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Madrid 4-0 up with 5 minutes remaining.

Alonso and Ramos then both pick up second yellows and get sent off, leaving Madrid with 9 men.

For those who haven't seen it:

Xabi Alonso & Sergio Ramos Epic Red Cards Against Ajax 23/11/2010

No doubt in my mind that both Alonso and Ramos did this deliberately, no doubt instructions from Mourinho too.

In Alonso's case... he has 2 team mates standing near him unmarked - yet why was he looking to boot the ball up the pitch? It makes no sense.

And in regards to Ramos .... why would he even be taking a goalkick in the first place

It amazes me that Casillas allowed Ramos to get himself sent off. He is a captain and should maintain integrity when playing the game.

Mind you, this act speaks loudly of Madrid as a club and how they operate.

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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42907.msg1222999#msg1222999 date=1290573468]
Why would Jose want his players sent off?
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Because they've already qualified for the next stage, and have one game still to go. Therefore, get the suspension out of the way now, so they're free when it comes to the next round.

^^^That's a total guess by the way.
 
BAAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHA... I've actually just watched the vid there now.

That could not be any more obvious. They've both blatantly fucked around until the 2nd yellow came out. Xabi's run up was about 300 yards long!

Neither of them even bothered to argue with the referee, they just strolled off happy as fuck.

Brilliant.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42907.msg1222999#msg1222999 date=1290573468]
Why would Jose want his players sent off?
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Because now they start the next phase of the Champions League with no cards against their names.

Had they not got sent off against Ajax:

vs Ajax - Alonso & Ramos both pick up yellows, but don't get sent off.

last group match - Alonso & Ramos rested, do not play.

1st leg, Rnd of 16 - both play, and if either gets booked they miss the second leg.
 
For a moment I thought there was a playback. 😛

Question marks over the sportsmanship side of the decision but nontheless a typically cheeky one pulled off by Mourinho - and one executed to perfection by his players.
 
Neither of them even bothered to argue with the referee, they just strolled off happy as fuck.
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For sure.

If they really didn't mean to get sent off, every Madrid player would have swarmed the referee with their stupid hand gestures and Mourinho would have had a big cry on the touchline.
 
What a carrer Jerzy Duek's carved out for himself too: Jose Mourinho's dogsbody.
 
Disgusting to see players promoting fair play doing everything to bend the rules to their own favour. Wonder what Monsieur Platini, who hate the english cheaters, say now.
 
Heh. Thats funneh.
It happens all the time. Ive seen Dirk Kuyt and David beckham do it live deliberately. Id rather this than deliberately fouling a player.
Who cares?
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42907.msg1223115#msg1223115 date=1290595121]
Heh. Thats funneh.
It happens all the time. Ive seen Dirk Kuyt and David beckham do it live deliberately. Id rather this than deliberately fouling a player.
Who cares?
[/quote]

I agree. They've played themselves into a position where they can afford to do this so it's not that big of a deal.

All the teams do this and not just Real and even if they do it by fouling it's just as blatant as this. As you say, rather like this than fouling and potentially injuring an opponent.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42907.msg1223115#msg1223115 date=1290595121]
Heh. Thats funneh.
It happens all the time. Ive seen Dirk Kuyt and David beckham do it live deliberately. Id rather this than deliberately fouling a player.
Who cares?
[/quote]
No it doesn't especially not like that.

It's cynical and morally dodgy. Everything you'd expect from a Real Madrid team with Mourinho in charge actually.

I was watching the game as it unfolded and I was speachless. You could argue that the rules are the main culprit but that's the same as saying that you'd want you players to kick and pinch opponents whenever the ref is looking the other way in favour of your team.

Fair play it is not.
 
[quote author=mr_moo link=topic=42907.msg1223116#msg1223116 date=1290595484]
ha, quality. only could happen with mourinho :laugh: i wonder if uefa can punish them
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They can and hopefully they will.

Pinto, Barca's reserve keeper, got a two match ban after their home game against FC Copenhagen for whistling as he managed to 'stop' a counter attack deliberately.

Nowhere in the rules does it say that you may not whistle, I reckon, but it's obviously not fair play nor in favour of the game and he got punished for it.

Hopefully they same code of logic will apply here as it was blatantly obvious that Mourinho deliberately told his players to get send off. Disgraceful is probably to harsh a phrase but it wasn't pretty and I hope they get punished for it.
 
I saw the game last night, and yeah it was pretty obvious, the OTT reaction of the commentators was hilarious, no one minded much when Beckham done it for England. Alonso seemed to take it upon himself, where as the Ramos one was clear instruction from Mourinho. He had a word with Dudek, who ran around, had a word with Casillas, who then told Ramos to do it.

