• You may have to login or register before you can post and view our exclusive members only forums.
    To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Big Andy

Status
Not open for further replies.
The likes of Assaidi and Yesil could yet turn out to be shrewd signings. Both cheap, and on significantly lower wages than our outgoing players. Borini could prove to be a useful pickup, too. I think too much is being made of the Carroll situation, simply because of how much we paid for him. After all, that was the mistake of the last management team. Rodgers doesn't see a use for him, so he's just trying to make the best of a bad situation. It may yet blow up in his face, but I think we have to give him the benefit of the doubt until it does.

I haven't really got a problem with Rodgers's part in any of this, with the slight exception of him being a bit too candid about it, it's more the owners. I just can't shake my impression that they're basically just idiots. It's like they're saving money in the wrong places and not investing in the right places.

It's all very unconvincing.
 
I haven't really got a problem with Rodgers's part in any of this, with the slight exception of him being a bit too candid about it, it's more the owners. I just can't shake my impression that they're basically just idiots. It's like they're saving money in the wrong places and not investing in the right places.

It's all very unconvincing.

They're learning Pete, it's pretty obvious they've shit themselves over the wage bill, and a waste of transfer money over their first 18 months. I don't get the shit they're getting, they've tried to address it by getting rid of high earners, bringing in a manager who will promote (and buy) youth and whom will spend within a restricted structure. They've made all the right noises in that sense, they might yeeehaaa cowboys who know fuck all about 'soccer' but the signs are there that they're not like the last lot, throwing money that isn't theirs at a manager who's intent on wrapping himself in a straight jacket.
 
Yep, as you touched on in your first sentence. Rodgers hasn't dealt with transfers of this nature before, with massive £35m players, he got thrown into the firing line, answering questions over it, knowing politically, we had to sell, he looked like a cunt, because how else do you do it first time? He fucked up, so what? He was left out to dry over it and that's the owners fault, no one else's, for them putting their trust in Kenny who in hindsight was out of it regarding transfers, and then hiring a young inexperienced manager to deal with the shit. How do you do it though? Should the owners have come out after sacking Kenny and said he wasted the money, all the players signed are shit and we're going to look to flog them to the highest bidder?

And just for the record, as per it's laughable that the Rafa fans are out in force picking the bits out of the Carroll deal that we know fuck all about yet. If that idiot hadn't thrown £20m at every Tom, Dick & Harry, we wouldn't be stuck in this pit that Rodgers is left crawling out of.

I think you're wrong mate.

Purslow was responsible for most of the bad deals done before FSG got here. Rafa made 2 questionable signings in his 6 years: Keane and Aquilani, but Keane was forced on him by Parry and Aquilani was world class and never got a chance to show what he could do.

You're also forgetting that Rafa was solely responsible for revamping the academy and therefore basically saving the club hundreds of millions of pounds. You need to be just a bit balanced in your assessment and admit that he was almost a Christ-like figure in our club's recent history.
 
Awaits Ryans response....
95% chance of mentioning Kenny

Much as I’m pleased he’s gone, I’d have been more pleased if we’d got 15-20M in return, so there’s not much to be happy about is there?

And as for all the fucking idiots claiming Rodgers “has handled this badly, devalued Carolll blah blah blah” – for the 5 millionth time; Rodgers didn’t spend 35M on him in the fucking first place. He’s walked into a job, been given 20M and told whatever else you want after that comes from you getting rid of the fucking mess the previous guy left behind.
 
In the short term, Rafa made mistakes, and let's not reduce it solely to Keane and Aquilani. Johnson has taken until the last 6 months or so to win fairly unanimous support, Riera was a waste, as was Dosenna, as was Babel, as were a load of other players and a shit load of youngsters he spent money on.

Rafa wasn't solely responsible for the academy, Houllier might have had his issues with it but he also introduced a more continental approach which took years of fighting against the old rear guard to implement. Rafa wanted an oversight of every aspect of the club to the point of wanting his style of play introduced to the academy (I know enough lads who've played there and a few who turned the academy down because of this ideal).

Solely responsible is well wide of the mark. He fucked a few things up but made a great contribution too, but he wasn't the sole instigator, it was developed over a number of years. And if he'd paid more attention to our flaws on the pitch, things might have been different.

Christ like figure? In hindsight because of recent problems yeah, but let's not rewrite history.
 
