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Aquilani To Leave On Loan

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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41516.msg1288112#msg1288112 date=1298190831]
Don't care tbh, if they don't want to pay up there will be other potential suitors. I'm guessing both Milano clubs will be interested, as they would need a new midfielder. Let's hope he continues his good season and cranks up the price.
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With Pirlo leaving Milan, they should be in the market for his replacement and Aquilani could do that. There you go, 10-20 million easy.
 
That's a good call actually.

Are Milan really going to let Pirlo leave? Is he completely past it now?

He's only 31 so you'd have thought he'd have another 5 or 6 years in that team!
 
Aquilani has been in great form for Juve and therell be takers for him.

Juve are pleading poverty but looking at £30M+ rated Rossi.

They already caught us for Poulsen. We owe them!
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41516.msg1288172#msg1288172 date=1298198367]
That's a good call actually.

Are Milan really going to let Pirlo leave? Is he completely past it now?

He's only 31 so you'd have thought he'd have another 5 or 6 years in that team!
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News reports last week said Milan would let him go on a free ... barca & real were sniffing as per those reports, but somehow I doubt it. He'll probably end up with Chelsea (Ancelotti will try and get him and Kaka together again) or Juve/Roma.

I don't really think he's past it ...
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41516.msg1288142#msg1288142 date=1298196247]
If Aquilani were going to stay fit and firing on all cylinders, maybe, but neither's going to happen. He'll get crocked again if he spends any length of time playing in the Prem, and he'll be spitting tacks that he couldn't stay in Italy. £5-8 mill.is a joke and I wouldn't want to see him sold for that, but I'd sooner have the agreed fee than the player, all day long.
[/quote]Why do you say that?
Why isnt it going to happen? He's played the same amount of games as Meireles this season and been their best players. Its a myth he is broken and a myth he cant handle physicality. Started by brendan perpetuated by most.
Aquilani is class and i want him back.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41516.msg1288187#msg1288187 date=1298199896]
What about the (at least 3) games he pulled out of through illness? Pretty poor surely?
[/quote]No one is fit all the time mate.......Lucas exluded.
Agger and Gerrard are out as we speak. Who would you rather we had in midfield during the week? Poulsen, Aquilani or Maxi.

The point is, he is OUR player. We dont have to sign him, he belongs to us and he was CLASS at Roma, didnt get a chance here and has been CLASS at Juventus. I cant believe anyone would judge him on the half a season of recuperation he had here when in fact in half the games he played he was the best player on the pitch.

It pains me that we OWN him and he plays at Juve. And we have Poulsen.

Roy is a chump.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41516.msg1288184#msg1288184 date=1298199572]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41516.msg1288142#msg1288142 date=1298196247]
If Aquilani were going to stay fit and firing on all cylinders, maybe, but neither's going to happen. He'll get crocked again if he spends any length of time playing in the Prem, and he'll be spitting tacks that he couldn't stay in Italy. £5-8 mill.is a joke and I wouldn't want to see him sold for that, but I'd sooner have the agreed fee than the player, all day long.
[/quote]Why do you say that?
Why isnt it going to happen? He's played the same amount of games as Meireles this season and been their best players. Its a myth he is broken and a myth he cant handle physicality. Started by brendan perpetuated by most.
Aquilani is class and i want him back.
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That still doesn't mean he'll be able to play at Liverpool at the level he's shown with Juve (& Roma obviously too) ... I don't think he's 'broken' or can't handle physicality but he doesn't really fit into the team if we play Gerrard & Raul & a DM ... That being said, if they don't want to pay us the money - then he'll be back.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=41516.msg1288195#msg1288195 date=1298200433]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41516.msg1288184#msg1288184 date=1298199572]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41516.msg1288142#msg1288142 date=1298196247]
If Aquilani were going to stay fit and firing on all cylinders, maybe, but neither's going to happen. He'll get crocked again if he spends any length of time playing in the Prem, and he'll be spitting tacks that he couldn't stay in Italy. £5-8 mill.is a joke and I wouldn't want to see him sold for that, but I'd sooner have the agreed fee than the player, all day long.
[/quote]Why do you say that?
Why isnt it going to happen? He's played the same amount of games as Meireles this season and been their best players. Its a myth he is broken and a myth he cant handle physicality. Started by brendan perpetuated by most.
Aquilani is class and i want him back.
[/quote]

That still doesn't mean he'll be able to play at Liverpool at the level he's shown with Juve (& Roma obviously too) ... I don't think he's 'broken' or can't handle physicality but he doesn't really fit into the team if we play Gerrard & Raul & a DM ... That being said, if they don't want to pay us the money - then he'll be back.
[/quote]Sure but thats a different issue. If people are saying we have no place for him then thats fine but to say he cant stay fit or wont cut it is not the case in my mind.
 
