Andy Carroll - Liverpools Number 9.
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There's no getting away from the fact that it's sad that yet another world-class player saw his future elsewhere. Even worse that he wanted to play for one of our (future) competitors.
But Carroll has been in magnificent form since the start of the season and I've been impressed every time he's stepped onto the pitch. The more you'll see, the more you'll like him. He'll become a fan favourite before long, because he has such an appetite for the game. There's worries about his off the field antics, noted - but they have never affected his performances come Saturday afternoon. His youth enthusiasm, smiles, hard work and commitment will be a breath of fresh air when contrasted to a sulky Torres, moping around on top of the pitch, more concerned with the referee than playing for his club. I doubt he'll ever have that classy, crisp finesse of Fernando Torres, who at times looked like a Pro Evo player once you had edited all his shooting, acceleration and paces stats up 99. But what he lacks in finesse Carroll makes up for in height, strength and the ability to cause a massive problems for any defence. This description undoubtedly undersells his other qualities, but they'll never be a game which will pass him buy. Never a game where he fails to make an impact or or do something positive, and that's worth it's weight in gold.
£35M worth? Doubt it. But when you try to think of a similar player to Carroll, or Torres for that matter, and you come up short, the price does begin to look understandable.
But Carroll has been in magnificent form since the start of the season and I've been impressed every time he's stepped onto the pitch. The more you'll see, the more you'll like him. He'll become a fan favourite before long, because he has such an appetite for the game. There's worries about his off the field antics, noted - but they have never affected his performances come Saturday afternoon. His youth enthusiasm, smiles, hard work and commitment will be a breath of fresh air when contrasted to a sulky Torres, moping around on top of the pitch, more concerned with the referee than playing for his club. I doubt he'll ever have that classy, crisp finesse of Fernando Torres, who at times looked like a Pro Evo player once you had edited all his shooting, acceleration and paces stats up 99. But what he lacks in finesse Carroll makes up for in height, strength and the ability to cause a massive problems for any defence. This description undoubtedly undersells his other qualities, but they'll never be a game which will pass him buy. Never a game where he fails to make an impact or or do something positive, and that's worth it's weight in gold.
£35M worth? Doubt it. But when you try to think of a similar player to Carroll, or Torres for that matter, and you come up short, the price does begin to look understandable.
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Ouch.
Michael Ricketts did look great back then, though.
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Not to the Bolton fans. I was at a Bolton v Gillingham game the year they got promoted and Ricketts was already on about 25 goals for the season. Bolton were 1-0 up but there was a lot of booing going on by the home fans. I sked the Bolton fan beside me and he said that they always Boo Ricketts because of his general attitude and lack of effort!
He also said that Bolton fans were amazed that Ricketts was getting so much attention because they saw him every week and DESPITE his goals they weren't fussed for him.
He correctly predicted that Bolton would sell him as soon as they got a decent offer. I saw Ricketts many times after that game and the fan was correct he was a liability and his initial goalscoring feat was an anomaly.
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Yeah fair enough. I just remember him banging him them in with some good finishes. It seems now, though, that he's found his level.
My point is that anyone can have a good 6 months and stir up some hype.
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Ouch.
Michael Ricketts did look great back then, though.
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Not to the Bolton fans. I was at a Bolton v Gillingham game the year they got promoted and Ricketts was already on about 25 goals for the season. Bolton were 1-0 up but there was a lot of booing going on by the home fans. I sked the Bolton fan beside me and he said that they always Boo Ricketts because of his general attitude and lack of effort!
He also said that Bolton fans were amazed that Ricketts was getting so much attention because they saw him every week and DESPITE his goals they weren't fussed for him.
He correctly predicted that Bolton would sell him as soon as they got a decent offer. I saw Ricketts many times after that game and the fan was correct he was a liability and his initial goalscoring feat was an anomaly.
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Yeah fair enough. I just remember him banging him them in with some good finishes. It seems now, though, that he's found his level.
My point is that anyone can have a good 6 months and stir up some hype.
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Haha
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John Bishop's just been on the radio and said,
"He's got to sort his hairstyle out. We can't have someone playing for Liverpool who looks as though he sells ponies to gypsies".
I lolled.
