From memory Ramsay cost 5M, Walcott was something like 5M rising to 12M, Bale and and Ox were around 10M mark, Lennon cost 1M and Dawson 4Mish.
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From memory Ramsay cost 5M, Walcott was something like 5M rising to 12M, Bale and and Ox were around 10M mark, Lennon cost 1M and Dawson 4Mish.
I think he's just saying we got rinsed by Sunderland.
I can honestly say I never felt that at the time. I think I was disappointed we weren't going for more exciting players, but I thought the fee was pretty much what you'd expect.
Yeah, as I said, the cost of doing business in the Premiership.
The Carroll deal was something truly special though. Now that is getting rinsed.
Well, of course that's the market for English players.
I was also one of those who said the Henderson deal was the only one in that window which would make sense long term. But Whirly makes a fairly good point - you can look at the same transfer window, and players with similar or better profiles than Henderson went for much less.
Ander Herrera - 6.6 million
Cabaye - 4.4 million
Sahin - 8.8 million
Isco - 5.2 million
Vidal - 11 million
Pjanic - 9.6 million
Gundogan - 4.8 million
I don't think the fact that both Henderson and Allen will provide good long-term return for value changes the fact that we did overpay for them.
I thought we got rinsed big time. I thought he was shit especially after the cup final when he was pony. I remember watching him live when he was still a sunderland player when he was picked to play for england against france at the emirates. He wad pony then too. After that he improved a bit but I still thought he was average. I was more than happy for him to go fulham. This season is the first season he has truly impressed me and now I think he's worth the money and then some. Just hope its not a one aeason wonder.
Lallana though looks a proper player and I hope we get him. I just dont want to get rinsed on the fee.
Not one of those was playing the premier league.
You're making a separate point. I won't disagree that we could have found much better value. I wouldn't disagree that we can find much better value than Lallana this summer.
Where I take issue with Whirly is that we could have got Henderson for much (any?) less than £16m. I don't think we could have.
I wonder what Hendo is worth now. 20Mill?
Fair enough - perhaps if we hadn't blown the insane amount at Carroll, we would've been able to do a deal for about 12 million - but not much less.
I'm trying to think of similar deals around that time.
The only one I can think of is Phil Jones to Utd. Major English prospect goes to big club. Think he cost them £17m.
If anyone thinks they can cite a deal to disprove the point, I'm all ears.
The only one I can think of is Phil Jones to Utd. Major English prospect goes to big club. Think he cost them £17m.
If anyone thinks they can cite a deal to disprove the point, I'm all ears.
That's true...but we kinda played a part in raising the bar didn't we?
Man U paid like £15 million for Zaha, right?
Now Derby want £15 million for Hughes.
Smalling went from Fulham to Man U for £7 million.
City signed Rodwell for £12 million.
Sturridge?
Why? Because he was a reject from a top team? Or because Rafa did us a solid?
Think he's now worth what we paid for him, TBH. He needs to add goals to his game to be considered a £20M+ player.
The former.
We'll make three more slightly improved offers and then Chelsea
Will sign him.
Rodwell and McCarthy both went for 12 million - but that's all I can think of recently.
Like I said, if we hadn't shown ourselves to be suckers in the transfer market with that Carroll deal, we might perhaps have haggled a few million off of Henderson's price.
His value now is irrelevant, he won't be playing for a European side, and we won't be selling to our rivals. When he goes downhill, we will sell him for less than we paid to a mid table club that hopes it can ignite the better days.. That's the way it works. We'll never get more than we paid. Take that as gospel.
Adam Lallana may have to ask for transfer to get early move to Liverpool
• Brendan Rodgers keen on doing pre-World Cup business
• Southampton value 26-year-old captain at £25m
Andy Hunter
The Guardian, Tuesday 13 May 2014 22.30 BST
Adam Lallana's hopes of joining Liverpool before the World Cup may rest on informing Southampton he is determined to leave St Mary's, with the two clubs yet to agree a deal for the England midfielder.
The 26-year-old is high on Brendan Rodgers' transfer wish-list for the summer, with the Liverpool manager determined to add proven talent to a squad that will be competing in the Champions League next season. Liverpool have inquired about a £20m deal for the Southampton captain but the south-coast club are believed to value their academy graduate in the region of £25m.
With Roy Hodgson keen to avoid any distractions before England take their World Cup preparations to Miami on 1 June, and Rodgers preferring to complete his main signings early, Lallana may have to leave Southampton in no doubt over his intentions to seal the transfer swiftly. The boyhood Evertonian suggested this week that he was undecided over his future but he is understood to favour a move to Anfield over other interested parties, including Manchester United.
