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Andy Carroll - Liverpools Number 9.

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It's funny, the links between Newcastle and Scotland (yes I realise it's not far anyway). There seems to have always been, throughout our successive spells, both Scottish and Geordie links to us. Let's hope this continues and this isn't all just one big retro bubble that's about to burst.
 
"Andy Carroll has insisted he was forced to hand in a tranfer request and sign for Liverpool and was happy at Newcastle United.


Andy Carroll had become a Magpies hero over the past 18 months

News broke of Carroll's anger on Monday evening when the Editor of Newcastle United fanzine Toon Talk, Steve Wraith, published a text message conversation with Carroll with the striker clearly saying he did not want to leave the club.

Magpies manager Alan Pardew then refuted those claims, insisting that no one was sold against their will, but Carroll will not back down.

Carroll told the Newcastle Evening Chronicle on Tuesday: "[Managing director] Derek [Llambias] asked me to hand in a transfer request, so I was pushed into a corner and had no choice. I wasn't wanted by them and they made it clear they wanted the money.

"Then I flew down in (owner Mike Ashley's) helicopter. I didn't want to leave. I'm gutted that I wasn't wanted at my home team after everything I have done and the progress I have made. I didn't want to leave at all. Make sure they know I didn't want to leave. The players, staff and fans were fantastic.''

At 2.37pm GMT on Monday, Carroll told Wraith he was "not going anywhere", but by 5pm Carroll had said: "They have kind of said we don't want u but want me to say I wanna go. And I said I don't want to go."

Newcastle claimed that they accepted Liverpool's £35 million offer after the striker handed in a transfer request, but Carroll said: "No I didn't that's what I mean that's what they wanted me to do and I said no. They said they wanted to accept it."

Asked if he had no choice but to move to Anfield, he replied: "Looks like it."

Wraith then asked Carroll if he had "any message you want put across to the fans?" Carroll replied: "They said they wanted the money. Gutted to be leaving Newcastle but I was kind of pushed out the door. Gutted to be leaving my home club but I was practically told to go. Didn't want to leave that's why i signed a five-year deal."

Pardew broke his silence on Tuesday morning, and painted a very different picture to that of the player himself and indicated he thought Carroll had moved for the money.

Pardew told the Shields Gazette: "What can I say? We didn't force anybody to leave. I disagree with that point. He had a contract here for five years, and at some point it would get renewed, but for him to sign in October and it get renewed in January - where would it stop?

"Personally, I'm disappointed. He's a lovely lad, and I really like him, but it was his decision, and you can't change that. Was this about football? That's what you have to ask. I don't think it was.

"We were having a discussion about what we were going to do with that offer when Andy requested to see me. I went to see Andy, and face to face we had a conversation about him wanting a new contract, even though he signed on in October, and (he said) if he didn't get that contract, he wanted go.

"I asked him what he wanted, and I went to the board. We had a discussion about what the ramifications would be for the whole club. We took the view, with him signing a contract in October, that this would cause us all sorts of problems. We decided that we needed the conversation confirmed, and he put in a transfer request, which he did.

"He spoke to his agent, and between them they put the request in. We decided with the size of the offer, and what it meant to us, that we would accept.

"We weren't expecting him to go, so we weren't in a position to replace him. One thing I can guarantee, having spoke to Mike Ashley, is that every penny will go back into the club. Mike's assured me he won't take a penny out of the transfer."

Pardew moved to reassure fans that all of the funds from the Carroll transfer will be used to strengthen the team, and claimed that Newcastle had been priced out of last-minute moves for a replacment striker because of the "extortionate" fees demanded.

"The one thing I said to [owner] Mike [Ashley] yesterday was, 'Look, if this boy is going to go, this money has to be re-invested in the team, all of it', and he has assured me of that. For the Newcastle fan, that is the most important message I can give today, that all that money will be used.

"Could it have been used yesterday? Late last night, we made a couple of bids, but we were getting extortionate figures thrown at us. It was ridiculous. Were we going to pay an over-hiked price for a lesser product than Andy Carroll?

"No, so unfortunately as I sit here now, I am weaker than I was yesterday because I had Andy Carroll maybe four or five weeks away (from full fitness). No, I am not comfortable with it, but it is what it is.''

Alan Shearer, meanwhile, said he finds it "staggering'' that Newcastle allowed Carroll to leave for Liverpool without bringing in anyone as a replacement.

He told BBC Five Live: "I am surprised at how quickly it came along and it's an astonishing amount for a young guy with huge potential. It's all right selling your best player, but not getting anyone in to replace him is staggering.

"People are saying that Liverpool have sold Torres, but they have got two guys in for over £50 million to replace him. I just hope Newcastle invest some of the £35 million in new players at the end of the season. I am disappointed as he is Newcastle's best player and their best hope of being successful this season and getting a Europe League place.

"They would have just been happy to avoid relegation at the start of the season but, mainly because of him, they had a chance of a Europa spot.''

• Stephen Ireland is two weeks away from making his Newcastle debut after arriving at the club with an injury.

