GBP80M) which we could be guaranteed would be used to strengthen the 1st team (for example) 4 x 20M players or any permutation utilising that 80 + other alloted funds could be upwards of 5 real quality players added to the team and that, bearing in mind Torres' injuries and our reliance on 2 men, could be better for us overall.

If an Arab or Chinese group is going to take us over, then 'face' will be an important aspect of that, they will both want to be seen as winners, and I'm sure that the commencement of work on the stadium, a top manager and a marquee signing will all be part of our Summer. I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=40043.msg1098118#msg1098118 date=1272847947]

I'd love an English/British Manager and there are plenty of options.

If we are looking at the likes of Pelligrini and other geniuses, I'll meet you back here in 6 years for this same discussion.
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There are so many options that the English national team went with a "genius" like Capello.
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40043.msg1097510#msg1097510 date=1272791268]
In terms of the league, hasn't McCleish outperformed Hodgson?

I'm thinking he has.
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Hasn't he spent shitloads more money as well?
[/quote]I don't know how much Mcleish has spent but the radio this morning had Hodgson spending 16m total in 3 seasons. When he took over they were rock solid favourites for relegation with a rubbish team and in three years they're in a European final and safe by Christmas each year. Schwarzer, Hangaaland, Dempsey, Zamora, Duff, Gera all brought in, and all very good players. He's worked a small miracle AND he plays attractive passing football WITH WIDEMEN.
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He's the greatest exponent of shape, structure, and defensive solidity in World management Andy. Not that there's anything wrong with that like, but don't be under the impression he sets out teams to attack, pass, and dazzle their way to wins. Everything he does is about shape and structure. He bores even his own players.
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40043.msg1097510#msg1097510 date=1272791268]
In terms of the league, hasn't McCleish outperformed Hodgson?

I'm thinking he has.
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Hasn't he spent shitloads more money as well?
[/quote]I don't know how much Mcleish has spent but the radio this morning had Hodgson spending 16m total in 3 seasons. When he took over they were rock solid favourites for relegation with a rubbish team and in three years they're in a European final and safe by Christmas each year. Schwarzer, Hangaaland, Dempsey, Zamora, Duff, Gera all brought in, and all very good players. He's worked a small miracle AND he plays attractive passing football WITH WIDEMEN.
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He's the greatest exponent of shape, structure, and defensive solidity in World management Andy. Not that there's anything wrong with that like, but don't be under the impression he sets out teams to attack, pass, and dazzle their way to wins. Everything he does is about shape and structure. He bores even his own players.

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So you'd love him then?
 
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40043.msg1097510#msg1097510 date=1272791268]
In terms of the league, hasn't McCleish outperformed Hodgson?

I'm thinking he has.
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Hasn't he spent shitloads more money as well?
[/quote]I don't know how much Mcleish has spent but the radio this morning had Hodgson spending 16m total in 3 seasons. When he took over they were rock solid favourites for relegation with a rubbish team and in three years they're in a European final and safe by Christmas each year. Schwarzer, Hangaaland, Dempsey, Zamora, Duff, Gera all brought in, and all very good players. He's worked a small miracle AND he plays attractive passing football WITH WIDEMEN.
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He's the greatest exponent of shape, structure, and defensive solidity in World management Andy. Not that there's anything wrong with that like, but don't be under the impression he sets out teams to attack, pass, and dazzle their way to wins. Everything he does is about shape and structure. He bores even his own players.

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So you'd love him then?
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Ha.

I don't really *love* such tactics, I suppose I've just commented on the trend and how successful it's been.
 
It would be nice to have a English or British manager manage us but I don't think there's anyone good enough to be honest.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40043.msg1098251#msg1098251 date=1272878740]
Do you have a clip of the last minute winner you scored Ryan?

Would like to analyze the goal please.
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Wasn't last minute, and no.

There are photos on the web I'm sure.
 
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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40043.msg1098251#msg1098251 date=1272878740]
Do you have a clip of the last minute winner you scored Ryan?

Would like to analyze the goal please.
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Wasn't last minute, and no.

There are photos on the web I'm sure.
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What position do you play?
 
[quote author=miker221 link=topic=40043.msg1098042#msg1098042 date=1272828396]
McLeish reminds me of this guy. Maybe for all his post match interviews he could answer with one-liners and hire a banshee to stand next to him and howl.

CSI Miami - Endless Caruso One Liners
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haha. They are rather similar looking. Since he's in Brum he could get Noddy Holder to do the howl.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40043.msg1098253#msg1098253 date=1272878831]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40043.msg1098251#msg1098251 date=1272878740]
Do you have a clip of the last minute winner you scored Ryan?

Would like to analyze the goal please.
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Wasn't last minute, and no.

There are photos on the web I'm sure.
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What position do you play?
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Striker.
 
I don't understand why there's a thread about the nationality of the Liverpool manager

Does anyone really care where he was born?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40043.msg1098274#msg1098274 date=1272880791]
I don't understand why there's a thread about the nationality of the Liverpool manager

Does anyone really care where he was born?
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Good point, and no.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40043.msg1098274#msg1098274 date=1272880791]
I don't understand why there's a thread about the nationality of the Liverpool manager

Does anyone really care where he was born?
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Good point, and no.
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I suppose we should be careful about discounting British managers though, and that seems to be happening more often with the top teams. I f there is a talented British manager he shouldn't be discounted for the sake of bringing in a foreign name.
 
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