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ha ha
John Bishop's just been on the radio and said,
"He's got to sort his hairstyle out. We can't have someone playing for Liverpool who looks as though he sells ponies to gypsies".
I lolled.
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ha ha
also barclay was wrong, the replacement for Torres was carrol not suarez, so nerrr!! 😛
p.s. guillem balague DOES have contacts, who knew?
p.s. guillem balague DOES have contacts, who knew?
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We should put a bid in. He's quite good and can keep Carroll in check.
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Nolan has got tons of stick for saying what a good move this was, and been booed and jeered by his supporters.
Newcastle forum full of slagging him off, and saying get shut in summer.
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he was on LFCtv last night saying what a great move it was for liverpool and carroll. we'd have been seriously pissed off if the roles were reversed, to be fair. he really didn't sound too upset at all!
Nolan has got tons of stick for saying what a good move this was, and been booed and jeered by his supporters.
Newcastle forum full of slagging him off, and saying get shut in summer.
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he was on LFCtv last night saying what a great move it was for liverpool and carroll. we'd have been seriously pissed off if the roles were reversed, to be fair. he really didn't sound too upset at all!
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Thats what the forum is full of, they want him stripped of the captaincy, because he told Carroll to 'go for it' instead of stay
Thay are also saying he is a 'Scouse Agent' and was a 'Tap up insider'
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Yup. the Newcastle forums are going apeshit at Nolan. I sympathize with them though. Isnt he their captain?
Nolan's mates are helping Carroll settle down here also and he has made that public.
Thats what the forum is full of, they want him stripped of the captaincy, because he told Carroll to 'go for it' instead of stay
Thay are also saying he is a 'Scouse Agent' and was a 'Tap up insider'
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Yup. the Newcastle forums are going apeshit at Nolan. I sympathize with them though. Isnt he their captain?
Nolan's mates are helping Carroll settle down here also and he has made that public.
He claims to support two teams, Liverpool and Man Utd.
Real Reason we decided to buy Carroll?
Why the fuck my pics not work?
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Real Reason we decided to buy Carroll?
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there ya go
Real Reason we decided to buy Carroll?
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there ya go
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Real Reason we decided to buy Carroll?
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there ya go
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Summer I clicked the insert image and stuck the link in http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg617/scaled.php?tn=0&server=617&filename=ez3xhxjepd.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640, what did I do wrong?
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Real Reason we decided to buy Carroll?
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there ya go
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Summer I clicked the insert image and stuck the link in http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg617/scaled.php?tn=0&server=617&filename=ez3xhxjepd.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640, what did I do wrong?
try it the other way around.
take that link, highlight it, press the img button and it should work.
take that link, highlight it, press the img button and it should work.
Kevin Nolan endears himself to Newcastles fans:
[size=14pt]Liverpool have landed themselves a world beater! Kevin Nolan backs Andy Carroll to reach the top after £35m switch[/size]
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 5:06 PM on 2nd February 2011
Comments (0) Add to My Stories Newcastle captain Kevin Nolan has backed Andy Carroll to go and become one of the best strikers in the Premier League after the powerful No 9 secured a record deadline day transfer to Liverpool.
Toon idol Carroll moved to Merseyside for a whopping £35million on Monday, a move which briefly was the most expensive in history between two English clubs.
It was usurped by Fernando Torres - the man Carroll was bought in to replace - moved south to Chelsea for £50m.
Strong bond: Andy Carroll has been backed to reach the top of the game by former team-mate Kevin Nolan
But Nolan, a boyhood Liverpool fan, believes Anfield will soon forget about their departing Spaniard when Carroll gets into full swing.
He said: 'You are getting a top, top player. Obviously I’ve had a lot of texts and calls over the last day or so. I’m quite surprised at how pleased everyone is with it. He’s only just burst onto the scene in the last six months.
'Believe me you have got a top, top player. He’s going to be one of the best. There’s no-one like him in the league. He’ll score and create goals. He’ll also show great desire and commitment. That’s what Liverpool fans want and deserve.
'He’s still a young lad. Everyone forgets that. He’s great around the dressing room. He’s funny in his own witty way and as you know I’m very friendly with him.
'I managed to get away with him with a few times last year with a couple of friends of mine who are going to be in Liverpool and can help him settle in.