When assigning blame round the AC affair the order is Kenny, Commoli, FSG and finally Rogers and with the latter you could argue that the points made by Mark are valid, nonetheless there was just too much said by Rogers.

Long and short of it is Kenny oversaw one of the most catastrophic transfer windows in the history of the club and it will probably take another 2 transfer windows to fully recover.
 
Much as I’m pleased he’s gone, I’d have been more pleased if we’d got 15-20M in return, so there’s not much to be happy about is there?

And as for all the fucking idiots claiming Rodgers “has handled this badly, devalued Carolll blah blah blah” – for the 5 millionth time; Rodgers didn’t spend 35M on him in the fucking first place. He’s walked into a job, been given 20M and told whatever else you want after that comes from you getting rid of the fucking mess the previous guy left behind.

Yeah, people are going on as if Rodgers had signed him in the first place, if a player doesn't fit into his plans regardless of his transfer fee, he has to go. What is the point in keeping someone he doesn't want and was shite for 15 months?!
 
Much as I’m pleased he’s gone, I’d have been more pleased if we’d got 15-20M in return, so there’s not much to be happy about is there?

And as for all the fucking idiots claiming Rodgers “has handled this badly, devalued Carolll blah blah blah” – for the 5 millionth time; Rodgers didn’t spend 35M on him in the fucking first place. He’s walked into a job, been given 20M and told whatever else you want after that comes from you getting rid of the fucking mess the previous guy left behind.

So true.
 
I haven't really got a problem with Rodgers's part in any of this, with the slight exception of him being a bit too candid about it, it's more the owners. I just can't shake my impression that they're basically just idiots. It's like they're saving money in the wrong places and not investing in the right places.

It's all very unconvincing.

I think it's pretty obvious that they don't know what they're doing. It was a pretty clear admission that they'd got it badly wrong when they gave Dalglish and Comolli over £100 million to spend and then sacked them 12 months later. As mark said though, I think there's been a pretty noticeable commitment to getting it right, and the more people they employ who do know what they're doing, the better the advice they'll receive, and the better decisions they'll make. Hopefully. They're new to this, and need a bit of patience in the same way that Rodgers does.
 
He wasn't shite for 15 months, convenient though it is to claim he was.

What the fuck are you on about ? - he was never a liverpool player NEVER NEVER NEVER !!! I know this might sound a little strange - but it's me so I don't give a shit. Whenever a team signs somone for £35M - its usually the case that most of Europe will have heard of that player. We signed a nobody - thats what we did (actually Kenny/Comolli) - when we replaced him for Torres and I finally got sight of him (I admit - I didn't have a clue about him), and all the talk was of a powerfull header and blah blah blah, I actually thought it was an attempt by the owners to prepare the club for its ultimate demise in true Evertonian style by replacing a world class talent with an imitation of Duncan Ferguson (remember him ?). Fuck me !!!
 
He wasn't shite for 15 months, convenient though it is to claim he was.

Sorry, should have said he was useless for 15 months, as he was dodgy goods as soon as we bought him. This was my take on the situation a month ago, but like Ryan said i'd rather we sold him outright.

Jeeez! what's with all the Rodgers hating...what's he said that i've missed?

You all seem to have a lot of respect for a guy despite him being one of the prime candidates in assisting a club legend being made redundant. Kenny had a lot of faith in him (too much), even purchasing players who were supposed to compliment his game and found out the hard way. Our goalscoring last year was horrific, the worst since i've been a fan. He's had 18 months to show his worth but decided with two or three months of the season to go and the prospect of a European Championship tournament to pull his socks up. Prior to this his attitude was atrocious for a professional footballer, not mentioning other facets of his game that are well below Premier League level. Can someone tell me the difference between him and Kevin Davies, apart from being younger and possessing an extensive criminal record? Had Fabio Capello not resigned, Carroll would have been nowhere near Poland/Ukraine as he didn't feature in any of the 7 games before he decided to walk.

I could bring up threads as recently as March and April to show what other fans views were of him. I appreciate he is now determined to stay but why couldn't he show that kind of desire at the start of the season for a manager who gambled his footballing future and for a club who broke their transfer record by £12m?

As for feeling sorry for him....seriously? I reserve my sorrow for players who have experienced real hardship and misfortune....Brad Jones, Jody Craddock, Palacios, Muamba. The only thing bothering me is the fee we'll receive for him and I certainly don't want him going out on loan. I trust Brendan 100%, whether Carroll stays or not.
 
