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Spurs bought player upon player for positions they didn't need filling more than once. They neglected their weak areas (defence and attack) or were unlucky (Soldado) that those they did buy didn't pan out. That is always a worry but you can't let that possibility hold you back.

15-17 is not enough. We had that this season (21 players playing over 5 games and the top 15 of those players averaged over 30 games each). We need a squad of 25-26 players who will play more than 5 games each and a core of 18-20.

If we go for supposedly 1st team quality in CB, LB, DM, CMx2 (Kono & Lallana), Striker (Remy) then that gives us the depth we need and would hopefully strengthen the 1st team considerably too. As you can see from the names I've added from the Rumours thread that outlay is around £40m which even sales would cover, leaving us a substantial amount (since we wouldn't have actually utilised any of the purported kitty on those three) to cover the other 3 players needed.

Good post.

An unintended benefit of becoming a title challenging side is that we can do what Utd have done for years.

Which is buy in better players to be first teamers & have the current first team players fight for their place. When they are in the CL & think they'll be challenging again next season most players will be prepared to fight to get back in the side or play less games, not a luxury afforded to many teams & helps a helluva lot in building a squad & not just a team.
 
My initial point was the we paid over the odds at the time for Hendo... now he is worth it and possibly a little more.... maybe 20 - 25M

Lets hope in the next 3-4 years he carries on progressing and is worth 30 - 40M

Future Liverpool captain for me!
 
It's starting again: lots of reports this morning that Spurs are trying to jump in and buy him from under our noses.
 
My initial point was the we paid over the odds at the time for Hendo... now he is worth it and possibly a little more.... maybe 20 - 25M

Lets hope in the next 3-4 years he carries on progressing and is worth 30 - 40M

Future Liverpool captain for me!


A season or so ago ,anyone who didn't have their head up their arse could see that one of Henderson's biggest issues was self confidence and belief . He's come on leaps and bounds but he's a long way from being captain material . Maybe he'll keep progressing but i don't see him as ever having all the qualities needed to be a proper captain .
 
It's starting again: lots of reports this morning that Spurs are trying to jump in and buy him from under our noses.
London is touched by a curse, I reckon. Strikers go to Chelsea to wither while CMs go to Spurs to rot. Well, not always, but pretty much nearly always, recently.
 
Spurs bought player upon player for positions they didn't need filling more than once. They neglected their weak areas (defence and attack) or were unlucky (Soldado) that those they did buy didn't pan out. That is always a worry but you can't let that possibility hold you back.

15-17 is not enough. We had that this season (21 players playing over 5 games and the top 15 of those players averaged over 30 games each). We need a squad of 25-26 players who will play more than 5 games each and a core of 18-20.

If we go for supposedly 1st team quality in CB, LB, DM, CMx2 (Kono & Lallana), Striker (Remy) then that gives us the depth we need and would hopefully strengthen the 1st team considerably too. As you can see from the names I've added from the Rumours thread that outlay is around £40m which even sales would cover, leaving us a substantial amount (since we wouldn't have actually utilised any of the purported kitty on those three) to cover the other 3 players needed.

I think what Rurik meant was that we want players who will make a difference to us individually and can easily slot into the side - aswell as your other players like Ibe, Teixera etc. Last season the only real players who would slot into the team were the centre backs (who are all roughly the same level) and the flitting options of Coutinho/Sterling & Allen/Lucas. I get what you're saying about 15-17 not being enough, it isn't if you look at who's staying and what we're buying.

I think he wants 3-4 players, big players who will make a difference and be of a certain quality, replacing the likes of Toure, Alberto, Aspas, who towards the end of the season gave us nothing new. You want to essentially replace those three or more with better options that will be a success. Which is why I can see him culling the squad of one centre back and the likes of Lucas, Aspas, Borini etc. Also, at times last season we had more defenders on the bench than attackers and none of them were offering anything new or better - Kelly, Toure.

Essentially you want a core of:

Mignolet
Flanno
Skrtel
Sakho
Agger/Ilori (not saying this is right, but it's how it's looking)
Enrique
Johnson/new fulback
Henderson
Gerrard
Allen
Lallana
Coutinho
Sterling
Suarez
Sturridge

New striker
Winger
Deep midfielder
Keeper

That's 19, then you have your younger players to boost the squad - Ibe, Teixeira, Smith, McLaughlin etc, but essentially we want (at least) an extra first team option in each third of the pitch.

Personally I think we'll go all out on Lallana, a left back, a winger and a striker. Then we'll add for less value a deep midfielder, keeper and maybe another defender/fullback.
 
A season or so ago ,anyone who didn't have their head up their arse could see that one of Henderson's biggest issues was self confidence and belief . He's come on leaps and bounds but he's a long way from being captain material . Maybe he'll keep progressing but i don't see him as ever having all the qualities needed to be a proper captain .