Well, they are still both *great* men as far as I'm concerned.
 
If it was Stevie and Carra did it no one would have a problem. In fact our red goggles would probably disguise the fact that they got themselves sent off on purpose and we'd all be celebrating the fact that they'd both be yellow card free in the knockout stages.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42907.msg1223119#msg1223119 date=1290595793]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42907.msg1223115#msg1223115 date=1290595121]
Heh. Thats funneh.
It happens all the time. Ive seen Dirk Kuyt and David beckham do it live deliberately. Id rather this than deliberately fouling a player.
Who cares?
[/quote]
No it doesn't especially not like that.

It's cynical and morally dodgy. Everything you'd expect from a Real Madrid team with Mourinho in charge actually.

I was watching the game as it unfolded and I was speachless. You could argue that the rules are the main culprit but that's the same as saying that you'd want you players to kick and pinch opponents whenever the ref is looking the other way in favour of your team.

Fair play it is not.
[/quote]Waaaah waaaah waaaaah!
It does happen all the time, usually involving a 'clumsy' late challenge. Just because you havnt seen it doesnt mean it isnt so.
The rule of second yellow bans is shite resulting in top TOP players missing huge games for nothing. So if you can circumvent that without hurting anyone i couldnt give a fuck. And who exactly has fair play been abandoned against? Its not PLAY, its litigation.
 
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=42907.msg1223123#msg1223123 date=1290596307]
If it was Stevie and Carra did it no one would have a problem. In fact our red goggles would probably disguise the fact that they got themselves sent off on purpose and we'd all be celebrating the fact that they'd both be yellow card free in the knockout stages.
[/quote]
I don't really get why people always suggest these things, that we are blind towards our own players/managers wrong-doings whenever it's for the greater good.

I'd hate to see our players try to get themselves red-carded for no matter the reason. It's not sportsmanship.
 
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=42907.msg1223007#msg1223007 date=1290577161]
HAHHAHAHA! Ramos shaking the ref's hand? Amazing.
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It's cos he's a gentleman.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42907.msg1223127#msg1223127 date=1290596892]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=42907.msg1223123#msg1223123 date=1290596307]
If it was Stevie and Carra did it no one would have a problem. In fact our red goggles would probably disguise the fact that they got themselves sent off on purpose and we'd all be celebrating the fact that they'd both be yellow card free in the knockout stages.
[/quote]
I don't really get why people always suggest these things, that we are blind towards our own players/managers wrong-doings whenever it's for the greater good.

I'd hate to see our players try to get themselves red-carded for no matter the reason. It's not sportsmanship.
[/quote]Dirk Kuyt did it about 4 years ago. FACT.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42907.msg1223124#msg1223124 date=1290596565]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42907.msg1223119#msg1223119 date=1290595793]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42907.msg1223115#msg1223115 date=1290595121]
Heh. Thats funneh.
It happens all the time. Ive seen Dirk Kuyt and David beckham do it live deliberately. Id rather this than deliberately fouling a player.
Who cares?
[/quote]
No it doesn't especially not like that.

It's cynical and morally dodgy. Everything you'd expect from a Real Madrid team with Mourinho in charge actually.

I was watching the game as it unfolded and I was speachless. You could argue that the rules are the main culprit but that's the same as saying that you'd want you players to kick and pinch opponents whenever the ref is looking the other way in favour of your team.

Fair play it is not.
[/quote]Waaaah waaaah waaaaah!
It does happen all the time, usually involving a 'clumsy' late challenge. Just because you havnt seen it doesnt mean it isnt so.
The rule of second yellow bans is shite resulting in top TOP players missing huge games for nothing. So if you can circumvent that without hurting anyone i couldnt give a fuck. And who exactly has fair play been abandoned against? Its not PLAY, its litigation.
[/quote]
Ok. Answer me this then. Why did Mourinho and Co then do anything in their power to hide it?

I'd respect it far more had he shouted it form the sidelines making everyone realise what they were doing. What they did maked them look very shady indeed.
 
I hate players being banned for accumulation of yellows anyway, it often deprives tournaments / cups of their best players at the latter stages, which is all rather disappointing. I don't have a problem with this at all.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42907.msg1223129#msg1223129 date=1290596992]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42907.msg1223127#msg1223127 date=1290596892]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=42907.msg1223123#msg1223123 date=1290596307]
If it was Stevie and Carra did it no one would have a problem. In fact our red goggles would probably disguise the fact that they got themselves sent off on purpose and we'd all be celebrating the fact that they'd both be yellow card free in the knockout stages.
[/quote]
I don't really get why people always suggest these things, that we are blind towards our own players/managers wrong-doings whenever it's for the greater good.