In the short term, Rafa made mistakes, and let's not reduce it solely to Keane and Aquilani. Johnson has taken until the last 6 months or so to win fairly unanimous support, Riera was a waste, as was Dosenna, as was Babel, as were a load of other players and a shit load of youngsters he spent money on.

Rafa wasn't solely responsible for the academy, Houllier might have had his issues with it but he also introduced a more continental approach which took years of fighting against the old rear guard to implement. Rafa wanted an oversight of every aspect of the club to the point of wanting his style of play introduced to the academy (I know enough lads who've played there and a few who turned the academy down because of this ideal).

Solely responsible is well wide of the mark. He fucked a few things up but made a great contribution too, but he wasn't the sole instigator, it was developed over a number of years. And if he'd paid more attention to our flaws on the pitch, things might have been different.

Christ like figure? In hindsight because of recent problems yeah, but let's not rewrite history.

I was just winding you up mate.
 
There's a long line of cunts I hate in the world of football but Alan Pardew has to be up there. Just saw him on SSN stating the obvious, namely that 'Liverpool gave us £35M for AC' with a huge grin on his face. Now I'd be fekin jumping around if someone gave us £35M for a average footballer so he has a reason to smile but that face just needs a good pummeling.

You'd think they'd won something. I mean anything.
 
There's a long line of cunts I hate in the world of football but Alan Pardew has to be up there. Just saw him on SSN stating the obvious, namely that 'Liverpool gave us £35M for AC' with a huge grin on his face. Now I'd be fekin jumping around if someone gave us £35M for a average footballer so he has a reason to smile but that face just needs a good pummeling.

You'd think they'd won something. I mean anything.

I wish I could get angry at Pardew but I can't. However if you bring up the names of the people who decided to spend that much on Andy from our side thinking it was ok to do that, then I get angry and lose it completely. Really, its not Newcastles fault, its the buyers fault for not using their head and judgement based on existing purchases that have historically taken place across Europe for top strikers, average strikers, shit strikers.

Sometimes I feel all of this would have been easier to take if we had rejected Torres's transfer request back then, perhaps playing with Suarez he may have thought things would improve and decide to stay on and fight for the club to succeed. At least in that scenario I need never have experienced the club I support wasting away £35M on an unproven player. To think 3M extra and we could have got Aguero !!!! 😱🙁
 
Moron - give it a rest for a day or two will ya? I know you mean well, but you're cluttering every page of every thread mate, and it's getting a bit irritating.

I appreciate I'm not a mod, so you can tell me to shove this advice quite rightly, but just thought I'd help you out a touch and ensure you don't have to keep repeating yourself every 5 mins.

Slow it down.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Leo
If what I just read is correct and we turned down 2M loan fee plus a guaranteed 17M and instead held out for 1.5M with an "option" to buy.....

How do these rich people get so rich when they are so utterly fucking clueless?? truly awful stuff from the club that is....
 
We got hosed, we move on. Deal with the pain. We'll make it back on some future deal. But time to accept Kenny and commoli really damaged us in the transfer market. Time to accept that the Brit pack of four are all duds. Not one proven star. Really poor judgement. They really got it wrong, the judges are in..

Can we lick our wounds and speak of it no more?
 
I wish I could get angry at Pardew but I can't. However if you bring up the names of the people who decided to spend that much on Andy from our side thinking it was ok to do that, then I get angry and lose it completely. Really, its not Newcastles fault, its the buyers fault for not using their head and judgement based on existing purchases that have historically taken place across Europe for top strikers, average strikers, shit strikers.

Sometimes I feel all of this would have been easier to take if we had rejected Torres's transfer request back then, perhaps playing with Suarez he may have thought things would improve and decide to stay on and fight for the club to succeed. At least in that scenario I need never have experienced the club I support wasting away £35M on an unproven player. To think 3M extra and we could have got Aguero !!!! 😱🙁

I think allot of us have made that point. Blame lies with LFC, however that doesn't stop me wanting to smack Pardew.

Most people on here agree that blame lies with the previous management and FSG for sanctioning that madness. As I said, for the most part this window has been good, we should hopefully recover in another 2 🙂

PS Aguero would have cost another 10-15M+ a year on wages.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom