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WWIII Return of the Ruskie

Yeah, this is very chess - if you are faced with a slow-moving, but unstoppable attack, you can try to create a faster attack elsewhere and checkmate them before they checkmate you. Will it work on the actual battlefield? Remains to be seen.

UPD: looks like the Ukrainian offensive is much more large-scale than it initially seemed; this morning there are reports of 8 brigades participating and they are advancing in multiple directions. Main military objective still not clear. Reports of panic and lots of friendly fire incidents on the Russian side.

This is ballsy military strategy ... Let's see what it creates.
 
There is total information blackout from the Ukrainian side since the start of the offensive; all information we have so far is from Russian sources. This also was timed nicely with the Russian blackout of Youtube and other independent media that just went into effect. Information vaccum will create more uncertainty among the population.
 
Don’t think they intend to go all the way to Moscow (would he nice though!) like Napoleon did. Maybe this offers an explanation:
 

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Update: the advance into Kursk continues into its 4th day, Ukraine-controlled territory almost doubled, reinforcements being urgently sent to the new front have been incinerated en route (Russian media publicizing their routes of movement in an effort to create positive PR wasn’t smart), lots more Russian POWs captured, Putin is looking weak and unsure in public apperances, state TV is oscillating between whining and panicking to trying to rationalize that there is nothing that can be done to return the lost territories in the near future and “our only power is in prayer”. And I still can’t believe this is happening!
 

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It's a gamble given Russia's reserves compared with Ukraine's but, by the same token, maybe the greater gamble would have been to let the status quo run on.

Saw one report yesterday suggesting that anti-Putin Russian units may also be taking part.
 
How much of it is belief and how much is fear of being recognised and sent down?
 
Apart from that guy at the end? Surely he wasn't saying Finland's the dump?

Yeah, the last guy said that everyone of them would love to live in Finland “instead of this dump.”

A lot of this is wilful blindness, much like Trumpers in the US. Not sure about these babushkas, but younger generation people learned in school about how USSR brutally attacked Finland, the Katyn massacre of Poles, Holodomor of Ukrainians etc etc. But as soon as the state propaganda gave them permission to “erase” this uncomfortable knowledge from their memory, they eagerly took the chance and now many Russians (almost) genuienly don’t understand why all the neighboring countries resent and fear them.

“We’re so good and kind to everyone; why do they hate us” is a sentiment I hear and read a lot from the ordinary Russians, somehow harmoniously coexisting in their head with “we’ll fuck up and subjugate everyone,” sometimes literally within the same sentence.
 
I imagine, for a bunch of reasons, people tend to want to believe that they're not living in a country that does such awful things. It's not just Russians that are delusional, I'd say most super powers and colonial powers had populations that were equally delusional about what they were actually doing.
 
I imagine, for a bunch of reasons, people tend to want to believe that they're not living in a country that does such awful things. It's not just Russians that are delusional, I'd say most super powers and colonial powers had populations that were equally delusional about what they were actually doing.
Just like how people think the British empire was a good thing for the colonies?
 
“We’re so good and kind to everyone; why do they hate us” is a sentiment I hear and read a lot from the ordinary Russians, somehow harmoniously coexisting in their head with “we’ll fuck up and subjugate everyone,” sometimes literally within the same sentence.


This kinda sentiment seems incredibly widespread and is really important point to make.

We've seen Israeli narrative of we're a moral and generous army but ok with rape of prisoners.

Right wing narrative here of we've been kind and generous but now we've had enough and gonna brick you and your buildings, be is masaajid or immigration centres, businesses etc.
 
I imagine, for a bunch of reasons, people tend to want to believe that they're not living in a country that does such awful things. It's not just Russians that are delusional, I'd say most super powers and colonial powers had populations that were equally delusional about what they were actually doing.


I'd like this a dozen times if I could
 

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Reports that Ukrainian troops are shocked by the sheer numbers of visibly drunk people on the streets of the villiages they are passing through in Kursk region. Meanwhile, Ukrainian army started using these robotic dogs for reconnaissance - imagine waking up from a drunk stupor and seeing this creature crawling past you.

It’s been 8 days since Ukraine invaded Russia, and while the tempo of advance slowed down, they are still advancing and continue to enjoy the initiative. Over 1100 km2 currently under Ukrainian control. Lots of locals from the older generation turn out to speak Ukrainian.
 
