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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/14/premier-league-play-off-champions-league

The Premier League is considering introducing a play-off system to determine the fourth club to qualify for the following season's European Champions League.

Currently the club which finishes fourth goes through but the new proposal would mean a play-off between the clubs finishing fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh. The intention is to inject more competition into a league in which qualification has for years remained in the hands of the same four clubs.

Premier League sources have confirmed that the play-off proposal was presented at the most recent meeting of all clubs, on 4 February, and the league's chief executive, Richard Scudamore, was authorised to return with further details in April.

It is understood that the idea was enthusiastically supported by all clubs – except the so-called big four of Chelsea, Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool. Scudamore, and the league's secretary, Mike Foster, will examine the practicalities of how a play-off system could work: whether it should take the form of a home-and-away knockout system, similar to that in the Football League, or incorporate seeding. They will also look into when matches could be fitted into a crowded fixture calendar before making recommendations.

The idea was presented as part of the Premier League's strategic review of its format and operations and springs from two particular motivations. The first is to crack the problem of England's top league becoming less open and competitive, with the richest clubs, Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, having strengthened their hold on the top four places over several years. One league source said it was an odd twist that the idea has been raised now, in a season when Liverpool's claim to the fourth place is being seriously challenged.

The response among clubs outside the top four is understood to have been positive, with some believing that a play-off system would create more competitive matches and give more clubs a prize to challenge for. Most clubs now feel they have no chance of attaining fourth place but almost the whole Premier League could be brought into a competition to finish seventh and make it to the play-offs. The medium-sized clubs, which increasingly aspire to break the cartel, are said to have been enthusiastic, seeing play-offs as a great opportunity.

The big four, who have been qualifying on merit at the end of each season and reaping the footballing and financial rewards of Champions League participation are understood to have been less keen. Self-interest is clearly a factor, with those clubs concerned about protecting their own advantages. However, there is also a feeling that the league should be more sophisticated about addressing its major challenges, particularly the financial ones, rather than incorpor-ating an awkward play-off system for a prize as ostensibly moderate as fourth place.

The other motivation for the play-offs is a waning of the proposal for an international round of matches, dubbed "Game 39", which was widely criticised for lacking coherence and being territorially expansionist. The play-offs would mean extra matches, which would be sold to pay-television and so generate more money for all clubs.

The consistent qualification of the same four clubs, widely seen as stifling competition, is not replicated across Europe. The Premier League largely blames the Uefa Champions League money, distributed to participating clubs, for entrenching the big four's financial power. Uefa, however, points out that Champions League income represents a small part, 8–13%, of Manchester United's, Chelsea's, Arsenal's and Liverpool's total turnover. Most of the big clubs' money is made in this country; Premier League television income is relatively evenly distributed but United, Chelsea and Arsenal in particular make much more than their nearest rivals from commercial activities and match-day revenues in the Premier League.

The Dutch league tried a play-off system for the second Champions League qualification place but abandoned it after the 2007-08 season, when FC Twente Enschede beat Ajax 2-1. The issues in Holland were the risk of crowd trouble at such high-stakes matches and a perception that the play-offs were one-sided.

In the Premier League there is some confidence that neither of those would present major problems. As a means of encouraging competition, opportunities and increasing income, the play-off proposal already seems to have enough support to suggest it could gain the necessary 14-6 majority to be implemented.
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So you can finish 20+ points behind 4th and still qualify?
 
And of course the financial fate of clubs gets chucked into a lottery that could easily be determined by a bad decision or even a corrupt one.
 
These could be the games that the Premier League are desperate to sell to other countries. The 39th game idea fell flat on it's arse. This would be sold and shipped to Asia, should it go ahead.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=38925.msg1054690#msg1054690 date=1266222825]
These could be the games that the Premier League are desperate to sell to other countries. The 39th game idea fell flat on it's arse. This would be sold and shipped to Asia, should it go ahead.

[/quote]

Great so the financial security of clubs is now potentially over in Asia after a long flight

I love our FA
 
The fact that this idea is even brought up demonstrates how the CL is growing more and more in power.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=38925.msg1054693#msg1054693 date=1266223201]
Ha, well I'm sure they'll fly out a few days in advance Fabs. Get acclimatised and all that.
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i'm sure there will be a few days if they did it, but the problem i'd have is that there's no bloody point TO do it. There is literally no need. All this will do is either make the FA money abroad, or make money from wembley. Both of which is a fucking joke. A team who is good over the course of the year surely should go into the champions league unquestioned. This FA is fucked up.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38925.msg1054709#msg1054709 date=1266226287]
SSN this morning reckon UEFA won't allow it.
[/quote]

don't the Belgian champions get decided by a play off fate.. ?

the winners are crowned champions & qualify for the champions league..

the other goes into the play offs for it.