The deal went through just hours after reports emerged that it had fallen through because he had failed a medical. "
 
Not read back before this page so don't know if this has been posted - but he's not going to be available for a few weeks.

"Liverpool forward Andy Carroll, who signed from Newcastle on Monday, is unlikely to play for several weeks because of an existing thigh injury.

The 22-year-old has been sidelined since the Magpies' 2-0 defeat by Tottenham on 28 December.

"He's got a bit of a knock and is probably a few weeks away," said Reds boss Kenny Dalglish. "

{Apols if it's been done already}
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43933.msg1274673#msg1274673 date=1296580217]
This is how Tomkins works out "Transfer Price Inflation"

http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/02/tpi%C2%A9-the-complete-guide-to-football-inflation/
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i've read a bit about that before, and it seems the basic approach is to use the standard RPI method of a basket of goods from different peiods, ie just working out average prices of all transfers in a certain transfer window against those of subsequent windows. seems pretty dodgy to me, because footballers aren't homogenous commodities like, say, a box of cornflakes, and also because they aren't held exclusively for retail, but primarily as productive assets.

for example, i noticed that he has general transfer prices falling from summer 2000 to summer 2001 by 25% and then back up again by 30% in 2002. why would that happen? were clubs' incomes falling? was there some external economic shock? it just seems unlikely to me. it seems like he hasn't tested the method to make sure it produces credible outcomes. for example, by his 'CTTP', rio ferdinand's move to utd in 2002, for £30m, would've cost £23m a year earlier (all things being equal, remember, so as if the world cup had been in 2001), and £30m in 2000. that's an absurdity.

i'd have thought it would be much more accurate to look at club revenues, and smooth the rates of increase over the periods of rising TV revenue.

sorry, i know this is too dry for most normal people!
 
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Torres wants to win something, no chance with the scousers.
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When did you last win something? Remind me.
 
[quote author=dubgooner link=topic=43933.msg1274765#msg1274765 date=1296586694]
Torres wants to win something, no chance with the scousers.
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Care to list what you've been winning recently?
 
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[quote author=dubgooner link=topic=43933.msg1274765#msg1274765 date=1296586694]
Torres wants to win something, no chance with the scousers.
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Care to list what you've been winning recently?
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Alex Oxo beef cubes?
 
[quote author=dubgooner link=topic=43933.msg1274765#msg1274765 date=1296586694]
Torres wants to win something, no chance with the scousers.
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He didn't even consider you lot then.
 
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[quote author=dubgooner link=topic=43933.msg1274765#msg1274765 date=1296586694]
Torres wants to win something, no chance with the scousers.
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He didn't even consider you lot then.
[/quote] Don't mind him lads.
He is just a wum gooner that I work with.
Mods, feel free to ban him as I doubt if he will add to the discourse on here, which is a pity because at least he is a proper football fan.
 
[quote author=dubgooner link=topic=43933.msg1274765#msg1274765 date=1296586694]
Torres wants to win something, no chance with the scousers.
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Oh how did this fucking monkey get through the net. Yeh he could always go to Arsenal and win FUCK ALL. You won fuck all since 2005 you fucking dope. Arsenal - all tits and lipstick. Now you've had your say. Jog the fuck on dope.
 
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[quote author=dubgooner link=topic=43933.msg1274765#msg1274765 date=1296586694]
Torres wants to win something, no chance with the scousers.
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He didn't even consider you lot then.
[/quote] Don't mind him lads.
He is just a wum gooner that I work with.
Mods, feel free to ban him as I doubt if he will add to the discourse on here, which is a pity because at least he is a proper football fan.
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He's getting banned count. He's a twat. Tell him that from me.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43933.msg1274791#msg1274791 date=1296588931]
to be fair I think arsenal will win the carling cup this year.


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Woopee doo
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43933.msg1274791#msg1274791 date=1296588931]
to be fair I think arsenal will win the carling cup this year.


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still a trophy. I'm desparate for silverware, ANY silverware. it's been 5 years.

Woopee doo
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[quote author=dubgooner link=topic=43933.msg1274765#msg1274765 date=1296586694]
Torres wants to win something, no chance with the scousers.
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He didn't even consider you lot then.
[/quote] Don't mind him lads.
He is just a wum gooner that I work with.
Mods, feel free to ban him as I doubt if he will add to the discourse on here, which is a pity because at least he is a proper football fan.
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He's getting banned count. He's a twat. Tell him that from me.
[/quote]Suits me fine Sunny.
And you're not wrong
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=43933.msg1274992#msg1274992 date=1296598193]
Neil - we won the senior lancashire cup this summer.
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I got smashed after that. Never celebrated a trophy more
 
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[quote author=StevieM link=topic=43933.msg1274554#msg1274554 date=1296573997]
I think Carroll will fail. I've said it. I have a bad feeling about this.

He's got the raw talent but I don't think he has the mentality to be a top class player.