Well, if it's any consolation to the average drunk Russian villager, I find those robotic dogs concerning.
 
Well, if it's any consolation to the average drunk Russian villager, I find those robotic dogs concerning.

They tried them in NYC and ditched them after an outcry - people were not comfortable with them around.

But recoinnesance in a war zone is A-OK with me.
 
I'm guessing wild berries sounds better in Russian than it does in English? Sounds like a bunch of girl scouts or something.
 
I'm guessing wild berries sounds better in Russian than it does in English? Sounds like a bunch of girl scouts or something.

No, they are actually using the English name, I guess it adds credibility. Speaking of credibility, imagine the central offices of Amazon being invaded by a group of Chechen militants with AK-47’s led by the disgruntled soon-to-be ex-husband of the founder, while the Dagestani militants hired by the wife are shooting at them and throwing grenades from the office windows with employees barricading inside. All of this happening within the stone’s throw from the offices of Putin, who has appointed both the Chechen and the Dagestani warlords to key government posts in his increasingly fraught “Federation.”

Looks like the Dagestani/wife team won the first round, but hopefully the fun will continue. The sooner Russia falls apart, the better and safer it is for everyone.
 
My knowledge is lacking here but has anyone ever taken Russia over other than by coup?, I know Napoleon and Hitler who were both hard as fucking nails fucked it up and we haven't even tried. I can only think of the revolution.
 
My knowledge is lacking here but has anyone ever taken Russia over other than by coup?, I know Napoleon and Hitler who were both hard as fucking nails fucked it up and we haven't even tried. I can only think of the revolution.

Russia has lost plenty of wars and as historian Timothy Snyder argues, every big loss led to a period of social reform and economic improvement for Russian people. You don’t need to drive your tanks or horses all the way to Moscow, as Napoleon or Hitler tried, to defeat them and usher in a very positive post-military-defeat era. I highly recommend checking out this 8 minute video addressing this subject:

 
Really interesting vid and thanks for it, but I mean on home soil. They may have been beaten by the Japanese but that was to stop them invading. When did they ever lose any territory? In the Crimean war? Which they took back without a shot being fired? Marching on Moscow is the point. Noone has ever succeeded, apart from their own people when enough has become enough.
 
Really interesting vid and thanks for it, but I mean on home soil. They may have been beaten by the Japanese but that was to stop them invading. When did they ever lose any territory? In the Crimean war? Which they took back without a shot being fired? Marching on Moscow is the point. Noone has ever succeeded, apart from their own people when enough has become enough.

I think the closest one to that scenario is False Dmitry I who was supported by Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth and actually marched on Moscow and became tsar:

But it was still partially an internal coup, even though his main base of support was foreign. If you can imagine Prigozhin declaring himself a long-lost brother of Putin (who was murdered by the evil elites who are instead parading his double) and marching on Moscow supported by the militaries of Ukraine and Turkey, maybe that could work - for a time.

But frankly occupying Russia is far more trouble than its worth - it’s like a big, cold Afghanistan. As long as they leave everyone else alone, I don’t give two shits what happens there.
 
I do like the dudes point that when it happens it will look mad to the outside world but quite normal inside Russia. Still processing that.
 
Really interesting vid and thanks for it, but I mean on home soil. They may have been beaten by the Japanese but that was to stop them invading. When did they ever lose any territory? In the Crimean war? Which they took back without a shot being fired? Marching on Moscow is the point. Noone has ever succeeded, apart from their own people when enough has become enough.

Correction on the Russo-Japanese war: it was fought over both empires’ expansionist ambitions in Manchuria, Japan technically started it, but never intended to invade Russia itself and by all accounts Russia wanted the war and rebuffed all attempts at negotiation. Even in the Soviet Union history textbooks from my school days, the key phrase about this war every student knows by heart was “we need a small, victorious war” uttered by one of tsar’s advisers.

In fact there are many parallels to the current “special military operation” in Ukraine, which they also expected to be quick, easy and decisive, but of course it has been anything but.
 
Ok get that, but the last time a foreign power took Moscow was when? In the UK London was taken by the Dutch in 1688. We all know that pretty much every mainland European nation was taken by the Nazis 80 years ago. But have Russia ever been beaten apart from by themselves?
 
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