Concur. Maybe the 3-5-2 would suit him really well ... I dunno - but I did think it was a mistake to let him leave because we're playing the whole year with two 'creative' midfielders in Gerrard and Raul ... That's was a stupid risk to take.
 
----------------------------------Reina-------------------------------------
Johnson------------Agger------------Carragher-----------------Kelly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------DM-------------------------------------------
--------------Aquilani------------------Gerrard----------------------------
--------------------------------RAUL--------------
--------------Saurez----------------------------Carroll-------------------
--------------
 
It is ludicrous that we don't have Aquilani, but then again, he would have suffered under Roy anyway so his departure was inevitable. What gets me is the short sightedness. Giving them an option was to give up on the player, it was saying no matter how good you are for Juve we don't want you. That really pisses me off.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=41516.msg1288218#msg1288218 date=1298201509]
It is ludicrous that we don't have Aquilani, but then again, he would have suffered under Roy anyway so his departure was inevitable. What gets me is the short sightedness. Giving them an option was to give up on the player, it was saying no matter how good you are for Juve we don't want you. That really pisses me off.
[/quote]*Hands the good doctor one end of his 'BRING OUR BOY HOME' banner*
 
It seems though that rafa didn't trust him and roy (I know) didn't trust him, so there was clearly some issue.

I wouldn't mind keeping him I guess. I don't really mind either way.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41516.msg1288221#msg1288221 date=1298201611]
It seems though that rafa didn't trust him and roy (I know) didn't trust him, so there was clearly some issue.

I wouldn't mind keeping him I guess. I don't really mind either way.
[/quote]He wasnt fit under Rafa though.
I think in hindsight we shouldnt have signed him, he was a lot further away from fitness than we were led to believe and we needed him there and then. But once he got fit he scored, created and looked the fucking business (as he did for Roma and Italy and now does for Juve) then we give him a full pre-season to get him fully fit and then we send him to Juve were he has played as many games as Raul (23) and been along with Krasic their best player.
I remember Hodgson saying he couldnt gaurantee him a starting place in the team and then he signed that fucking piece of shit Poulsen who EVERYONE knew was shit. Its a bad joke.
 
There was a load of doomtalk a couple of months ago when we were 14th and they were 3rd, but now were both 6th and he's our player there should be no argument about Juve either paying the top dollar or us accepting the gozzy little quilt back into our loving arms.
 
That lets Rafa off a bit easy though.

There were loads of games where he was clearly fit enough to play but wasnt named in favour of Lucas; the fact that Roy did the same to me indicates that 2 managers got it wrong, when at the time we all thought it just meant Aquilani was shit.
 
From the bits we've seen, in terms of respective value, would anyone argue that Aquilani was worth more than say, Ming?
 
Not to us, no, but his worth to a club which wants him is another matter. For whatever reason - and I don't accept what Oncy among others says about that, as I think he wildly overrates what Aquilani actually produced when he did play - he's done far better in Italy than he did over here, and (a point which many on here seem determined to ignore) he's clearly desperate to stay there. I don't see any point at all in forcing him back if we can avoid it. Far better to get a decent fee and use it to strengthen other, much weaker areas of the team.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41516.msg1161193#msg1161193 date=1282672718]
Has anyone ever paid the full fee to make a deal permanent? Don't they just wait and either fuck him off or pay less?
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It always seems to happen.
 
That's the point though, Jules.

Not sure if we're going to get a good fee for him when all Italy knows he's desperate to stay in Italy and doesnt want to come back here; fuck knows why the little shit wanted to come here in the first place.

Maybe he thought there's be Beatles tribute bands serenading him to sleep every night.

Thankfully the current owners *probably* arent going to let him or any other club fuck us over anymore.

The rest of Europe needs to realise that Liverpool arent transfer pussies anymore.
 
I think it was a combination of needing a fresh start and having a typically pushy agent that brought Aquilani over here.

