your team for spurs

[Insignificance]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478015#msg1478015 date=1328520482]
It's not just a question of speed though, Johnson got raped a couple of weeks back by Martin Petrov.
[/quote]

the whole team played as fannies in that game. Should we replace the whole bunch based on that performance?

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=48524.msg1478024#msg1478024 date=1328522567]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478015#msg1478015 date=1328520482]
It's not just a question of speed though, Johnson got raped a couple of weeks back by Martin Petrov.
[/quote]

the whole team played as fannies in that game. Should we replace the whole bunch based on that performance?
[/quote]

It's not the only game where he's failed to cut a cross out, the whole team played poorly but that wasn't necessarily the norm for alot of them. Johnson nearly caused problems a couple of times in the first half against Wolves, notably when he passed the ball straight to their player on the edge of our box under barely any pressure.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

[quote author=Y1 link=topic=48524.msg1477990#msg1477990 date=1328514746]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48524.msg1477987#msg1477987 date=1328514309]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=48524.msg1477985#msg1477985 date=1328513555]
At best we get one point.
[/quote]

This statement is false.

At best we can get three points.
At 'ok' we can get one point.
At worst no points
[/quote]

Logically you are right.

Realistically at best we get one point because winning against Spurs is not possible.


[/quote]


Roy?

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48524.msg1477473#msg1477473 date=1328457091]
I think it be this:

---------------------------------------------------------Reina--------------------------------------------------------------
Johnson---------------------------Skrtel-----------------------------------Agger------------------------------Enrique
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------Spearing-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------Adam-------------------------------------Gerrard--------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------Suarez-------------------------------------------------------------Bellamy--------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------Carroll--------------------------------------------------------------
[/quote]

Yup, I'd go with this line-up. I can't wait to see Spearing match-up against Parker*, I have a feeling it's a battle Spearing can win and if he does we should get 3 points.

*Obviously as they're both DM's I'm aware that they won't come up against each other too often but I'm referring to a comparison of their overall performances rather than their one-on-one performance.

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48524.msg1477473#msg1477473 date=1328457091]
I think it be this:

---------------------------------------------------------Reina--------------------------------------------------------------
Johnson---------------------------Skrtel-----------------------------------Agger------------------------------Enrique
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------Spearing-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------Adam-------------------------------------Gerrard--------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------Suarez-------------------------------------------------------------Bellamy--------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------Carroll--------------------------------------------------------------
[/quote]

 

[Y1]

[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=48524.msg1478029#msg1478029 date=1328524083]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=48524.msg1477990#msg1477990 date=1328514746]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48524.msg1477987#msg1477987 date=1328514309]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=48524.msg1477985#msg1477985 date=1328513555]
At best we get one point.
[/quote]

This statement is false.

At best we can get three points.
At 'ok' we can get one point.
At worst no points
[/quote]

Logically you are right.

Realistically at best we get one point because winning against Spurs is not possible.


[/quote]


Roy?
[/quote]

While I expect 1 point in my sad and most optimistic expectation, but Roy would be happy for 1 point and would set the team to play for 1 point.

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=48524.msg1477983#msg1477983 date=1328512843]
This game is on at a decent hour and it's even on TV, so no shitty stream. I've been looking forward to it all weekend.

We're certain to lose.
[/quote]

Decent hour for whom ?! That's 03.45 in the morning here, yet another 'evening' match meaning I'll be going off to bed at 06.00 !

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478015#msg1478015 date=1328520482]
It's not just a question of speed though, Johnson got raped a couple of weeks back by Martin Petrov.
[/quote]

Petrov had the drop on him in that incident, as Johnson was still coming back form an upfield foray, hardly a straight head to head for speed comparison.

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478012#msg1478012 date=1328520210]
Jesus Froggy, exaggeration aplenty.

This brilliant attacking fullback has scored a mammoth 6 goals for us. An average of what? 2 a season.

He frightens me, for all the wrong reasons.
[/quote]

I think in many games he is just not given licence to attack, hence his low scoring average (but our excellent defensive record) but I'd be more interested in seeing his assists stats than his actual scoring rate.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=48524.msg1478054#msg1478054 date=1328527621]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478012#msg1478012 date=1328520210]
Jesus Froggy, exaggeration aplenty.

This brilliant attacking fullback has scored a mammoth 6 goals for us. An average of what? 2 a season.

He frightens me, for all the wrong reasons.
[/quote]

I think in many games he is just not given licence to attack, hence his low scoring average (but our excellent defensive record) but I'd be more interested in seeing his assists stats than his actual scoring rate.
[/quote]

I'd like to see him given a go on the wing, as you said, I think with Kelly behind him with it would give us solidity and a bit of pace on the break, I just don't really rate him as a fullback at all.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478055#msg1478055 date=1328527734]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=48524.msg1478054#msg1478054 date=1328527621]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478012#msg1478012 date=1328520210]
Jesus Froggy, exaggeration aplenty.

