Well who didn't know? Everyone knew he was shit before we even signed him.
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Well who didn't know? Everyone knew he was shit before we even signed him.
Deemed better by who by the way.
By them apparently cause they're not interested in him.
Well that's flawed from the off. Arsenal have about 16 attacking midfielders and if Wenger has any sense they'll be spending their money on strikers and defenders. Chelsea have a similar amount of attacking midfielders, plus Lallana hardly fits the Mourinho type of fast direct attackers. Man U inquired about him under Moyes but from the sounds of it, Lallana he say "no thanks".
So who does that leave, City? I wouldn't be surprised if City are in for him, but they're probably still figuring out how to deal with the whole FFP sanction thing.
And then they would come in and offer double the wages we're offering and wouldnt get him as has been the case with any player they want.
Chelsea weren't that interested in Sturridge either....
This is all a bit ridiculous.
It's a case of whether he's worth the money for what he'd bring to the team, it doesn't matter who wants him or not, we obviously do. Is he worth that amount, or could we get someone else that would do as good a job, or better for that money or less.
It's a case of whether he's worth the money for what he'd bring to the team, it doesn't matter who wants him or not, we obviously do. Is he worth that amount, or could we get someone else that would do as good a job, or better for that money or less.
Maybe based on where they both finished last season, Kagawa and Erikson wernt that good
I wouldn't follow their lead, other than Citeh, all the rest are behind us.
What are you thinking?
Well of course they can ask for it, but it's ridiculous that they can claim they're entitled to the full value of the sale when they sold away part of the right at the beginning of the contract. Just something that winds me up.
So, just to clarify:
1 - Lallana scored more goals than Sterling or Coutinho in the League last season. For a shitter team, that scored infinitely less goals. Not bad or an "ok player" who won't "win us matches in the way Sterling or Coutinho" do.
2 - He scored more goals than Cazorla, Podolski, Ozil, Arteta, Rosicky, Navas, Silva, Milner, De Bruyne, Lampard, etc etc. But those teams "have better players" who, going by your logic, would win them less matches than Lallana.
3 - But most importantly, this fucking logic that only players who score goals win matches is quite close to being the shittest in football. Vincent Kompany scores fuck all, as does Fernandinho, Silva gets bugger all, yet you'd do well to find three more influential players in the game, who contribute to City winning more games than anyone.
But anyway, you were pwnd long before that third point.
I think its fair that people dont want to see us get stung, I also think most people do think he would improve us - he would. Comprisons with Downing and questioning his quality because other teams seemingly arent interested, is a flawed logic that ignores teams prioroties, suitability, etc. Most of the top sides are carrying junk in their midfields, you're not telling me he wouldn't improve or at least provide more ammunition to Spurs, United, Chelsea, and Arsenal, because he would. Whether they want to match the price or feel they need a player of his type of breed, is their call. Its not a black and white case of they don't want him, ergo he's not good enough. There's plenty of other successes who haven't courted the interest of more than one top side, or promoted bidding wars. It's irrelevant. Who else wanted Carrick?
So to put you back in your box
Lallana scored 9 goals and had 6 assists in 37 starts
Continho scored 5 goals and 7 assists in 31 starts
Sterling scored 9 goals and 5 assists in 25 starts
All the above is PL so STFU and get back in you box. Those are not a 25 million players stats, nor is it an Improvement in what we have as proved he plays more minutes but does less than sterling and barely more than Coutinho. If you think he is worth then I'll put him I the same waste of money box as your man crush Allen.
Oh, remind me again where I mentioned scoring goals, you daft egomaniac. A man of your alleged knowledge should know there is more to football than just scoring goals.
I stand by the fact that neither Allen or Lallana are match winning type payers, those who can do something special to alter a game the way that those I mentioned have. Lallana is a tidy player, nothing more and nowhere near a 20 million player let alone a 25 million one.
Dahuge -You're talking like Lallana is replacing one of Sterling or Coutinho, he's adding to what we get from them, which we'd need in four competitions. As for it "not being the stats of a £25m player", who is the benchmark there, Alonso? Silva? Stats are meaningless other than assessing what he can give us in terms of gameplay AND going with the notion that he has the ability to weigh in and possibly surpass last years contribution in a greater attacking side.
Even if means we can't buy a full back or any other player we need?
I'm not saying it will mean that, we could well have unlimited funds, but I doubt it. The less we pay for players we buy(assuming they're of the right quality), the better chance we have of buying other players we need.
So, you've defeated your own argument now by pulling up stats to show how neither of our players "win more matches". Congrats, you're on quite the roll. Usually I have to do that, but if you're happy to beat your own arguments, be my guest.
And I'd love to hear what your definition of what "match winning type players are" given that your original point insinuated that goals were the value by which we judge 'matchwinners', but now that's not as critical. Apparently.
What actually is your fucking point?
Two of our greatest ever wide midfielders, Ronnie Whelan and Ian Callaghan, were hardly edge-of-seat "match winning" types but were pivotal in our glory years because they performed to a very high level consistently for many years and were both worth £20m-£25m* to LFC regardless of the fact neither of them cost us very much at all (£35,000 in total).
IMO if we sign Lallana he will be our most consistent performer next season and will prove his worth.
*Adjusted for inflation and ridiculous transfer fees nowadays.
Works for Spurs
this thread is starting to make me think that 25m on lallana might actually be worth it....
That's what they said about Downing too...this thread is very similar to that Downing thread...
It's similar to Carroll too. People bringing up anything they can to justify the fee, when there's no way they would have thought it was justifiable a few months ago.
I'm not saying Lallana will be as disastrous as the other two, but overpaying is never a good idea. Downing and Carroll might actually have been decent buys if we paid the right fee for them, somewhere about 8-10m each. Lallana is worth about 15m, and that's the most we should pay. If they want more than that, we should look elsewhere. It's not as if there aren't plenty of other players that are just as good as him, and probably younger too.
People saying, pay whatever are crazy. What if they ask for 40m, or 60m? Players have a worth, and we should try to stick to that worth.
Depends on your definition of "works"
Someone said something about statistically he's not worth it, because as far as stats go, he's no better than Sterling and Coutinho. It was then (rightfully) pointed out that there's more to a players worth to a side than just goals and assists. FWIW there wasn't just examples from the 70's & 80's brought up. Silva and Alonso were offered up as examples, without being acknowledged or even challenged.
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