Rodgers would not be drawn on Liverpool's pursuit of Lallana on Tuesday, when he held a lengthy meeting with the club's recruitment team over their preferred targets, but he reiterated that the Premier League runners-up need quality not quantity this summer.
"I don't want to put a figure on how many but I would rather have one or two absolute top players than seven that might not help us," said the Liverpool manager. "It's about the quality. We can't be going into the Champions League this year with doubts about players. We have to be going in knowing what the players' capacity to play is and their capabilities."
Liverpool's defence is in obvious need of strengthening, with a new left-back a priority for Rodgers, although the interest in Lallana demonstrates the manager is also intent on enhancing the attacking threat of a team that scored 101 league goals last season. Real Madrid continue to be linked with a bid for Luis Suárez, as occurred last summer when no offer materialised from the Spanish club, but the striker's declared reason for wanting to leave last year – no Champions League football – has been satisfied at Anfield.
Rodgers' intention is to sign players before the World Cup but he admits he is prepared for all eventualities given the quality he has targeted. "Ideally you would want to get things done beforehand but it is difficult because transfers are so complex, especially if you are doing a big signing," he said. "The World Cup does make it difficult but the club and ourselves have been preparing for quite a few months now so we will try and get the business done as early as we can. I'm sure some of that will get dragged out during the summer, though. You can plan early but sometimes with the madness of football you will find things don't get done until the last 48 hours of the window.
"For me, it's about planning. We have the core of the squad now, that helps. Two years ago, when I came in, I was looking to introduce new ideas but a lot of the players weren't there because of the European Championship. That affected the start of the season. At least this summer we have the principals bedded in place and the players that will come in will be the profile of what we want. It should be better for us this summer."
Rodgers, meanwhile, believes Raheem Sterling can have a major impact at the World Cup providing Roy Hodgson deploys the 19-year-old in positions he has flourished for Liverpool.
"Raheem is an offensive player, a creative player who works hard," the Liverpool manager said. "If he is given the opportunity to play how he can play, whether at the point of a diamond or on the sides, then he could be one of the stars of the World Cup. Let's not forget he is a 19-year-old who has been one of the top players in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
"He has already shown that he can play in a league that is not just a British league but a league full of world-class, international players. His best games have been against the best teams – Arsenal, United and Manchester City – so he is more than capable. If he continues to have that confidence and play with no fear he could be a really stand-out player if he is asked to play that way. That is key."
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...rs-southampton
• Brendan Rodgers keen on doing pre-World Cup business
• Southampton value 26-year-old captain at £25m
Andy Hunter
The Guardian, Tuesday 13 May 2014 22.30 BST
Adam Lallana's hopes of joining Liverpool before the World Cup may rest on informing Southampton he is determined to leave St Mary's, with the two clubs yet to agree a deal for the England midfielder.
The 26-year-old is high on Brendan Rodgers' transfer wish-list for the summer, with the Liverpool manager determined to add proven talent to a squad that will be competing in the Champions League next season. Liverpool have inquired about a £20m deal for the Southampton captain but the south-coast club are believed to value their academy graduate in the region of £25m.
With Roy Hodgson keen to avoid any distractions before England take their World Cup preparations to Miami on 1 June, and Rodgers preferring to complete his main signings early, Lallana may have to leave Southampton in no doubt over his intentions to seal the transfer swiftly. The boyhood Evertonian suggested this week that he was undecided over his future but he is understood to favour a move to Anfield over other interested parties, including Manchester United.
Rodgers would not be drawn on Liverpool's pursuit of Lallana on Tuesday, when he held a lengthy meeting with the club's recruitment team over their preferred targets, but he reiterated that the Premier League runners-up need quality not quantity this summer.
"I don't want to put a figure on how many but I would rather have one or two absolute top players than seven that might not help us," said the Liverpool manager. "It's about the quality. We can't be going into the Champions League this year with doubts about players. We have to be going in knowing what the players' capacity to play is and their capabilities."
Liverpool's defence is in obvious need of strengthening, with a new left-back a priority for Rodgers, although the interest in Lallana demonstrates the manager is also intent on enhancing the attacking threat of a team that scored 101 league goals last season. Real Madrid continue to be linked with a bid for Luis Suárez, as occurred last summer when no offer materialised from the Spanish club, but the striker's declared reason for wanting to leave last year – no Champions League football – has been satisfied at Anfield.
Rodgers' intention is to sign players before the World Cup but he admits he is prepared for all eventualities given the quality he has targeted. "Ideally you would want to get things done beforehand but it is difficult because transfers are so complex, especially if you are doing a big signing," he said. "The World Cup does make it difficult but the club and ourselves have been preparing for quite a few months now so we will try and get the business done as early as we can. I'm sure some of that will get dragged out during the summer, though. You can plan early but sometimes with the madness of football you will find things don't get done until the last 48 hours of the window.
