Adam Lallana
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Every player is a risk, paying more should negate that to some degree, but it doesn't always. Overpaying definitely doesn't negate the risk.
Nobody on here would have justified paying 25m for a 25 year old who'd do nothing of note this time last year, and nobody would have guessed he'd be worth that a year later. It's a crazy amount of money for him.
There are way better options out there, less risky, and better value for money.
I don't think anyone is saying he wouldn't do well for us, he most likely would, but there has to be a limit to what you pay for players.
Would people justify paying 40m for him, or what is the limit? Do we just pay what Southampton ask?
All people are saying is that there should be a max that we should pay for him, I put it somewhere between 15 and 20m, and I actually think that is pushing the boat out, that is already overpaying, but I'd be happy to do it to get him. 25 or anything above is getting into Downing and Carroll territory for me.
Nobody on here would have justified paying 25m for a 25 year old who'd do nothing of note this time last year, and nobody would have guessed he'd be worth that a year later. It's a crazy amount of money for him.
There are way better options out there, less risky, and better value for money.
I don't think anyone is saying he wouldn't do well for us, he most likely would, but there has to be a limit to what you pay for players.
Would people justify paying 40m for him, or what is the limit? Do we just pay what Southampton ask?
All people are saying is that there should be a max that we should pay for him, I put it somewhere between 15 and 20m, and I actually think that is pushing the boat out, that is already overpaying, but I'd be happy to do it to get him. 25 or anything above is getting into Downing and Carroll territory for me.
herr Onc, once again it is about minimizing the risk. I dont know how you add Kagawa to that list, also Holtby...even Soldado (who was brought for wrong reasons, wrong system of the Spurs system and not properly used).
it is the same, if someone with proper senses is given 200m to spend and Suarez and Messi both are available for the same price, I guess most would buy Messi
I just typed the names. It was dead easy.
Like I said. I dont care about the money.
I want good players.
I think there is a bigger chance he'll put pressure on Soton now that Pocettinho has gone.
James Pearce said we dont want to pay more than 25 mill.
A deal will be done imho but the problem is the 25 % to Bournmouth.
And if overpaying for one good player, means we can't buy any others?
Would you prefer one good player, or two?
You mightn't care about money, but unfortunately the club has to.
is it just a trend that anytime a decent name is coined up in the media, we get desperate to see him in red shirt, thinking emotionally more and less rationally!!!!!!!!!
WTF. What has Ilori got to do with my comment that Suso did not have as good a season as Lallana ? I have always said Suso was doing very well at Almeria. Slight difference to your interpretation don't you think ?
I said Ilori was doing great because he was winning the Man of the Match performance against Real Madrid, nothing to do with how many matches he had played (which was 9 not 6 BTW).
Id rather have one great player than 2 bang average ones.
We just made 100m from TV and 40m from champions league. We really dont need to be penny pinching this summer.
I think 3 x 20 to 30m players should be WELL within our budget.
Particularly considering Reina, Aspas, Agger, Assaidi, Borini, Coates and a few others will go and bring in another 20 to 30 million.
Money (this time) isnt the issue, its buying class.
I dont have a problem with people not wanting Lallana obviously. Thats their perogative. I think he would be fantastic for us, but I dont have an issue if we persue different targets, as long as they are of the top teir variety and not Aspas, Borini, Alberto, Assaidi, Ilori, Cissokho, Moses type of squad fillers.
I want to add quality and see those certain first teamers from this season pushed onto the bench not sold and more squaddies brought in.
Not at all.
I judge on merit as I think most do. There are plenty of players i dont want. The ones I do im happy for us to pay premium for.
Well there are two comments here that I personally take issue with.
I know some people think it's OK to say "There are way better options out there, less risky, and better value for money". But that is hyperbole unless you can name them (and even then there are no certainties). It's an easy out. There may be .. by next season we'll know ... but that doesn't mean they are easily identifiable by anyone's scouting system this season or that they really are a better option.
The second issue is that people here keep saying he is worth this or that or we shouldn't pay over this amount ... however how does anyone on here know how much a player is actually worth today ? We're all just guessing. Inflation (massive increase in EPL, CL prize money etc.) and WC year may mean that last season's 15-20m is this season's 20-25m and it's never going to revert to previous levels.
So what do you "guess" he's worth? What's the maximum you'd pay for him?
20m? 25m? 30m? 50m? 120m?
Now you're just being silly. I guess he's worth what LFC are willing to pay for him, they should have a much better idea than I do.
LFC have got it wrong often enough in the past.
We're allowed have opinions on what we think players are worth.
If someone suggested he was worth 25m six months ago, they'd have been called silly too.
Id say hes worth about 15 to 20m but if he is the player we want we should pay what we have to to get him.
I think back to United first becoming a force and they just went out and paid
30m for Rooney, Ferdinand, Veron, Carrick, Berbatov etc likewise Chelsea with Crespo, Torres, Shevchenko, Essien etc
I know a lot of them are hit and miss but thats what big clubs do isnt it? Well clubs who hope to be successful anyway.
I dunno, I just think we shouldnt let price dictate our thinking.
It has to dictate it unfortunately. If we end up paying a fortune for him, then it affects other players we buy. If we had let price dicate our thinking on signing Carroll, we'd have been way better off in the long run. It's that kind of thinking that has set us back so many times in the past.
What do all the players that you mention that were successes have in common(except Rooney)? That they had more than one good season playing at the top level. In fact they all did(except Rooney who was too young).
What is the main reason not to blow our budget on Lallana? That he's only had one good season at the top level in his career and he's 26. If he showed this form at 21 I'd have no issue, but this guy has been playing in the championship and league one for most of his career. We're paying some weird premium because he's English and in the World Cup squad, and is "premiership proven".
If our scouts and management can't find one player in the world that's better value for money than Lallana then we're in trouble.
I get your point and i agree with you. Personally i wouldn't want to pay over £20m for lallana. But your arguements works both ways. I get what you're saying about carroll and you could use downing as well, but If we had paid extra we would have had ronaldo.
You cant base you dealings on the past....each target on its own merits. It depends on you priority list and how important each player on your 'A' list is.
Whilst I agree to a degree, I disagree though.
And they've also got it right. When we are quoting players from the past we really need to update their values to a 2014 equivalent.
Of course we all have opinions .. doesn't mean they are right, no matter how vehement some of the posters are becoming on this thread.
Yep, there's always going to be players we miss out on, that's because we don't have the money of other clubs. We'll win some and lose some. Until we get a sugar daddy, we just have to hedge our bets as best we can.
I think about 15m is my limit, if it went to 20m I'd be ok with it, any more and we should be looking elsewhere. We should be looking elsewhere anyway actually, only having one option is not a good idea.
Bid hard and fast many times and take the best option and the end of it.
Can you tell me what Isco has done so far to warrant that 25 million?
By the age of 21 Isco had notched up over 70 apperances for newly flush Malaga, helped them qualify for the CL for the first time in their history, put up some decent stats in the CL in the following season and won the U-21 European championship with Spain. He was regarded as one of the top talents around by that point and Real weren't alone in wanting him.
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