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WWIII Return of the Ruskie

Being suggested that Putin's aim is to split Ukraine with a North/South divide. or more like an East/West divide. As most of Eastern Ukraine speak Russia. And that this is what is behind the announcement that his forces will concentrate on the Dombas region. I suspect he could still pepper the rest of Ukraine with rocket attacks. Whilst trying to encroach further East along the Russian coast line on round to Odesa.

If this is his strategy along with offering peace talks or letting an intermediary, like Turkey do the bidding, it won't stop the sanctions, but It might prevent further sanctions.

The West knew Putin was never going to accept every last country bar none join NATO and the EU. This has been the main issue. Should the West have been more inclusive with Russia. With the EU widening their tentacles Russia was being isolated militarily through NATO and economically through the EU. Western strategist knew a showdown with Putin was coming. Putin wouldn't act with Trump in the WH because Putin couldn't be sure how Trump would react.

Putin doesn't hold all the cards, the mess his Army has made of the job has weakened his position. He must make it look like he has gained and defied the West and has reasserted Russia's might. But in truth it has exposed Russia's relatively weak military. NATO could easily overcome and defeat Russia on the conventional battlefield. Putin on the backfoot might be worse than when he thought he was winning.
I said many pages back.. I believe the ultimate aim is to create a land bridge between Crimea, Rostov-on-Don and Moldova.

Ideally he's have likes to have taken Odesa too. But that's the 'split' they are referring too.

Odesa region becoming a Kalingrad style Oblast. In the isolation or after many years try and take that too as part of the new 'Union'. They will probably try and take Moldova first though.
 


Ohh, that's bad.

Hi @rurikbird I've not been on here much and have been back in the UK until a few days ago.I'm back in Czech now and am just about to offer one of our spare rooms for use by a Ukrainian refugee family but thought I'd check with you first to see if all your family are safe and well or if our spare room could be any use to them? Seeing as how you housed so many Liverpool "refugess" during the champions league final it's the least I can do. We live 15km (a village called Vizovice) from Zlin which is close to the Slovak border.
 
Hi @rurikbird I've not been on here much and have been back in the UK until a few days ago.I'm back in Czech now and am just about to offer one of our spare rooms for use by a Ukrainian refugee family but thought I'd check with you first to see if all your family are safe and well or if our spare room could be any use to them? Seeing as how you housed so many Liverpool "refugess" during the champions league final it's the least I can do. We live 15km (a village called Vizovice) from Zlin which is close to the Slovak border.

Thank you so much for the offer, @Pesam! My relatives and friends are all fine at this point. If you want to house someone who helped the fans in 2018, I think the Facebook group for the CL final in Kyiv is still active and a lot of the reciprocal help is going on.
 
Russian soldiers drove armoured vehicles without radiation protection through Chernobyl's highly toxic "red forest," kicking up clouds of radioactive dust in an act that was "suicidal" for the soldiers, according to workers at the site.
 
Those soldiers probably weren't aware of the radioactive dust. I suppose if they're inside an armoured vehicle they might be alright... unless they breathed it in of course in which case they'll be fucked pretty soon...
 
I've wondered before now how much of what's being reported on the Russian side is down to mishap or incompetence, and possibly also to the high number of senior commanders they've lost in action. Firing on a nuclear power station earlier, shelling civilian evacuation routes previously agreed in negotiations between the two sides, now this - their command and control looks to be up the swanee.
 
Those soldiers probably weren't aware of the radioactive dust. I suppose if they're inside an armoured vehicle they might be alright... unless they breathed it in of course in which case they'll be fucked pretty soon...

According to workers at the site, many of the Russian soldiers weren't even aware of the disaster. Crazy.
 
According to workers at the site, many of the Russian soldiers weren't even aware of the disaster. Crazy.
It is, but its also kinda unsurprising, i dont soviet fuck ups are something they regularly teach in Russian schools, or mention in their usual programming.
 