I don't disagree about the need to play hardball over the fee BTW, Avvy, far from it, but I'd be doing that very much with a view to achieving a sale in the end, unlike Oncy who seems quite relaxed about the prospect of bringing Aquilani back. I on the other hand am not (in my view it would be a bad move for club and player alike) and that's why I've consistently disagreed with you and others over whether it was right to let Aquilani go on loan in the first place. Rafa's earlier insistence on playing Lucas in CM was a bad mistake, but playing Aquilani instead wouldn't have helped (IMO of course). Stevie G should have been playing in that position.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41516.msg1288216#msg1288216 date=1298201472]
----------------------------------Reina-------------------------------------
Johnson------------Agger------------Carragher-----------------Kelly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------DM-------------------------------------------
--------------Aquilani------------------Gerrard----------------------------
--------------------------------RAUL--------------
--------------Saurez----------------------------Carroll-------------------
--------------

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You're usually spot on Andy, but this is a bit of the mark. Very narrow. I'd sell Aqua and get in a winger.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41516.msg1288304#msg1288304 date=1298210978]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41516.msg1288216#msg1288216 date=1298201472]
----------------------------------Reina-------------------------------------
Johnson------------Agger------------Carragher-----------------Kelly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------DM-------------------------------------------
--------------Aquilani------------------Gerrard----------------------------
--------------------------------RAUL--------------
--------------Saurez----------------------------Carroll-------------------
--------------

[/quote]

You're usually spot on Andy, but this is a bit of the mark. Very narrow. I'd sell Aqua and get in a winger.
[/quote]A winger?
 
Loaning out Aquilani never made any sense.

It was explained away as lowering the wage bill, protecting his value, etc, and then we went and signed an injury-prone Joe Cole for £90,000k a week.

I do think he could work under Dalglish. Aquilani is Mr Pass and Move.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41516.msg1288339#msg1288339 date=1298217513]
Loaning out Aquilani never made any sense.

It was explained away as lowering the wage bill, protecting his value, etc, and then we went and signed an injury-prone Joe Cole or £90,000k a week.

I do think he could work under Dalglish. Aquilani is Mr Pass and Move.
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Zackerly.
 
Aquilani's replacement was probably Ming, though it's still spurious exactly what Hodgson had in mind since the first thing he did was to put him on the wing.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=41516.msg1288346#msg1288346 date=1298218337]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41516.msg1288339#msg1288339 date=1298217513]
Loaning out Aquilani never made any sense.

It was explained away as lowering the wage bill, protecting his value, etc, and then we went and signed an injury-prone Joe Cole or £90,000k a week.

I do think he could work under Dalglish. Aquilani is Mr Pass and Move.
[/quote]

Zackerly.
[/quote]

Questions about Cole's signing don't make Aquilani's loan a mistake. The club took a decision that Aquilani wasn't going to suit us after all - one which I agree with, however many other rickets those responsible may have dropped in other respects - and tried to sell him outright. Nobody went for it, so loaning him out was a necessary halfway house.

As it happens I agree that Dalglish's approach to the game would suit Aquilani better than either Rafa's or Roy's were going to. None of that addresses Aquilani's lack of (a) ability to cope with the pace and harshness of English football and (b) willingness to play here as opposed to back home in Italy.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41516.msg1288377#msg1288377 date=1298224835]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=41516.msg1288346#msg1288346 date=1298218337]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41516.msg1288339#msg1288339 date=1298217513]
Loaning out Aquilani never made any sense.

It was explained away as lowering the wage bill, protecting his value, etc, and then we went and signed an injury-prone Joe Cole or £90,000k a week.

I do think he could work under Dalglish. Aquilani is Mr Pass and Move.
[/quote]

Zackerly.
[/quote]

Questions about Cole's signing don't make Aquilani's loan a mistake. The club took a decision that Aquilani wasn't going to suit us after all - one which I agree with, however many other rickets those responsible may have dropped in other respects - and tried to sell him outright. Nobody went for it, so loaning him out was a necessary halfway house.

As it happens I agree that Dalglish's approach to the game would suit Aquilani better than either Rafa's or Roy's were going to. None of that addresses Aquilani's lack of (a) ability to cope with the pace and harshness of English football and (b) willingness to play here as opposed to back home in Italy.
[/quote]

I'm not quite sold on A, but I think B will ultimately lead him away from us, though I'd love us to give him another chance.
 
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