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Tory= 36% of vote
Labour= 29%
Lib= 23%
On that you'd have to say a Lib/Lab coalition would at least represent over 50% of the electorate, whilst a minority Tory government only a little over a third.
Be interesting to see what happens. I think the Tories and Labour should form a coalition of utter dicks for a laff.
Labour= 29%
Lib= 23%
On that you'd have to say a Lib/Lab coalition would at least represent over 50% of the electorate, whilst a minority Tory government only a little over a third.
Be interesting to see what happens. I think the Tories and Labour should form a coalition of utter dicks for a laff.
Ha ha ha. GB, I'm fucked someone help
Basically asked for clegg to bail him out and he'd change the voting system
Basically asked for clegg to bail him out and he'd change the voting system
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Ha ha ha. GB, I'm fucked someone help
Basically asked for clegg to bail him out and he'd change the voting system
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he's plummeted in my opinion with this, something i wouldn't have thought possible. he really is poisonous, just like millwall as u said.
Ha ha ha. GB, I'm fucked someone help
Basically asked for clegg to bail him out and he'd change the voting system
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he's plummeted in my opinion with this, something i wouldn't have thought possible. he really is poisonous, just like millwall as u said.
Brown's finished, and Cameron will end up at No 10 after he sucks the LibDem cock for a few hours
Gordon Brown cares far more about his own position than he does about Labour's. He'd have behaved very differently throughout his time in government otherwise.
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Brown's finished, and Cameron will end up at No 10 after he sucks the LibDem cock for a few hours
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..........and licked their mingus.
*This attempt at humour would have worked much better had Mingus Campbell still been in charge of the Lib Dems*
Brown's finished, and Cameron will end up at No 10 after he sucks the LibDem cock for a few hours
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..........and licked their mingus.
*This attempt at humour would have worked much better had Mingus Campbell still been in charge of the Lib Dems*
If Brown resigns it will weaken their position I think. Brown is only PM because he hasn't resigned. There HAS to be a PM at all times so presumably if Brown stood down, even if it so someone else could take over, the queen would have to ask someone to form a government. Given the result that person would be David Cameron.
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He might get more from labour, maybe, but remember how bad and unpopular Gordon is. Clinging onto power won't change that!
If Clegg supports labour he is aligning himself to a govt that has failed once but he's doing so on policy terms crucially. If labour fail again he goes down with them.
If he supports the tories he can at least say he is going with public opinion and its the voters who have decided. So if Cameron fails less mud will stick to Clegg because it wouldn't be his choice.
If Clegg supports labour he is aligning himself to a govt that has failed once but he's doing so on policy terms crucially. If labour fail again he goes down with them.
If he supports the tories he can at least say he is going with public opinion and its the voters who have decided. So if Cameron fails less mud will stick to Clegg because it wouldn't be his choice.
I honestly cant see a Tory Lib Dem coalition. There's just too many differences in their ideals & policies.
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I honestly cant see a Tory Lib Dem coalition. There's just too many differences in their ideals & policies.
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I think the sticking point is going to be proportional representation. In his announcement this afternoon, Cameron proposed a commission to review the voting system and address matters such as making all constituencies the same size. However he was careful to say this commission would look at how to improve the first-past-the-post system, but he didn't offer PR.
I honestly cant see a Tory Lib Dem coalition. There's just too many differences in their ideals & policies.
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I think the sticking point is going to be proportional representation. In his announcement this afternoon, Cameron proposed a commission to review the voting system and address matters such as making all constituencies the same size. However he was careful to say this commission would look at how to improve the first-past-the-post system, but he didn't offer PR.
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I honestly cant see a Tory Lib Dem coalition. There's just too many differences in their ideals & policies.
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why should Cameron adhere any of the liberal policies as they got less seats than last time.
It is a crazy system really, no wonder they want to change it
I honestly cant see a Tory Lib Dem coalition. There's just too many differences in their ideals & policies.
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why should Cameron adhere any of the liberal policies as they got less seats than last time.