At this moment I feel like Han Solo coming out of hyperspace to find Alderan destroyed and something not right about that small moon in the distance.
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I think he'll do well. If anyone can get the best out of him Kenny will
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carrol strikes me as the type of player that will help the team even when he isn't scoring, let's be honest here (and this isn't sourgrapes) but Torres was a bit of a waste of space when he wasn't scoring and sulking.
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But Torres was only sulking cause he wasn't getting the service Neil. You told us. 🙂
 
I am pleased with our new number 9. I think it will suit us and it will add to our attacking strenght...

On the personal side I have allways identified more with the carrolls in the world than the fernandos... a bit rebell.. but noone to blame but myself.

welcome andy. spent the night in newcastle and they miss you!!
 
I mean it's 24 hrs since the dust has settled on this and it's still just pure madness ...£35m on a lad who's been a starter for just half a season of prem football, I mean it's the 8th most expensive transfer ever !!

Don't get me wrong , the lad might go on to become a monster but has so much ever been paid for raw potential ? It's a massive gamble , somebody at the club (kenny ?) must really , really rate this lad .I understand if there was a little bit of panic to get a player in , especially for the Europa Cup but these guys are too smart (i hope) to spend that big without believing Carroll can go right to the top .

Anyway time will tell . I'm sure Kenny will sit him down and point out how being out of his home town can allow him to leave all that messing behind and step up a different level .

And as other have mentioned , surely if you're allowing him to spend that big then Dalglish has to be given a chance at the job fulltime. Whatever happens on the pitch , Dalglish has been pure class in everything he's done off it this last month. Despite losing the so called best striker in the league , we've felt like Liverpool of old these last few days .
 
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[quote author=StevieM link=topic=43933.msg1274554#msg1274554 date=1296573997]
I think Carroll will fail. I've said it. I have a bad feeling about this.

He's got the raw talent but I don't think he has the mentality to be a top class player.

At this moment I feel like Han Solo coming out of hyperspace to find Alderan destroyed and something not right about that small moon in the distance.
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I think he'll do well. If anyone can get the best out of him Kenny will
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carrol strikes me as the type of player that will help the team even when he isn't scoring, let's be honest here (and this isn't sourgrapes) but Torres was a bit of a waste of space when he wasn't scoring and sulking.
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But Torres was only sulking cause he wasn't getting the service Neil. You told us. 🙂
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true. torres was definately feeding on scraps but his work rate was unacceptable and he was also playing for himself, choosing to take on too many players when a simple pass would suffice.
 
[quote author=RedZeppelin link=topic=43933.msg1275156#msg1275156 date=1296603009]
I mean it's 24 hrs since the dust has settled on this and it's still just pure madness ...£35m on a lad who's been a starter for just half a season of prem football, I mean it's the 8th most expensive transfer ever !!

Don't get me wrong , the lad might go on to become a monster but has so much ever been paid for raw potential ? It's a massive gamble , somebody at the club (kenny ?) must really , really rate this lad .I understand if there was a little bit of panic to get a player in , especially for the Europa Cup but these guys are too smart (i hope) to spend that big without believing Carroll can go right to the top .

Anyway time will tell . I'm sure Kenny will sit him down and point out how being out of his home town can allow him to leave all that messing behind and step up a different level .

And as other have mentioned , surely if you're allowing him to spend that big then Dalglish has to be given a chance at the job fulltime. Whatever happens on the pitch , Dalglish has been pure class in everything he's done off it this last month. Despite losing the so called best striker in the league , we've felt like Liverpool of old these last few days .
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Good post Zep. Carroll is seriously pricey, but as has been said elsewhere, he's a one off at the minute. He's got the full gamut of size, pace, power, and will always give CBs a tough game. I'm looking forward to having someone who repeatedly holds the ball up, something Torres has been terrifically poor at in the past while. We're paying for potential, and I hope it works out well. For me, the closest analogy was Utd paying 30m odd for Rio Ferdinand, It was completely WTF, although the Merkmeister was I suppose more proven than Carroll. A lot of people rate him very highly indeed, so let's pray.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43933.msg1274560#msg1274560 date=1296574068]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=43933.msg1274554#msg1274554 date=1296573997]
I think Carroll will fail. I've said it. I have a bad feeling about this.

He's got the raw talent but I don't think he has the mentality to be a top class player.

At this moment I feel like Han Solo coming out of hyperspace to find Alderan destroyed and something not right about that small moon in the distance.
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I think he'll do well. If anyone can get the best out of him Kenny will
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carrol strikes me as the type of player that will help the team even when he isn't scoring, let's be honest here (and this isn't sourgrapes) but Torres was a bit of a waste of space when he wasn't scoring and sulking.
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But Torres was only sulking cause he wasn't getting the service Neil. You told us. 🙂
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true. Torres was definately feeding on scraps but his work rate was unacceptable and he was also playing for himself, choosing to take on too many players when a simple pass would suffice.
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Yes, the shitbag gave the ball away several times in the last few minutes when we were hanging on for the win vs Fulham. Trying to take it past players instead of finding a team mate in space to keep possession and eat up the clock.
 
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