This brilliant attacking fullback has scored a mammoth 6 goals for us. An average of what? 2 a season.

He frightens me, for all the wrong reasons.
[/quote]

I think in many games he is just not given licence to attack, hence his low scoring average (but our excellent defensive record) but I'd be more interested in seeing his assists stats than his actual scoring rate.
[/quote]

I'd like to see him given a go on the wing, as you said, I think with Kelly behind him with it would give us solidity and a bit of pace on the break, I just don't really rate him as a fullback at all.
[/quote]

I think he's fucking awesome 🙂

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478055#msg1478055 date=1328527734]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=48524.msg1478054#msg1478054 date=1328527621]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478012#msg1478012 date=1328520210]
Jesus Froggy, exaggeration aplenty.

This brilliant attacking fullback has scored a mammoth 6 goals for us. An average of what? 2 a season.

He frightens me, for all the wrong reasons.
[/quote]

I think in many games he is just not given licence to attack, hence his low scoring average (but our excellent defensive record) but I'd be more interested in seeing his assists stats than his actual scoring rate.
[/quote]

I'd like to see him given a go on the wing, as you said, I think with Kelly behind him with it would give us solidity and a bit of pace on the break, I just don't really rate him as a fullback at all.
[/quote]

I'd love to see Kelly/Johnson against Spurs .. ain't going to happen though.

 

[Wizardry]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478012#msg1478012 date=1328520210]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=48524.msg1477995#msg1477995 date=1328515691]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=48524.msg1477982#msg1477982 date=1328512578]
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=48524.msg1477852#msg1477852 date=1328479505]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=48524.msg1477849#msg1477849 date=1328479391]
I'd go along with what Dmish says too, although I would bring in Kelly for Johnson.
[/quote]

we're at home, we're liverpool, we shouldn't be scared imo. Johnson is a world class attacking fullback and very good at defence as well. He must start.
[/quote]

He really isn't.
[/quote]

He really is. He has excellent technical ability and frightens the opponent's defence as much as, or more than, any player in our squad bar Suarez. It's defensively he can occasionally go AWOL. I'd love to see him played at RM fir a few matches just to settle that argument once and for all.
[/quote]

Jesus Froggy, exaggeration aplenty.

This brilliant attacking fullback has scored a mammoth 6 goals for us. An average of what? 2 a season.

He frightens me, for all the wrong reasons.
[/quote]

Come on Mark, now who's exaggerating??

He's been fantastic for us; as I said he's not world class (depending on your definition of world class) and he certainly doesn't have the pace to match Bale - nobody from Anfield does. However, he really knows how to get forward, has got good pace, can carry the ball well and much better than many want to give him credit for.

As said I don't think there's much wrong with Bales game but one weakness way to minimise his effectiveness is to push him back with constant forays forward. His running and power is easier to handle when he's coming from deep. Johnson is by far the best equipped player in our squad to manage this.

 

[mark1975]

I mean defensively Wiz, I don't feel completely comfortable when he's under pressure, he's fucked up enough times to warrant the concern.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478068#msg1478068 date=1328529259]
I mean defensively Wiz, I don't feel completely comfortable when he's under pressure, he's fucked up enough times to warrant the concern.
[/quote]

some of our best defensive displays have happened with johnson in the back line. I think it's a little harsh to suggest we have one of the best defensives in the league 'despite' johnson.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Yeah, I'm not buying this myth that Johnson is a bad defender, he really isn't, we have the best defence in the league, that isn't achieved playing with three defenders, as many people would try to suggest.

What I would say is that he does get forward an awful lot & that means positionally he can sometimes be caught out, but like I said, we have the best defensive record in the league yet we score nowhere near enough goals, so when weighing that up I'd prefer to have him attacking occasionally, as our defence clearly doesn't suffer as a result, & our attack has benefited more than once this season.

 

[doctor_mac]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48524.msg1478078#msg1478078 date=1328531369]
Yeah, I'm not buying this myth that Johnson is a bad defender, he really isn't, we have the best defence in the league, that isn't achieved playing with three defenders, as many people would try to suggest.

What I would say is that he does get forward an awful lot & that means positionally he can sometimes be caught out, but like I said, we have the best defensive record in the league yet we score nowhere near enough goals, so when weighing that up I'd prefer to have him attacking occasionally, as our defence clearly doesn't suffer as a result, & our attack has benefited more than once this season.
[/quote]

And as many have been pointing out, attack is the best form of defence against Bale– sitting deep and waiting for him to run at you is a red flag to a bull. He'll be up against Enrique too for much of this game too let's not forget as he tends to switch flanks regularly during games.

