Just for arguments sake, Aspas could be considered a 1m pound player who we overpaid 7 times his value for, due to one year of good performance.
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Just for arguments sake, Aspas could be considered a 1m pound player who we overpaid 7 times his value for, due to one year of good performance.
If you take a standard deviation around those prices then Carroll sticks out like a sore thumb. One that's been repeatedly hit with a hammer...
Yeah, I'm not sure comparing Lallana & Aspas is particularly fair.
Comparing Lallana & Allen is probably more realistic.
The difference is, we paid for Allen's potential - bit like Henderson - but the expectation was that they would be instant successes - which was unlikely given their age & status.
Coutinho & Sturridge weren't regulars at their previous clubs, deemed surplus & we got a good deal on.
The problem we have this summer is - we can't afford to buy too many players as an investment for a few years in the future - we need to buy a few players that can got right in and hold down a place while achieving.
Therefore - if it is a young player or a top quality proven player - then we are unlikely to get them for under £25m unless their contract is running out, we can find a low release clause to exploit, they're from a shitty league or their club is desperate to sell.
There is little for us to exploit in the Lallana deal, short of his apparent desire to move to a bigger challenge.
Comparing Lallana & Allen is probably more realistic.
The difference is, we paid for Allen's potential - bit like Henderson - but the expectation was that they would be instant successes - which was unlikely given their age & status.
Coutinho & Sturridge weren't regulars at their previous clubs, deemed surplus & we got a good deal on.
The problem we have this summer is - we can't afford to buy too many players as an investment for a few years in the future - we need to buy a few players that can got right in and hold down a place while achieving.
Therefore - if it is a young player or a top quality proven player - then we are unlikely to get them for under £25m unless their contract is running out, we can find a low release clause to exploit, they're from a shitty league or their club is desperate to sell.
There is little for us to exploit in the Lallana deal, short of his apparent desire to move to a bigger challenge.
Do I not remember you saying how you and Spion were observing that Coutinho would be truly world class if he could add more goals to his game?
Do you therefore have zero confidence in that ever happening? Or is it that you think Allen will be even better than a truly world class midfielder?
Or have you just changed your mind since then?
He has started 15 times this year.
Coutinho has started 28 times.
You can argue Allen will be more important, but to say he is currently more important is bollocks. He wouldn't have even started 15 games if Studge hadn't got injured for the last few games, and Henderson got suspended.
Well I don't think Coutinho is going to add 20 goals a season to this game, but then I never did. He's very good, but I don't think he's ever going to be world class - not that there's anything wrong with that.
I was just making an observation that Allen's underrated, especially when it comes to rating BR's signings. He was superb at times last season, and is going to be extremely valuable to us.
They because up until now both of those have given alot more to the team than others.
I agree over time I think Allen will prove to be superb (I already think he is, he just hasn't shown it consistently yet for Liverpool).
But right now in the current market you would have to admit that Coutinho and Studge fall in the 'success' bracket of signings while Allen falls in the 'jury still out' one, at least for most fans.
And that's coming from from someone who is as big an Allen fan as you.
Rainman out.
Is this post just a random mix of words???
I don't know, do you speak English?
I think most knowledgeable football fans were stunned by most of those transfer fees at the time and KNEW that none of those players were worth remotely near those amounts (although Carrick unfortunately proved most of us wrong). Lallana IS worth £20m and if we have to go up to £25m it's worth the risk.
We can loan them Suso
This stance really fucks me off, if you negotiated a deal where by you give away 25% of your next sale, you can't throw a hissy fit when that sale comes around because you dicked yourself off all those years ago, it is in no way our problem, get over it.
Well, given that he's their player they kinda can and it is.
World Cup 2014: Adam Lallana not affected by speculation
Southampton midfielder Adam Lallana has said he will not be distracted by speculation over his future while on England duty.
The 26-year-old has been subject to a bid from Liverpool as he prepares for the World Cup, which starts on 12 June.
“Four years ago, I was playing in League One and I was watching the World Cup with my mates”
Adam Lallana"Whether my future gets sorted before or after the World Cup makes no difference to me," he said.
"I am just fully focused on doing well for England and performing as well as I can."
Lallana, who joined Southampton in 2000, scored 10 goals in 42 outings this season as he helped his club to an eighth in the Premier League in their second top-flight season following two back-to-back promotions.
"Four years ago, I was playing in League One and I was watching the World Cup with my mates," he said.
"If someone had said to me then that I would be participating in the next one, obviously I would have not believed them one bit.
"That just proves what can happen when you work hard and get your head down. I'm delighted and I still can't quite believe it."
Lallana will be hoping to push his claims for a starting place when England face Peru at Wembley on Friday before flying out to Miami, where they will play their final World Cup warm-up matches against Ecuador on 4 June and Honduras three days later.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27581265
He's defo coming. It's all sorted and he'll be here after the world cup. Pochettino is leaving cos they're selling Lallana and Shaw
The thing we keep hearing about if Lallana has a good WC that it will add to his value, well going by all the reports they value him at 25 so if he does do really well in Brazil they will want 30/31? mental.
I suspect they want a bidding war so its in Saints interest not to get anything done early, get him in that WC shop window and let the bidding commence, would be suprised if City are not keeping an eye on the situation, they are in desperate need of some English players and have money to burn.
I suspect they want a bidding war so its in Saints interest not to get anything done early, get him in that WC shop window and let the bidding commence, would be suprised if City are not keeping an eye on the situation, they are in desperate need of some English players and have money to burn.
Summer O: TBH it may be the other way round. I reckon Pochettino's been headed for the exit there since Cortese left. It was only a matter of time.
This is why we need him signed, if we are signing him, before the world cup.
If he has a great world cup, then Southampton are going to look like a right bunch of cunts if they give him away on the cheap, and their fans will lynch them.
If he does fuck all though, and we pay 25mill, questions will be asked our side.
I don't see how those clubs not going for him means we're getting downing'ed again. None of them went for suarez, studge or coutinho either. Can't compare downing to lallana. EVERYONE and his dog knew that downing was shit (apart from kenny obviously) before he even came to liverpool. Lallana does look a very good and talented footballer. I just don't want us paying over the odds for him that's all.
yeah that's true, but it sounds like the reason he's giving
Yeah it would be nice to get it done and dusted before, doesn't look like that will happen though.
Its so typical though isn't it, every transfer for us is long and drawn out nowadays.
Although I agree with the general point that it doesn't matter who else is in for a player, the difference is that Suarez and Coutinho came from other leagues, and Sturridge was hardly getting a game before he came to us.
Lallana was playing every week for Southampton, and plays for England, no team could claim ignorance to him, think he wouldn't suit the league, think he's an injury risk or anything like that. It is surprising that no one is showing any interest in him.
Suarez was wanted Spurs. Coutinho by Southampton. Studge was a reject from a top team. Lallana is an English player who now has two Pl seasons under his belt and made the team of the year and the national team.
Shaw is wanted by Man U and Chelsea. Why isn't Lallana that sought after?
I think we see something in him that no one else does and we think we're slick by paying over the odds for him.
Exactly. Lallana is in the same bracket as Allan. £15 million imo and that's including the English premium.
We need to fucking know our limit and be ready back out of a deal if it exceeds that limit.
Let him fucking stay at Southampton.
Offer Inter half that for that young midfielder and they'd bite our hand off.
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