They will have to allow it, a precedent has been set...
 
Scudamore is desperate to make an impact on football at whatever cost to the game.

Frankly him and his ideas can go fuck them self.
 
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=38925.msg1054691#msg1054691 date=1266223093]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=38925.msg1054690#msg1054690 date=1266222825]
These could be the games that the Premier League are desperate to sell to other countries. The 39th game idea fell flat on it's arse. This would be sold and shipped to Asia, should it go ahead.

[/quote]

Great so the financial security of clubs is now potentially over in Asia after a long flight

I love our FA
[/quote]

It's the PL doing it not the FA ,

regards
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38925.msg1054709#msg1054709 date=1266226287]
SSN this morning reckon UEFA won't allow it.
[/quote]

There is no way UEFA will allow it, it makes a farce of everything.
It's bad enough having a champions league where most of the competitors aren't.
To have people participate in the CL that have not even reached the requisite to play in the Europa League is ludicrous.

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38925.msg1054721#msg1054721 date=1266230775]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=38925.msg1054691#msg1054691 date=1266223093]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=38925.msg1054690#msg1054690 date=1266222825]
These could be the games that the Premier League are desperate to sell to other countries. The 39th game idea fell flat on it's arse. This would be sold and shipped to Asia, should it go ahead.

[/quote]

Great so the financial security of clubs is now potentially over in Asia after a long flight

I love our FA
[/quote]





It's the PL doing it not the FA ,

regards
[/quote]

I stand corrected
 
i fucking hope they dont allow it.

I could understand them having a playoff between winners of the domestic cups for an extra place, but this is just bollocks, it's just increasing the chances of mediocrity in the CL.
 
Sure the dutch have a play off for their 2nd CL place???

No different to the £30m play-off game for the championship promotion place, and they way we're going lately it could b a blessing!!
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=38925.msg1054790#msg1054790 date=1266250000]
It will happen.
[/quote]

i just thought on...

it won't

what happens when a team outside the top 4 win the champions league.... ?

any concept of this happening would be null and void as UEFA rules stipulate any team who wins the champions League automatically qualify, despite their league position.

unless of course they then battle for 3rd place, but wont they have automatically qualified too ?
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38925.msg1054722#msg1054722 date=1266231113]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38925.msg1054709#msg1054709 date=1266226287]
SSN this morning reckon UEFA won't allow it.
[/quote]

There is no way UEFA will allow it, it makes a farce of everything.
It's bad enough having a champions league where most of the competitors aren't.
To have people participate in the CL that have not even reached the requisite to play in the Europa League is ludicrous.

regards

[/quote]


Its already been done in Holland hasnt it? This is Uefa headed by Platini who was in favour of letting the FA cup winners get a Champions League spot so something tells me they wont be too put out by this.

They only need 14 clubs to vote for this, it will pass if they push ahead with it, I can realistically only see us and Arsenal seriously opposing it, maybe City
 
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=38925.msg1054809#msg1054809 date=1266251620]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=38925.msg1054790#msg1054790 date=1266250000]
It will happen.
[/quote]

i just thought on...

it won't

what happens when a team outside the top 4 win the champions league.... ?

any concept of this happening would be null and void as UEFA rules stipulate any team who wins the champions League automatically qualify, despite their league position.

unless of course they then battle for 3rd place, but wont they have automatically qualified too ?
[/quote]

I thought about that, but i suspect Platini'd love to trim us to three entries if he could, so maybe this would give him an excuse.
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=38925.msg1054790#msg1054790 date=1266250000]
It will happen.
[/quote]

Your last prediction was we will win the Premiership.
 
I'm on my phone and its too much effort to search every page, but I'm certain a while ago I read someone describe gerrard's position as an "attacking striker".

I'm drunk and could be wrong however.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38925.msg1054868#msg1054868 date=1266269474]
Not unsurprisingly, David Moyes thinks the idea "has it's benefits".
[/quote]

how will 2 qualifying games be that beneficial for Everton?
 
[quote author=GOD_23 link=topic=38925.msg1054877#msg1054877 date=1266271680]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38925.msg1054868#msg1054868 date=1266269474]
Not unsurprisingly, David Moyes thinks the idea "has it's benefits".
[/quote]

how will 2 qualifying games be that beneficial for Everton?
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'HANDBAAAAAAL!'
 
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