"For me, it's about planning. We have the core of the squad now, that helps. Two years ago, when I came in, I was looking to introduce new ideas but a lot of the players weren't there because of the European Championship. That affected the start of the season. At least this summer we have the principals bedded in place and the players that will come in will be the profile of what we want. It should be better for us this summer."
Rodgers, meanwhile, believes Raheem Sterling can have a major impact at the World Cup providing Roy Hodgson deploys the 19-year-old in positions he has flourished for Liverpool.
"Raheem is an offensive player, a creative player who works hard," the Liverpool manager said. "If he is given the opportunity to play how he can play, whether at the point of a diamond or on the sides, then he could be one of the stars of the World Cup. Let's not forget he is a 19-year-old who has been one of the top players in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
"He has already shown that he can play in a league that is not just a British league but a league full of world-class, international players. His best games have been against the best teams – Arsenal, United and Manchester City – so he is more than capable. If he continues to have that confidence and play with no fear he could be a really stand-out player if he is asked to play that way. That is key."
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...rs-southampton
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I picked out some of the more notable English player trades during the 2010/2011 and 2011/2012 seasons here. May still have missed some of them though.
2011/20112 English player transfers
Player From To Fee
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Southampton Arsenal 12.144.000 £ (from League One)
Gary Cahill Bolton Chelsea 7.392.000 £ (age: 26)
Jordan Henderson Sunderland Liverpool 15.840.000 £
Stewart Downing Aston Villa Liverpool 20.064.000 £ (age: 27)
Phil Jones Blackburn Man United 16.984.000 £
Ashley Young Aston Villa Man United 15.840.000 £ (age: 26)
Connor Wickham Ipswich Sunderland 7.920.000 £ (from Championship)
Craig Gardner Birmingham Sunderland 5.808.000 £ (Birmingham relegated)
Wayne Routledge Newcastle Swansea 2.860.000 £
Scott Dann Birmingham Blackburn 5.984.000 £ (Birmingham relegated)
Roger Johnson Birmingham Wolverhampton 7.040.000 £ (Birmingham relegated)
Peter Crouch Tottenham Stoke 9.944.000 £
Scott Parker West Ham Tottenham 5.456.000 £ (West Ham relegated)
Bobby Zamora Fulham FC QPR 5.104.000 £
2010/2011 English Player transfers
Player From To Fee
Darren Bent Sunderland Aston Villa 18.920.000 £ (age: 26)
Ben Foster Man United Birmingham 6.160.000 £
Andy Carroll Newcastle Liverpool 36.080.000 £
James Milner Aston Villa Man City 19.360.000 £ (age: 24)
Chris Smalling Fulham FC Man United 7.040.000 £
Just to add also (didn't check this up before) - Cahill's contract at Bolton was due to expire at the end of the 2011/2012 season - I suppose that should explain why he only cost Chelsea 7m.
Not trying to dispute the point that "players with similar or better profiles than Henderson went for much less" and why we weren't in the race to sign these players is probably another topic of its own but its worth noting the situation most cases were in:
- Isco joined Malaga from Valencia's B team as a 19 year old (having played only 200 mins of top flight football)
- Cabaye's cost was apparently due to the activation of a release clause
- Vidal had a year left on his contract
- Sahin had a release clause in his contract
- Gundogan had a year left on his contract
- When Herrera was sold, Real Zaragoza was in debt and filed for bankruptcy that year
- Pjanic was sold in 2011 (Toulalan too) but Lyon still posted a net loss of €28 million and needed further sales
whereas Henderson featured 37 times in a Sunderland side that finished 10th in the league, signed a new contract at the start of that season and was Sunderland's Young Player of the Year for 2 consecutive seasons.
With the exception of Newcastle, the clubs these players joined were pretty much on the up. Juve splashed €145m, Roma nett spent almost €60m after the American takeover. Dortmund were the defending Bundesliga champions and Malaga went on spending spree (Cazorla, Joaquin, Toulalan etc.) after takeover.
We're going to end up getting fleeced. Like I said, he's a good player who would improve us, I really like him, but let's not pretend that £20m+ is a great deal for us, it's alot of money and potentially a big chunk of our transfer budget, which is a bit of a gamble on a player who is 26 and coming in on the back of one decent and one very good season. It's not Downing-esque because I think his qualities are far more obvious and suited to our play, but in terms of age, form and longevity, it's about the same I reckon. You can't blame people for being cautious.
The up side is he's never been reliant on pace, so hopefully that's not something that's going to diminish in time and have a major impact on his ability.
The up side is he's never been reliant on pace, so hopefully that's not something that's going to diminish in time and have a major impact on his ability.
They seldom do now. Bale's in Spain and the rest pop up occasionally in between bouts of injury.
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