It is a crazy system really, no wonder they want to change it
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/05/07/labour-sweeps-to-power-in-liverpool-after-12-years-of-lib-dem-rule-100252-26400432/
THE Labour Party swept to power in Liverpool, ending 12 years of Liberal Democrat rule.
New council leader Cllr Joe Anderson led his team to an impressive victory, taking the group’s share of the 90 council seats up from 39 to 48.
The defeated Lib Dems, who looked resigned to their fate throughout the lengthy count, saw their share of the council slashed from 46 to 37.
And there were key casualties, with education executive Keith Turner losing his Old Swan seat to Cllr Anderson’s 28-year-old daughter Joanne.
There were other upsets, with Labour taking West Derby from the Lib Dems, although they took some consolation from retaining the St Michael’s seat with candidate Sharon Green.
Former leader Cllr Warren Bradley’s future as leader of the Lib Dems was in doubt, with him telling the assembled press he had not decided whether or not to resign following his party’s crushing defeat to Labour. A total of 181, 385 voters turned out for the polls, an overall turnout of 56.2%.
Speaking after the result, Cllr Anderson said he had “gone into politics to do something, not be someoneâ€, and assured the party would keep good to its manifesto pledges.
Oh God, we are all well and truly fucked now! 🙁
THE Labour Party swept to power in Liverpool, ending 12 years of Liberal Democrat rule.
New council leader Cllr Joe Anderson led his team to an impressive victory, taking the group’s share of the 90 council seats up from 39 to 48.
The defeated Lib Dems, who looked resigned to their fate throughout the lengthy count, saw their share of the council slashed from 46 to 37.
And there were key casualties, with education executive Keith Turner losing his Old Swan seat to Cllr Anderson’s 28-year-old daughter Joanne.
There were other upsets, with Labour taking West Derby from the Lib Dems, although they took some consolation from retaining the St Michael’s seat with candidate Sharon Green.
Former leader Cllr Warren Bradley’s future as leader of the Lib Dems was in doubt, with him telling the assembled press he had not decided whether or not to resign following his party’s crushing defeat to Labour. A total of 181, 385 voters turned out for the polls, an overall turnout of 56.2%.
Speaking after the result, Cllr Anderson said he had “gone into politics to do something, not be someoneâ€, and assured the party would keep good to its manifesto pledges.
Oh God, we are all well and truly fucked now! 🙁
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He might get more from labour, maybe, but remember how bad and unpopular Gordon is. Clinging onto power won't change that!
If Clegg supports labour he is aligning himself to a govt that has failed once but he's doing so on policy terms crucially. If labour fail again he goes down with them.
If he supports the tories he can at least say he is going with public opinion and its the voters who have decided. So if Cameron fails less mud will stick to Clegg because it wouldn't be his choice.
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PR is the key for the Lib Dems. If they can get that through, the future of their party will be transformed, as will the electoral map in general. Cameron's offer suggests that's not on the agenda at all, while Brown is clearly desperate enough to offer almost anything Clegg wants. Given all that, I'd be surprised if Clegg got in bed with Cameron. The Tories will have to offer more concessions to PR if Cameron is to be PM, I think.
He might get more from labour, maybe, but remember how bad and unpopular Gordon is. Clinging onto power won't change that!
If Clegg supports labour he is aligning himself to a govt that has failed once but he's doing so on policy terms crucially. If labour fail again he goes down with them.
If he supports the tories he can at least say he is going with public opinion and its the voters who have decided. So if Cameron fails less mud will stick to Clegg because it wouldn't be his choice.
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PR is the key for the Lib Dems. If they can get that through, the future of their party will be transformed, as will the electoral map in general. Cameron's offer suggests that's not on the agenda at all, while Brown is clearly desperate enough to offer almost anything Clegg wants. Given all that, I'd be surprised if Clegg got in bed with Cameron. The Tories will have to offer more concessions to PR if Cameron is to be PM, I think.
Unless Clegg's personal ambition leads him to sell out his party, of course, in which case he'll take a high-profile cabinet position in an area where there are fewer policy divisions between him and the Tories.
If he's smart, though, he'll go all out for PR.
If he's smart, though, he'll go all out for PR.