I'd hate to see our players try to get themselves red-carded for no matter the reason. It's not sportsmanship.
[/quote]Dirk Kuyt did it about 4 years ago. FACT.
[/quote]

See.

Also I bet if one D. Agger was the culprit there'd be goggles involved in vindicating him 😉
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42907.msg1223129#msg1223129 date=1290596992]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42907.msg1223127#msg1223127 date=1290596892]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=42907.msg1223123#msg1223123 date=1290596307]
If it was Stevie and Carra did it no one would have a problem. In fact our red goggles would probably disguise the fact that they got themselves sent off on purpose and we'd all be celebrating the fact that they'd both be yellow card free in the knockout stages.
[/quote]
I don't really get why people always suggest these things, that we are blind towards our own players/managers wrong-doings whenever it's for the greater good.

I'd hate to see our players try to get themselves red-carded for no matter the reason. It's not sportsmanship.
[/quote]Dirk Kuyt did it about 4 years ago. FACT.
[/quote]
Maybe so. You said 'all the time' and that was what I responded too.

I can understand why players would consider speculate on it as it's probably a silly rule. It was just so Mourinho-like to see the way Real's players were exploiting it last night.

You can defend them as much you want. In my opinion they should be given a fine and perhaps even a 1-game added suspension. Would serve them right. The Ajax-fans and players were obviously livid but at the same time only few understood what was going on.

It wasn't pretty.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42907.msg1223132#msg1223132 date=1290597260]
I hate players being banned for accumulation of yellows anyway, it often deprives tournaments / cups of their best players at the latter stages, which is all rather disappointing. I don't have a problem with this at all.
[/quote]

Yeah I hate it too but it's a bit of a double-edged sword because if there weren't bans then yellows would be rendered almost meaningless in most cases.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42907.msg1223130#msg1223130 date=1290597149]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42907.msg1223124#msg1223124 date=1290596565]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42907.msg1223119#msg1223119 date=1290595793]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42907.msg1223115#msg1223115 date=1290595121]
Heh. Thats funneh.
It happens all the time. Ive seen Dirk Kuyt and David beckham do it live deliberately. Id rather this than deliberately fouling a player.
Who cares?
[/quote]
No it doesn't especially not like that.

It's cynical and morally dodgy. Everything you'd expect from a Real Madrid team with Mourinho in charge actually.

I was watching the game as it unfolded and I was speachless. You could argue that the rules are the main culprit but that's the same as saying that you'd want you players to kick and pinch opponents whenever the ref is looking the other way in favour of your team.

Fair play it is not.
[/quote]Waaaah waaaah waaaaah!
It does happen all the time, usually involving a 'clumsy' late challenge. Just because you havnt seen it doesnt mean it isnt so.
The rule of second yellow bans is shite resulting in top TOP players missing huge games for nothing. So if you can circumvent that without hurting anyone i couldnt give a fuck. And who exactly has fair play been abandoned against? Its not PLAY, its litigation.
[/quote]
Ok. Answer me this then. Why did Mourinho and Co then do anything in their power to hide it?

I'd respect it far more had he shouted it form the sidelines making everyone realise what they were doing. What they did maked them look very shady indeed.
[/quote]I dont care mate. I dont care how shady it is or how it blurrs the rules, the law is an ass.
 
Don't they wipe the yellows from the group stages to when a team moves to knock outs in the WC? They should just do the same with the WC.

No one wants to see the best players missing out on the big games.

Plus surely, you have to question the ref, why would two players who are 4-0 up, with less than ten minutes to go be time wasting? A bit of context when making such bookings might have helped.
 
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=42907.msg1223139#msg1223139 date=1290597511]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42907.msg1223132#msg1223132 date=1290597260]
I hate players being banned for accumulation of yellows anyway, it often deprives tournaments / cups of their best players at the latter stages, which is all rather disappointing. I don't have a problem with this at all.
[/quote]

Yeah I hate it too but it's a bit of a double-edged sword because if there weren't bans then yellows would be rendered almost meaningless in most cases.
[/quote]

I know there's problems, and I don't have the answer, perhaps yellows result in a deferred ban to be served at the beginning of the next tournament, I don't know.
 
Btw, this is the best titled thread on SCM ever, althuogh it would have been better with pictures.
 
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