You're talking an incredible amount of shite in this thread. You do know that don't you?
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You're talking an incredible amount of shite in this thread. You do know that don't you?
Nope.
Contrary to popular belief on Liverpool boards, a player isn't suddenly 40% more valuable to everybody else just because he plays for LFC. He might be more valuable to us, but that's an entirely different matter.
We could go back to debating how Lallana and Sterling are less similar players than Balotelli and Sterling if you're bored though.
there's an argument that rodgers is less likely to buy lallana than henderson offering more than isco signing for us.
Not a chance would they pay that, he's a great engine, but he's no goalscoring or creation machine. We love him, but the market would value him tops at 18-20m. I know this because I just consulted my instinct.
No you got me wrong, I don't think they can be heralded as success stories. Walcott is still inconsistent, hendo has one good season, and I don't think Carvalho ever paid back the price tag. That last one others will disagree on.
Shit, now he's in The Caribbean leagues?! He's really gone downhill in six months. Poor kid.
No. But Baba Yaga's Hut is there.
I don't think anyone is saying it because he plays for Liverpool. We bought him for £16m, he's now one of the first names on the teamsheet for a side that just finished 2nd, is becoming an England regular and is highly regarded, not just by us. If he was worth £16m (no he wasn't, but we set the tone) 3 years ago then factoring progress and his current reputation into it, if someone wanted to buy him tomorrow then we'd be looking at that sort of price. Like I said, whether anyone would come in for him is irrelevant, that's his market value set.
It's not because he plays for Liverpool, it's just logical. I know people do overstate our own players worth at times, but that sort of current valuation makes sense and, in fairness, it's not that common for big clubs to buy from one another, it happens, but the old "if he's that good, why aren't Chelsea/City/Arsenal in for him?" argument is daft. By that reckoning, you may aswell say, if Carrick is that good, why aren't the top teams (ie, Liverpool) in for him?
Its still a stretch though, I keep foolishly checking this thread to see if there's been any progression on Lallana transfer talks and all I see is discussion about Henderson and Isco! It just seems this discussion is crying out for its own thread.
Heh, it's gonna be like that all Summer. People are just filling pages because, well, what else can yer do?
Simply put and of course correct, think you are right about the lost in translation because i see absolutely no relevence to Hendersons value and Isco, its flawed logic, its no guideline to anything.
Also 'some people' was just one person and 'Spurs' was mentioned along with all the other top clubs in the country.
It certainly wasnt 'some people think Spurs would pay more for Hendo than Real paid for a player like Isco', if thats not spin i dont know what is.
I suppose some of it comes down to Whirly not rating Henderson, that doesn't suprise tbh because he has shown poor judgement of players before.
Its nothing to do with any of us overrating him, not many would disgaree that he had and excellent season, he was arguably our 2nd most influential player in the team, look how much of a blow it was when he was suspended.
Agreed but how many of our top targets have we missed for a few extra million that have went on to excel. IMO 25M for Lallana is excessive. We should walk away and look at alternatives.
If Lallana really has got his heart set on a move to us then he needs to hand in a transfer request and kick up a fuss, hes been loyal to them and stuck with them through the tough times and helped them get where they are now, he could have fucked off ages ago.
20 odd million is a nice bit of compensation for Saints (and B'mouth), they should really respect him and his wishes and thank him for his loyal service and allow him to move on and better himself, hes earned the right to do that.
Not gonna happen though is it? were involved so its the must milk Liverpool rule.
20 odd million is a nice bit of compensation for Saints (and B'mouth), they should really respect him and his wishes and thank him for his loyal service and allow him to move on and better himself, hes earned the right to do that.
Not gonna happen though is it? were involved so its the must milk Liverpool rule.
The days of big name players going for big money, handing in written transfer requests is long gone. Their leach agents tell them not a fucking chance as it forfeits multiple bonuses they have linked to their contracts, and will give them negative publicity. Agents are mercenaries and so are the players.
This is the thing about the Lallana transfer, we're all bitching about a possible 25mill, the facts are that Lallana the shady fucker will want another million or two signing on fee, and his agent will want the same. Add that to a big bucks contract, and he'll cost a fucking fortune.
That will probably apply to most players of the standard we're now after, though. We can take our ball home and say we're not playing, but we won't make the signings then.
Yeah, what can you do if you really want the player? its either miss out (again) or just pay the extortion.
Lallana needs to do something from his end if he does have his heart set on us, cant blame Saints for being greedy fuckers, its just the way it is, its fucking annoying though.
Lallana needs to do something from his end if he does have his heart set on us, cant blame Saints for being greedy fuckers, its just the way it is, its fucking annoying though.
We would definitely, 100%, adopt that attitude in there position.
Apparently you don't actually read anything I post because of your superiority complex, so you just repeated what you said in the last post.
I've said many times that I think Hendo is an important player to the team, and very obviously rate him. The issue here is that I overate him.
And you're also one of the people who looks for the simplest answer to everything. I basically addressed all of these halfbaked points in my last few posts. But no response there, as you have no actual argument.
As far as poor judgment before rating players, I've literally never discussed any player with you around before other than Lallana. So if you didn't know, I'm also the guy who said we should sign Benatia last summer, and thought Studge and Coutinho were great signings. I could go on, but you would just claim to not know who other foreign players are, and then take pride in your ignorance.
You are the reason I hate world football, the entitled ethnocentric football fan who thinks his own players are better than everybody else's because of bullshit intangibles that don't exist. You clearly don't understand how anything in the transfer market works, so why masquerade as someone who has a valid opinion?
Because if you just want attention, as I strongly suspect, you've certainly got mine.
Walcott is worth twice what they paid for him, easily.
16M wouldn't get you Henderson now.
But you've saved the best for last; "I don't think Carvalho ever paid back the price tag".
Ricardo Carvalho? We're talking about the same player here right.
The Ricardo Carvalho that played for Chelsea?
You're saying he wasn't worth Chelsea's money? One of the best defenders to play in England in the last 10 years? Same guy?
I just need to be clear that that's the complete arsejuice that you're putting out there. Cos it may well be a banning offence it's that fucking dreadful an opinion.
I got that far as that as thats all it took for you to start blowing out of your arse again.
Ah, so you aren't reading anything I write again.
Probably because I'm right, but let's just gloss over that. That's what you do best it seems.
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