Sanchez has had a great start to the season I felt, and rudiger has done well considering he's been moved around a lot (CB,RB,dropped,rwb)
Another CB target
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Way to miss the point, Fabs. NOBODY'S SAYING THERE WERE NO OTHER OPTIONS, OK? I doubt even Klopp thought that. The point is that the available ones wouldn't improve us enough to make it worth paying the fees we'd have been charged. A small improvement for a humungous fee would not be worth it, especially as we have other positions to strengthen too and aren't made of money like the other clubs in the top four.
Fabs hasn’t missed the point, you have. The argument is that there were equivalently good options.
There will have a been a ton of options. But the best the manager thought he wanted to bring in, and at the time was available, turned into an issue because of arseholes at both clubs.
So his no1 option got delayed via 1 transfer window (unless VVD changes his mind). I think that was worth the risk.
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He did, and so have you by sailing past the word "available" in my post. If there were "equivalently good" options they wouldn't have been available to us.
And therein lies the difference of opinion between the two sides.
One believes the only option available to us was VVD, the other finds that hard to believe.
It’s a pointless debate because there is no middle ground.
Your mom.
No you're wrong again. People on one side do not think he was the ONLY option. However we believe Klopp considered him the BEST option. If the transfer does happen in Jan it will have been a gamble worth taking (wouldn't have even been a gamble had a prick at LFC kept his mouth shut).
That's the opinion, but you seem to want to take it to another extreme.
I don't think making that distinction changes anything. You're trying to explain why you think what you do. The end result is the same - you think it was a case of VVD or nothing.
Any manager going in to a transfer window without a back up plan is daft.
Van dijk wasn't available as it turns out, so we looked foolish in the end
Dr vrij (on a free this summer so could have been bought for cheap), D. Sanchez, hell, even bonucci moved
To not have any of those 3 as a potential back ups is obscene
We went all out for a player we thought we could get, withdrew our interest and then fucked about for 2 months
Not as far as the manager and his staff thought. They may be right, they may be wrong, but you can't reinterpret their judgements.
The sheer expense in this current financial culture makes the stakes incredibly high. Fans might sit back and claim they may as well buy so-and-so instead, but unless that second or third choice turned out to be brilliant the same people would be queuing up to complain about what an obscene waste of money it had been. It's really disingenuous to pretend it would be otherwise.
How do you know they weren't (considered) ? What has not been mentioned here is that maybe they (or at least one of them) were considered, and maybe even clubs/agents were approached, but for one reason or another to get a deal done wasn't feasible. None of us know if there is any truth in that .. but it really seems far more likely that our coaching and scouting staff considered numerous options than believing they set their feet in stone on VVD alone.
Wasn't that the message from all reliable sources? I think for whatever reason (correct or wrong) Klopp identified Van Dijk as his ideal central defender. At this point, I am not going to argue the merits or demerit of that decision. I find it hard to believe that no other options were available especially when we were willing to spend a world record fee for a defender.
I didn't notice any media references to no-one else being considered. it was made clear that Klopp had opted decisively for van Dijk, but to assume from that that he or the club didn't even think about others goes way beyond any evidence that I'm aware of. It goes equally far beyond the bounds of probability AFAIC - Klopp and LFC will have been acutely aware of the risk involved in not setting up potential alternative deals, so I simply don't believe they'd have decided against doing so without serious consideration of (a) the quality of the players concerned, (b) the fees we'd have been charged for them, (c) whether those two factors matched up and (d) other calls on our transfer budget.
Klopp said himself that better players than what we already had don't exist or are extremely rare. I disagree.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...arent-five-better-centre-halves-already-have/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...arent-five-better-centre-halves-already-have/
Can’t believe you’re taking that at face value.
I don't think we were ever linked to any other CB. There's normally some kind of press coverage.
He didn't just identify VVD as a CB, he also identified him as his leader on the pitch, the player he wanted to shape his whole defence. This is conveniently ignored in most discussions. It's a major part of why Klopp was determined to buy this particular person rather than just another Klavan.
What does it matter how I read it? We still started the season with this pile of shite
“Well I think it seems as though they’ve put all their eggs in the Van Dijk basket, let’s say,” Pearce said.
“They were desperate to get him in the summer.
“That didn’t happen for whatever reason and they didn’t go for a second or third option.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/f...thampton-January-Transfer-News-Rumours-Gossip
...none of which says they didn't even consider other options, and what would Psycho know about it anyway?
Doh!!!! I got confused between Stuart Pearce and James Pearce.In my defense, it is still very early in the morning in the West Coast of USA...
Here is one from the more credible Pearce.
"If Klopp doesn’t get Van Dijk then he’s highly unlikely to pursue an alternative centre-back and will push on with what he’s got."
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-set-frantic-final-48-13547013
All about interpretations I guess. All reliable sources were consistent in our interest in Van Dijk. We had hardly any links to any other CB. I think Klopp and team really did put all their eggs in the Van Dijk basket.
Because you quoted it and made a statement for everyone to read?
Certainly - I've no doubt that's true. The question is whether they did it without considering whether there were realistic and worthwhile alternatives to van Dijk. Some on here seem to believe they must have done, assuming (without naming names) that there must have been such alternatives. I don't share that view.
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This. It goes way beyond logic to believe that substantial research didn't go into this. And that that research wouldn't have included all available options. Who on earth would spend £70m without due consideration therefore those bleating about LFC not having considered those options are, IMO, far far off base.
Pearce wrote that 2 days before the end of the transfer window .. I think I could have made that prediction !
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