Out of Toon: Andy Carroll claims he was forced out of Newcastle
'When we first heard about the move he asked me what I thought. You can imagine my reaction. I was delighted for him. He’s going to be a great addition to what is a new start for Liverpool.'
Carroll has emerged as one of the most promising frontman in the Premier League since helping fire Newcastle back to the top flight at the first time of asking.
Big boots to fill: Fernando Torres left Liverpool for a record £50m
His quick start to the campaign caught the eye of Fabio Capello and the 22-year-old was promptly handed his first England cap in November. Nolan knew such recognition wasn't far away.
'I don’t think anyone could say you aren’t surprised (at the speed of his development),' he added in the interview with LFC Now. 'We always knew he had the talent. It was just whether he had the temperament. He has got that and has everything.
'Some things have been written about him that I think have been unfair. When he gets on that pitch with the quality of players you have, with Stevie and the likes of Meireles putting it on a plate for him, he won’t let them down. I’m very confident about that.
'I loved playing with him. He’ll give you everything he has got and make sure the central defenders come off knowing they’ve had a game.
'People say he’s an old-fashioned type of centre forward but I’m sure over the next five years or so you’ll see that he has more than that in his game. I think it showed in the goal he scored against Liverpool at our place this season, that he has the talent to strike a great ball too.
'I’m gutted we’ve lost him but delighted he’s gone to a fantastic club.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1352920/Kevin-Nolan-backs-Andy-Carroll-reach-35m-switch.html#ixzz1Cp5wJjes
[size=14pt]Liverpool have landed themselves a world beater! Kevin Nolan backs Andy Carroll to reach the top after £35m switch[/size]
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 5:06 PM on 2nd February 2011
Comments (0) Add to My Stories Newcastle captain Kevin Nolan has backed Andy Carroll to go and become one of the best strikers in the Premier League after the powerful No 9 secured a record deadline day transfer to Liverpool.
Toon idol Carroll moved to Merseyside for a whopping £35million on Monday, a move which briefly was the most expensive in history between two English clubs.
It was usurped by Fernando Torres - the man Carroll was bought in to replace - moved south to Chelsea for £50m.
Strong bond: Andy Carroll has been backed to reach the top of the game by former team-mate Kevin Nolan
But Nolan, a boyhood Liverpool fan, believes Anfield will soon forget about their departing Spaniard when Carroll gets into full swing.
He said: 'You are getting a top, top player. Obviously I’ve had a lot of texts and calls over the last day or so. I’m quite surprised at how pleased everyone is with it. He’s only just burst onto the scene in the last six months.
'Believe me you have got a top, top player. He’s going to be one of the best. There’s no-one like him in the league. He’ll score and create goals. He’ll also show great desire and commitment. That’s what Liverpool fans want and deserve.
'He’s still a young lad. Everyone forgets that. He’s great around the dressing room. He’s funny in his own witty way and as you know I’m very friendly with him.
'I managed to get away with him with a few times last year with a couple of friends of mine who are going to be in Liverpool and can help him settle in.
Out of Toon: Andy Carroll claims he was forced out of Newcastle
'When we first heard about the move he asked me what I thought. You can imagine my reaction. I was delighted for him. He’s going to be a great addition to what is a new start for Liverpool.'
Carroll has emerged as one of the most promising frontman in the Premier League since helping fire Newcastle back to the top flight at the first time of asking.
Big boots to fill: Fernando Torres left Liverpool for a record £50m
His quick start to the campaign caught the eye of Fabio Capello and the 22-year-old was promptly handed his first England cap in November. Nolan knew such recognition wasn't far away.
'I don’t think anyone could say you aren’t surprised (at the speed of his development),' he added in the interview with LFC Now. 'We always knew he had the talent. It was just whether he had the temperament. He has got that and has everything.
'Some things have been written about him that I think have been unfair. When he gets on that pitch with the quality of players you have, with Stevie and the likes of Meireles putting it on a plate for him, he won’t let them down. I’m very confident about that.
'I loved playing with him. He’ll give you everything he has got and make sure the central defenders come off knowing they’ve had a game.
'People say he’s an old-fashioned type of centre forward but I’m sure over the next five years or so you’ll see that he has more than that in his game. I think it showed in the goal he scored against Liverpool at our place this season, that he has the talent to strike a great ball too.
