Adam Lallana
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Ah now come on. Hendo, Carvalho, Walcott are stretching it, carrick maybe, York and Anton, point taken.
With Pochettino gone, we should really be giving Southampton(and Lallana) a final offer. If Spurs want to overpay for him, let them do it. They have significantly less funds available than us after all, exacerbated by the wages they've had to pay for all of their new signings. We win either way.
I have seen enough of Lallana to know that he's good but not enough to judge whether he's 25M good.
If you guys have and think he is that's cool. It's an informed opinion and I have nothing against that.
I like the idea of Lallana, in the main because of his versatility, but the idea of spending 25M on him worries the shit outta me.
Sorry, what? Who thought paying 16M for Henderson at the time represented 'great value'? Fucking no one.
And no one could believe Arsenal paid 12M for Walcott after he'd played about 57 minutes of football for Southampton. Ditto Carvalho; 24M for him, where did that come from?
So I get that argument, no problem; and at least you've watched him play.
But I do rile at this comment that he's "nothing more than a tidy player" mirrored with the frankly inaccurate comments than some people are happy for us to pay whatever, as if money's no object.
Sure it's a lot of money, no argument. I happy to think he'll be so good for us that in 6 months time no one will give a shit about what we paid for him. He's so much more Henderson than he is a Downing.
Hendo isn't great value right now at 16M. That's about what he's worth to everybody else.
We obviously value him much more highly, as he's a core player and is very important to our system.
I'm struggling to make sense of that.
If you are a prospective club, how much would you be looking to spend on Jordan Henderson?
I can honestly say I have seen more then 30 seconds and even a minute of him, so there!
So your holding up lallana scoring 4 more goals in 10 more games as proof but having less assists, wow and also disregarding the sterling, Sturridgeand Suarez bits. Coutinho and sterling are only 19/20 as well. Yes, he is a tidy player, there is nothing wrong with that. Tidy players have there place just not above 20 million, especially when we have limited budget and as Rodgers himself said we need to improve on what we already have, which I don't believe he does.
You go and have a little wank over Joe Allen who is yet to prove anything apart from being a crab.
Oh, if we do sign him and he turns out to be boss I'll admit I am wrong, unlike you.
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i've not seen much of him so find it hard to comment. if the club want him for 20-25m that's fine BUT he has to deliver . Unless he is struck down by a serious injury there are no excuses . At that price he has to perform and pretty much from the start . He doesn't have age on his side to not deliver for two season like henderson.
Ryan, you know what mate, you completely undo all of the good you post by resorting to this stuff. The likes of Modo with his idiotic Downing comparisons probably deserve it. People showing caution and saying that we shouldn't allow ourselves to be manipulated and extorted are right, people (like myself) have reiterated and reiterated that we think he's a hugely talented player who will benefit us. There's few players I wouldn't take the same stance with over us paying what we think is fair, I don't think that's really deserving of "you must have only watched him for 5 minutes", type comments. The majority of the cautious side of the fence know how good he is and have watched him enough, thanks.
Whirly do you think if Henderson was available for £25m Chelsea, United, Spurs etc wouldn't snap our hands off for him?
I didn't mention City or Arse because they're well sorted for CM'ers already.
I think Arsenal badly need a midfielder like Henderson, besides from maybe Ramsey, they badly need some grafters.
I've wondered that myself before now, but it never seems to get mentioned. The name does sound Spanish though.
Couldn't agree more but they need to get rid of a few first, they have too many CM'ers but most of them are lightweights.
JJ is right. I'm sure he comes from Spanish grandparents.
Absolutely not.
That's more expensive than Isco last summer for example.
Would it make sense for us to sell at 25M is another question entirely. But Hendo isn't worth anywhere near that figure to any other club.
So we're about to sign a sexy Spanish midfielder. Yay!
I think you're underestimating him Whirly, I reckon we're gonna be getting some serious offers for him next summer after he improves even further next season. I'd say his current value (to other teams) would be £25m but by next summer we'll be getting offers of £35m+.
We won't get a single offer for him, 'coz we'll be champions and the rest of them will know not to bother. 😎
I'm not sure on this as well....
I think we need to integrate Suso and Ibe in the squad. We have surged forward on the emergence of Sterling/Flanagan and a couple of shrewd signings in Sturridge and Coutinho. I don't think its a good idea to ditch that path and going back to signing proven players.