 

[Hansern]

Johnson has the odd dip in concentration. And those lead to chances and dangerous loss of possession.

I wish he would just kick the ball out at times instead of trying to play it off the opposition. It works maybe 2 out of 10 times.

 

[Woland]

[quote author=Pesam link=topic=48524.msg1478033#msg1478033 date=1328524441]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48524.msg1477473#msg1477473 date=1328457091]
I think it be this:

---------------------------------------------------------Reina--------------------------------------------------------------
Johnson---------------------------Skrtel-----------------------------------Agger------------------------------Enrique
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------Spearing-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------Adam-------------------------------------Gerrard--------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------Suarez-------------------------------------------------------------Bellamy--------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------Carroll--------------------------------------------------------------
[/quote]

Yup, I'd go with this line-up. I can't wait to see Spearing match-up against Parker*, I have a feeling it's a battle Spearing can win and if he does we should get 3 points.

*Obviously as they're both DM's I'm aware that they won't come up against each other too often but I'm referring to a comparison of their overall performances rather than their one-on-one performance.
[/quote]

This team is ace. I'd have Kelly but other than that keep it.

But I reckon Downing, Henderson and maybe Kuyt will get picked.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Rumoured line up..

---------------------------------------------------------Reina--------------------------------------------------------------
Kelly ---------------------------Skrtel-----------------------------------Agger------------------------------Johnson
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------Spearing-------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------Adam-------------------------------------Gerrard-----------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------Henderson --------------------------------------------------Downing --------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------Suarez------------------------------------------------------------



of course it may be a wind up..

 

[Mystic]

[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=48524.msg1478066#msg1478066 date=1328528860]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478012#msg1478012 date=1328520210]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=48524.msg1477995#msg1477995 date=1328515691]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=48524.msg1477982#msg1477982 date=1328512578]
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=48524.msg1477852#msg1477852 date=1328479505]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=48524.msg1477849#msg1477849 date=1328479391]
I'd go along with what Dmish says too, although I would bring in Kelly for Johnson.
[/quote]

we're at home, we're liverpool, we shouldn't be scared imo. Johnson is a world class attacking fullback and very good at defence as well. He must start.
[/quote]

He really isn't.
[/quote]

He really is. He has excellent technical ability and frightens the opponent's defence as much as, or more than, any player in our squad bar Suarez. It's defensively he can occasionally go AWOL. I'd love to see him played at RM fir a few matches just to settle that argument once and for all.
[/quote]

Jesus Froggy, exaggeration aplenty.

This brilliant attacking fullback has scored a mammoth 6 goals for us. An average of what? 2 a season.

He frightens me, for all the wrong reasons.
[/quote]

Come on Mark, now who's exaggerating??

He's been fantastic for us; as I said he's not world class (depending on your definition of world class) and he certainly doesn't have the pace to match Bale - nobody from Anfield does. However, he really knows how to get forward, has got good pace, can carry the ball well and much better than many want to give him credit for.

As said I don't think there's much wrong with Bales game but one weakness way to minimise his effectiveness is to push him back with constant forays forward. His running and power is easier to handle when he's coming from deep. Johnson is by far the best equipped player in our squad to manage this.
[/quote]

Johnson does have the pace to match Bale, I know Bale is shit quick but Johnson isn't exactly slow. I hope Spurs do try and focus on Johnson like everyone is expecting because its a move we'll surely be expecting and I can't see it working as effectively as they'll hope.

 

[spider-Neil]

johnson bashing is such a cliché now. poor the kenny for not spotting the OBVIOUS flaws in johnson's game and continuing to play him even though there are soooo many better options available to him.

 

[Modo]

Regarding the line ups...

Haven't we learned our lesson regarding playing Adam against a fast paced midfield like Spurs's's's's.

Hence why I want Hendo to start alongside Stevie and Spearo.

 

[Wizardry]

[quote author=Mystic link=topic=48524.msg1478089#msg1478089 date=1328534497]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=48524.msg1478066#msg1478066 date=1328528860]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478012#msg1478012 date=1328520210]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=48524.msg1477995#msg1477995 date=1328515691]

He really is. He has excellent technical ability and frightens the opponent's defence as much as, or more than, any player in our squad bar Suarez. It's defensively he can occasionally go AWOL. I'd love to see him played at RM fir a few matches just to settle that argument once and for all.
[/quote]

Jesus Froggy, exaggeration aplenty.