'I’m gutted we’ve lost him but delighted he’s gone to a fantastic club.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1352920/Kevin-Nolan-backs-Andy-Carroll-reach-35m-switch.html#ixzz1Cp5wJjes
Andy Carroll is probably not that familiar with the work of Hugh Everett, nor his many-worlds interpretation of quantum theory. He has probably not discussed the scorn Everett – according to Wikipedia, the father of former Eels frontman Mark Everett – attracted for his interpretation of history as many branches on a tree in which every possible past and future exists, rather than a single, straightforward narrative. Such topics, in all honesty, are rarely raised on football training grounds, or in Blu Bambu.
Explaining why Andy Carroll’s arrival by helicopter on Merseyside late on Monday night – to the delight of all the aviation enthusiasts who fill the offices of Sky Sports News – was not, as has widely been accepted, an act of deep-seated desperation by Liverpool’s new owners Fenway Sports Group, but rather a shrewd, calculated message of defiance and intent, though, requires reference to Everett’s theory.
If all possible pasts and futures – and therefore presents – exist in any number of parallel universes, then there is a Merseyside out there, somewhere, that did not see Carroll touch down on Monday night. There is a Newcastle which still has its latest home-town hero. There is a Liverpool which replaced Fernando Torres with Luis Suarez and squirrelled away the £50 million fee received from Chelsea for the Spaniard for the summer, when a proper assessment of the squad’s strengths and weaknesses could be carried out.
In that world, Newcastle passed Monday night peacefully. In that world, Chelsea are delighted, their own statement of intent reverberating around the football world. In that world, Liverpool are the losers. As well as mourning the loss of the man they loved more than any other, they can look forward only to the bleakest of seasons. They are simply waiting for it all to be over, so that, in the summer, the revolution FSG promised can begin.
Except that even that holds scant solace. FSG came in, you see, with promises of being so different to Tom Hicks and George Gillett. They would free up the funds that had previously been spent on interest and reinvest it in the team. Had they sold Torres and not replaced him – or, even, replaced him with a stop-gap signing, such as Johan Elmander – they would have stood accused of doing what their predecessors did when Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano left, of failing to invest the funds. Liverpool’s fans would have spent the next six months asking how the new owners were different, exactly, to the old owners.
In one flourish of his pen, in one tear of his chequebook, John W Henry ended that reality (at least in this universe…). Liverpool did not emerge from Manic Monday as winners, of course. They emerged as gamblers. Gamblers, though, at least have ambition. That is a priceless commodity. It is certainly worth an inflated transfer fee.
Instead of dreading seeing their team without Torres, Liverpool are now wondering what they will look like with Suarez and Carroll; they want to see how Kenny Dalglish will implement his two strikers; they can approach the rest of the campaign, not with gusto, for they remain in 7th place in the Premier League, but with intrigue. And that is better than loss.
Instead of seeing countless newspapers question their owners, their fate, their dreams and their place in or out of the elite, Liverpool have been accused of spending a vast sum of money recklessly. Arsene Wenger is disapproving of their profligacy in breaking the British transfer record, for a few moments, at least. Twice in a day they broke their club transfer record. 12 months ago, less, those same newspapers were questioning whether Liverpool would be forced to go into administration.
Whether Carroll is worth the huge sum lavished on him only time will tell. It is certainly inflated. It is hardly warranted by his experience. It is not – contrary to perception – a betrayal of FSG’s Moneyball principles. Sabermetrics, the dogma espoused in the tome which has to be read to understand the way Liverpool are going to be run, allows teams to identify young, cheap talent that can be recruited inexpensively so as to afford them a sprinkling of stardust; the Boston Red Sox are run according to Sabermetrics. They are still paying Carl Crawford $142 million over seven years. Carroll, though, remains a risk. He may fulfil his potential, justifying his fee. He may not.