He captained England U-21s for a long time. I think the lad could very well be a future skipper for us if he keeps on the way he's now going.
 
A season or so ago ,anyone who didn't have their head up their arse could see that one of Henderson's biggest issues was self confidence and belief . He's come on leaps and bounds but he's a long way from being captain material . Maybe he'll keep progressing but i don't see him as ever having all the qualities needed to be a proper captain .

Ok - I agree with the first part (his confidence), though a lot of that was driven by Kenny playing him at right midfield, where he struggled.

As for captain material - what don't you like? He's captained the England U21s, and seems to becoming more of a 'vocal' member of the team on the pitch.
 
A season or so ago ,anyone who didn't have their head up their arse could see that one of Henderson's biggest issues was self confidence and belief . He's come on leaps and bounds but he's a long way from being captain material . Maybe he'll keep progressing but i don't see him as ever having all the qualities needed to be a proper captain .

The qualities are there - if you watch our games you will so often see him directing the likes of Flanno, Coutinho and Sterling. He is becoming a real leader on the pitch and I think we really missed that in our final few games of the season.
 
The qualities are there - if you watch our games you will so often see him directing the likes of Flanno, Coutinho and Sterling. He is becoming a real leader on the pitch and I think we really missed that in our final few games of the season.
Yep I agree - I still feel a bit sick when I think of that challenge he made. 🙁
 
Henderson is the most influential person on the pitch for us by a long way.
Everyone you speak to who goes to see us at Anfield who hasn't done for a while comments on it cos you can actually hear him bellowing at players & see him constantly running to players to give them instructions or point out to them where they should be when he's doing something to make the best runs. He even tells the full backs when they've left too big a gap to the centre backs at certain times & the centre backs they're dropping too far back.

The last time I remember seeing that kind of organisation on the pitch for us was either Gary Mac or Sami.

He's guaranteed to be Captain after Gerrard & if England choose Rooney over him they're insane.
 
If he even considers joining that band of fuckwits he can go piss up a rope.
I mean apart from the pull of London why bother?
 
Does the London factor really have much of a pull? London based players of any note had no qualms joining utd when they were winning it all, same goes for city - I'd question any player that chose spurs over us on merit of the surrounding city.

I suppose there is always an exception but no top player is going to gamble becoming a hero over living outside of London and playing in london
 
Utd paid £18 million each for Hargreaves and carrick. I would happily pay £20 million for Adam


We paid that for downing. Ouch.

Your insane. .


Why the fuck would we want to buy Charlie Adam back.. ?

Oh I know for his Spot Kicks..

Oh...
 
Henderson is the most influential person on the pitch for us by a long way.
Everyone you speak to who goes to see us at Anfield who hasn't done for a while comments on it cos you can actually hear him bellowing at players & see him constantly running to players to give them instructions or point out to them where they should be when he's doing something to make the best runs. He even tells the full backs when they've left too big a gap to the centre backs at certain times & the centre backs they're dropping too far back.

The last time I remember seeing that kind of organisation on the pitch for us was either Gary Mac or Sami.

He's guaranteed to be Captain after Gerrard & if England choose Rooney over him they're insane.

One of the conversations I had with John Barnes a while back was around Henderson.

He was full of praise - much of it for Rodgers - as he described Henderson as the sort of player who had ability but needed somebody to "coach" him, or direct him to what he should be doing on the pitch.

The impression I got was Henderson was a little bit thick, but Rodgers had focused in on the requirements of the role - this is where you stand, this is what you do, this is what you look for - basically taking his talent and instructing him in how to use it best.

I know it's not rocket science - but to me, the key is - Henderson has bought in to what Rodgers is doing - he's been given the platform to excel.

I know that sounds floury-wank-wank but I think it's accurate.
 
Ok - I agree with the first part (his confidence), though a lot of that was driven by Kenny playing him at right midfield, where he struggled.

As for captain material - what don't you like? He's captained the England U21s, and seems to becoming more of a 'vocal' member of the team on the pitch.

Thats how i saw it, not in hindsight either, yeah playing him out of position didn't help but if ever a young player needed a break from the team and taking out the spotlight it was Hendo in that first season but Kenny didn't do that, compare that to Rodgers handling of Sterling in his first season when he had pretty much the same issues as Hendo, form and confidence went and he was taken out of the team.

With Hendo in that first season he was like boxer that had clearly had enough but his trainer kept sending him out into the ring anyway.

Agree about him being captain, its strange that people cant see it in him, he actually thrives on responsibility nowadays, just take a look how brilliant he was over Xmas when Gerrard was out, he was outstanding and hes certainly not shy anymore.
 
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