Signing proven players has patently not worked for us, except for Suarez. But even the signing of Suarez was more in the shrewd category than the proven category.
We should be picking up the likes of Remy, Can etc for squad depth, integrating Suso and Ibe. Suso has had as good a season as Lallana.
If we move out Agger then we need to think about bringing in equivalent experience in the squad.
I think we need to integrate Suso and Ibe in the squad. We have surged forward on the emergence of Sterling/Flanagan and a couple of shrewd signings in Sturridge and Coutinho. I don't think its a good idea to ditch that path and going back to signing proven players.
Signing proven players has patently not worked for us, except for Suarez. But even the signing of Suarez was more in the shrewd category than the proven category.
We should be picking up the likes of Remy, Can etc for squad depth, integrating Suso and Ibe. Suso has had as good a season as Lallana.
If we move out Agger then we need to think about bringing in equivalent experience in the squad.
No he hasn't, not even close. Almeria actually benched him at one time whereas Lallana was nominated for PotY !
I'd still like to see if he could be integrated into the squad but not sure after/if we get Lallana we'll need him.
I dont know if I am repeating this but if Lallana costs 25m just after fucking one good season in EPL. Why dont pay 25m for someone (or may be +5m more), who is also young like 24-26, who suits to our system, is consistently putting numbers for last 2-3 seasons at a top club either in EPL or top 4 leagues in Europe. I think people are talking on these lines. So it is about minimizing the risk if you are investing so much.
You're the very person that said Ilori was doing great at Grenada - where he played six games - and now getting benched once means Suso wasnt good?
The problem is people are saying anything to justify his transfer whatever the cost, like he's the best attacking midfielder in the world. This type of phenomenon only occurs when we're about to sign an English or England based player. Forget Downing, people were up in arms and calling me a cunt because I said that Adam Johnson was overrated and shit.
For some reason people here just casually neglect the risks when signing an English player and its fucking annoying.
Some here try and bully people into thinking they're right the same people who thought Bentley was the fucking bees knees.
Truth is Lallana is a risky buy whether you like or not and at £25 million he's not a risk I'm willing to take. The minute he signs his value will drop by £10 million because of his age. If he for some reason excels and becomes a top class player, we might see an increase but what if he fails?
Lallana has two seasons in the PL
No European experience
Barely any international experience.
26 years old.
£25 million no chance.
For some reason people here just casually neglect the risks when signing an English player and its fucking annoying.
Some here try and bully people into thinking they're right the same people who thought Bentley was the fucking bees knees.
Truth is Lallana is a risky buy whether you like or not and at £25 million he's not a risk I'm willing to take. The minute he signs his value will drop by £10 million because of his age. If he for some reason excels and becomes a top class player, we might see an increase but what if he fails?
Lallana has two seasons in the PL
No European experience
Barely any international experience.
26 years old.
£25 million no chance.
He's Welsh. He must be, what with the double L in there. His dad wanted to call him Llywelyn instead of Adam but his mum was having none of it.
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I want to win games and trophies. He will help us do that.
Balancing the books isnt my forte.
We need to get past the squaddie for 10 to 15m stage onto the big time players who will make a big difference stage.
One or two top quality signings now and we can repeat or better last season. If we sign 3 or 4 aspas I will cry.
And you talk about the risk as though buying foreign isnt a risk?
Soldado
Holtby
Kagawa
Lamela
Gervinho
Shevchenko
The list goes on and on and on and is FAR broader than the list of failed 20m+ English players.
There is no fucking certainty. Any signing has risk. Stop thinking about the value in € and think about it in 3pts.
I dont really want to make a profit on him.
I want to win games and trophies. He will help us do that.
Balancing the books isnt my forte.
We need to get past the squaddie for 10 to 15m stage onto the big time players who will make a big difference stage.
One or two top quality signings now and we can repeat or better last season. If we sign 3 or 4 aspas I will cry.
And you talk about the risk as though buying foreign isnt a risk?
Soldado
Holtby
Kagawa
Lamela
Gervinho
Shevchenko
The list goes on and on and on and is FAR broader than the list of failed 20m+ English players.
There is no fucking certainty. Any signing has risk. Stop thinking about the value in € and think about it in 3pts.
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