But FSG may yet look back on that £35 million as the best they ever spent, regardless. How attractive would Liverpool, deprived of Torres, have been to players come summer had their owners failed to act? How deep would have been the gloom that set in at Anfield? At a club which has been in permanent dusk since Hicks and Gillett first rode into down, the dawn has broken. Many Liverpool fans would have paid anything for that feeling. At least this way, they’ve got a striker thrown in.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rorysmith/100015059/100015059/
Explaining why Andy Carroll’s arrival by helicopter on Merseyside late on Monday night – to the delight of all the aviation enthusiasts who fill the offices of Sky Sports News – was not, as has widely been accepted, an act of deep-seated desperation by Liverpool’s new owners Fenway Sports Group, but rather a shrewd, calculated message of defiance and intent, though, requires reference to Everett’s theory.
If all possible pasts and futures – and therefore presents – exist in any number of parallel universes, then there is a Merseyside out there, somewhere, that did not see Carroll touch down on Monday night. There is a Newcastle which still has its latest home-town hero. There is a Liverpool which replaced Fernando Torres with Luis Suarez and squirrelled away the £50 million fee received from Chelsea for the Spaniard for the summer, when a proper assessment of the squad’s strengths and weaknesses could be carried out.
In that world, Newcastle passed Monday night peacefully. In that world, Chelsea are delighted, their own statement of intent reverberating around the football world. In that world, Liverpool are the losers. As well as mourning the loss of the man they loved more than any other, they can look forward only to the bleakest of seasons. They are simply waiting for it all to be over, so that, in the summer, the revolution FSG promised can begin.
Except that even that holds scant solace. FSG came in, you see, with promises of being so different to Tom Hicks and George Gillett. They would free up the funds that had previously been spent on interest and reinvest it in the team. Had they sold Torres and not replaced him – or, even, replaced him with a stop-gap signing, such as Johan Elmander – they would have stood accused of doing what their predecessors did when Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano left, of failing to invest the funds. Liverpool’s fans would have spent the next six months asking how the new owners were different, exactly, to the old owners.
In one flourish of his pen, in one tear of his chequebook, John W Henry ended that reality (at least in this universe…). Liverpool did not emerge from Manic Monday as winners, of course. They emerged as gamblers. Gamblers, though, at least have ambition. That is a priceless commodity. It is certainly worth an inflated transfer fee.
Instead of dreading seeing their team without Torres, Liverpool are now wondering what they will look like with Suarez and Carroll; they want to see how Kenny Dalglish will implement his two strikers; they can approach the rest of the campaign, not with gusto, for they remain in 7th place in the Premier League, but with intrigue. And that is better than loss.
Instead of seeing countless newspapers question their owners, their fate, their dreams and their place in or out of the elite, Liverpool have been accused of spending a vast sum of money recklessly. Arsene Wenger is disapproving of their profligacy in breaking the British transfer record, for a few moments, at least. Twice in a day they broke their club transfer record. 12 months ago, less, those same newspapers were questioning whether Liverpool would be forced to go into administration.
Whether Carroll is worth the huge sum lavished on him only time will tell. It is certainly inflated. It is hardly warranted by his experience. It is not – contrary to perception – a betrayal of FSG’s Moneyball principles. Sabermetrics, the dogma espoused in the tome which has to be read to understand the way Liverpool are going to be run, allows teams to identify young, cheap talent that can be recruited inexpensively so as to afford them a sprinkling of stardust; the Boston Red Sox are run according to Sabermetrics. They are still paying Carl Crawford $142 million over seven years. Carroll, though, remains a risk. He may fulfil his potential, justifying his fee. He may not.
But FSG may yet look back on that £35 million as the best they ever spent, regardless. How attractive would Liverpool, deprived of Torres, have been to players come summer had their owners failed to act? How deep would have been the gloom that set in at Anfield? At a club which has been in permanent dusk since Hicks and Gillett first rode into down, the dawn has broken. Many Liverpool fans would have paid anything for that feeling. At least this way, they’ve got a striker thrown in.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rorysmith/100015059/100015059/
Fuck the fee.
Over the past couple of days ive grown really fucking excited by the prospect of seeing this big Geordie musclebound chiselled double ard bastard and the pistolero teaming up.
Just imagine it. With Gerrard and Meireles giving them ammunition.
FUCK ITS AWESOME.
Over the past couple of days ive grown really fucking excited by the prospect of seeing this big Geordie musclebound chiselled double ard bastard and the pistolero teaming up.
Just imagine it. With Gerrard and Meireles giving them ammunition.
FUCK ITS AWESOME.
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