This brilliant attacking fullback has scored a mammoth 6 goals for us. An average of what? 2 a season.

He frightens me, for all the wrong reasons.
[/quote]

Come on Mark, now who's exaggerating??

He's been fantastic for us; as I said he's not world class (depending on your definition of world class) and he certainly doesn't have the pace to match Bale - nobody from Anfield does. However, he really knows how to get forward, has got good pace, can carry the ball well and much better than many want to give him credit for.

As said I don't think there's much wrong with Bales game but one weakness way to minimise his effectiveness is to push him back with constant forays forward. His running and power is easier to handle when he's coming from deep. Johnson is by far the best equipped player in our squad to manage this.
[/quote]

Johnson does have the pace to match Bale, I know Bale is shit quick but Johnson isn't exactly slow. I hope Spurs do try and focus on Johnson like everyone is expecting because its a move we'll surely be expecting and I can't see it working as effectively as they'll hope.
[/quote]

I know Johnson is quick; not as fast as Enrique or Bellamy but he's very quick. Fact remains, however, that none of them have the power running of Bale. His change of pace and continuous acceleration would be too much for Johnson unless he's coming from deep.

 

[Brizzle]

http://www.eplindex.com/9435/liverpool-spurs-tactical-stats-preview.html

 

[Markeh]

Are we really gonna start with anything other than Kuyt and Johnson on the right?

Bellamy perhaps in front of Johnson could be good. Kelly is alright but he's not 100% infallible either, we're at home we should be playing our own game not trying to smother theirs.

 

[Mystic]

[quote author=Modo link=topic=48524.msg1478097#msg1478097 date=1328536940]
Regarding the line ups...

Haven't we learned our lesson regarding playing Adam against a fast paced midfield like Spurs's's's's.

Hence why I want Hendo to start alongside Stevie and Spearo.
[/quote]

Exactly this.

 

[Mystic]

[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=48524.msg1478101#msg1478101 date=1328537285]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=48524.msg1478089#msg1478089 date=1328534497]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=48524.msg1478066#msg1478066 date=1328528860]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48524.msg1478012#msg1478012 date=1328520210]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=48524.msg1477995#msg1477995 date=1328515691]

He really is. He has excellent technical ability and frightens the opponent's defence as much as, or more than, any player in our squad bar Suarez. It's defensively he can occasionally go AWOL. I'd love to see him played at RM fir a few matches just to settle that argument once and for all.
[/quote]

Jesus Froggy, exaggeration aplenty.

This brilliant attacking fullback has scored a mammoth 6 goals for us. An average of what? 2 a season.

He frightens me, for all the wrong reasons.
[/quote]

Come on Mark, now who's exaggerating??

He's been fantastic for us; as I said he's not world class (depending on your definition of world class) and he certainly doesn't have the pace to match Bale - nobody from Anfield does. However, he really knows how to get forward, has got good pace, can carry the ball well and much better than many want to give him credit for.

As said I don't think there's much wrong with Bales game but one weakness way to minimise his effectiveness is to push him back with constant forays forward. His running and power is easier to handle when he's coming from deep. Johnson is by far the best equipped player in our squad to manage this.
[/quote]

Johnson does have the pace to match Bale, I know Bale is shit quick but Johnson isn't exactly slow. I hope Spurs do try and focus on Johnson like everyone is expecting because its a move we'll surely be expecting and I can't see it working as effectively as they'll hope.
[/quote]

I know Johnson is quick; not as fast as Enrique or Bellamy but he's very quick. Fact remains, however, that none of them have the power running of Bale. His change of pace and continuous acceleration would be too much for Johnson unless he's coming from deep.
[/quote]

Whilst Bale is quicker and a powerful runner, I dont think its enough to say Johnson wouldn't be able to handle it as I think for the most part Johnson is quick enough to keep up with him, the only time I don't think he'd be able to is if he gets a run on him in a counter attack or something like that, so we'll have to make damn sure dam we don't like that happen.

 

[doctor_mac]

[quote author=jono@home link=topic=48524.msg1478086#msg1478086 date=1328533663]
Rumoured line up..

---------------------------------------------------------Reina--------------------------------------------------------------
Kelly ---------------------------Skrtel-----------------------------------Agger------------------------------Johnson
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------Spearing-------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------Adam-------------------------------------Gerrard-----------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------Henderson --------------------------------------------------Downing --------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------Suarez------------------------------------------------------------



of course it may be a wind up..
[/quote]

If that were the team, I wouldn't think they'll be set out in that way. Or I'd hope not.

 

[refugee]

*Prefers for the inevitable flaming*

I'd play Downing as he tries to protect the left back.