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I honestly cant see a Tory Lib Dem coalition. There's just too many differences in their ideals & policies.
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why should Cameron adhere any of the liberal policies as they got less seats than last time.
It is a crazy system really, no wonder they want to change it
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They're more likely to need a coalition to govern under PR you nit.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40111.msg1101127#msg1101127 date=1273245057]
I honestly cant see a Tory Lib Dem coalition. There's just too many differences in their ideals & policies.
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why should Cameron adhere any of the liberal policies as they got less seats than last time.
It is a crazy system really, no wonder they want to change it
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They're more likely to need a coalition to govern under PR you nit.
My concern is the Tories get a year in charge with lib dems whilst labour get new leader. Then after making shit loads of tough tax and cut decisions the liberals pull out of alliance causing an election. Labour can fight the whole campaign slating the tough decisions they had to make and labour get back in. I believe this is similar to what happened in the 70s
Whatever happens it won't last. Coalitions or minority govts never last because they don't work!
PR would be shit anyway and I doubt it would benefit the LDs really. When people produce comparisons they don't consider that people would probably vote differently in a different system!
PR would be shit anyway and I doubt it would benefit the LDs really. When people produce comparisons they don't consider that people would probably vote differently in a different system!
[quote author=Richey link=topic=40111.msg1101202#msg1101202 date=1273253875]
Whatever happens it won't last. Coalitions or minority govts never last because they don't work!
PR would be shit anyway and I doubt it would benefit the LDs really. When people produce comparisons they don't consider that people would probably vote differently in a different system!
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I think you significantly overestimate the intelligence of the voters in this country. A great number of people have no clue what system we use, a woman I work with tried to tell me I was wrong & that percentages were the deciding factor & seats were 'just a side issue that gets sorted out at the same time'. I explained we dont use proportional representation & she said 'just cos you know long words doesnt make you right'. At this point I should add a few people around me stared in disbelief but at least the same number muttered agreement.
I decided to leave the conversation at this time, for obvious reason.
Whatever happens it won't last. Coalitions or minority govts never last because they don't work!
PR would be shit anyway and I doubt it would benefit the LDs really. When people produce comparisons they don't consider that people would probably vote differently in a different system!
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I think you significantly overestimate the intelligence of the voters in this country. A great number of people have no clue what system we use, a woman I work with tried to tell me I was wrong & that percentages were the deciding factor & seats were 'just a side issue that gets sorted out at the same time'. I explained we dont use proportional representation & she said 'just cos you know long words doesnt make you right'. At this point I should add a few people around me stared in disbelief but at least the same number muttered agreement.
I decided to leave the conversation at this time, for obvious reason.
With this reform people keep talking about and Clegg hoping to get his way from either Tories or Labour, its probably worth mentioning UKIP were then 4th with just under a million votes and BNP 5th with just over half a million. If its about number of votes and percentages etc then will this kinda system help these two get seats?
[quote author=Asim link=topic=40111.msg1101232#msg1101232 date=1273257254]
With this reform people keep talking about and Clegg hoping to get his way from either Tories or Labour, its probably worth mentioning UKIP were then 4th with just under a million votes and BNP 5th with just over half a million. If its about number of votes and percentages etc then will this kinda system help these two get seats?
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Yes it will.
With this reform people keep talking about and Clegg hoping to get his way from either Tories or Labour, its probably worth mentioning UKIP were then 4th with just under a million votes and BNP 5th with just over half a million. If its about number of votes and percentages etc then will this kinda system help these two get seats?
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Yes it will.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=40111.msg1101202#msg1101202 date=1273253875]
Whatever happens it won't last. Coalitions or minority govts never last because they don't work!
PR would be shit anyway and I doubt it would benefit the LDs really. When people produce comparisons they don't consider that people would probably vote differently in a different system!
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Definately going to be bickering for a year then another election.
Whatever happens it won't last. Coalitions or minority govts never last because they don't work!
PR would be shit anyway and I doubt it would benefit the LDs really. When people produce comparisons they don't consider that people would probably vote differently in a different system!
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Definately going to be bickering for a year then another election.
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