In the whole things look like they've taken a positive turn for Ukraine in the last few days, they're successfully pushing the Russians back on many fronts, including in the South from Mykolaiv towards Kherson. The main worry remains the South East though, the Mariupol situation looks terminal now, Russia has floored the city Stalingrad / Dresdan style and it looks like its days away from being completely subdued. My worry once that happens is that it'll free up a sizeable portion of the Russian force to focus on destroying the Ukrainian eastern flank, meaning more lost territory in the donbas region.

Considering the advances Ukraine are making towards Kherson in the last few days, I cant see Russia holding a land bridge to Crimea, yet alone Moldova, without a huge second wave, but equally so, i cant see a resolution to this conflict which results in the Donbas as a whole ever returning back to Ukraine. Crimea, zero chance.

Anyway thats my arm chair general-ing for you.
 
I read several reports across media outlets all suggesting broadly the same theme. Russian troop movements into Ukraine have slowed dramatically indicating the full force is now deployed and regional Russian media outlets being told to stop reporting on local troop losses presumably as the penny will drop soon enough that there are 10's of thousands dead.

Add the two together and you _could_ form an opinion that Putin has rolled the dice and neither won nor lost. Carrying on would run a huge risk of losing. So maybe he'll try to stick with what he's got and proclaim a great victory
 
Does Abramovich being allegedly poisoned mean that Russia have now deployed chemical warfare and some kinda response is needed as per Bidens we'll respond in kind comment.

Hoping the negotiations in Turkey are fruitful and we'll have some kinda reduction or resolution soon
 
Does Abramovich being allegedly poisoned mean that Russia have now deployed chemical warfare and some kinda response is needed as per Bidens we'll respond in kind comment.

Hoping the negotiations in Turkey are fruitful and we'll have some kinda reduction or resolution soon
No. It happened in Belarus and didn't travel to NATO territory
 
Does Abramovich being allegedly poisoned mean that Russia have now deployed chemical warfare and some kinda response is needed as per Bidens we'll respond in kind comment.

Hoping the negotiations in Turkey are fruitful and we'll have some kinda reduction or resolution soon

We should respond in kind by trying to poison the owners of City.
 
We should respond in kind by trying to poison the owners of City.
Or at the very least by battering the fuck out of their team's coach.
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Hoping the negotiations in Turkey are fruitful and we'll have some kinda reduction or resolution soon

My take is it is just absolutely transparent bullshit politicing from Moscow. They've fucked up the attack from the North, realise that they are in a stalemate but see they can re-deploy to at least make a decent fist of occupying the East.

Perhaps they are so used to being able to get away with such transparent horseshit in their own country they forget themselves.

"Our concession is we will withdraw our troops from where we are getting our arse's kicked and cannot reach our goal, and re-deploy them on the backs of your best troops that have spent the last 4 weeks blocking our every attempt to move West from Donesk. In return you must say we are not bad peeps and cede the south-east 15% of your country to us forever"
 
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My take is it is just absolutely transparent bullshit politicing from Moscow. They've fucked up the attack from the North, realise that they are in a stalemate but see they can re-deploy to at least make a decent fist of occupying the East.

Perhaps they are so used to being able to get away with such transparent horseshit in their own country they forget themselves.

"Our concession is we will withdraw our troops from where we are getting our arse's kicked and cannot reach our goal, and re-deploy them on the backs of your best troops that have spent the last 4 weeks blocking our every attempt to move West from Donesk. In return you must say we are not bad peeps and cede the south-east 15% of your country to us forever"

Yup, pretty much this, I think.
 
Thank you so much for the offer, @Pesam! My relatives and friends are all fine at this point. If you want to house someone who helped the fans in 2018, I think the Facebook group for the CL final in Kyiv is still active and a lot of the reciprocal help is going on.
Thank you so much for the offer, @Pesam! My relatives and friends are all fine at this point. If you want to house someone who helped the fans in 2018, I think the Facebook group for the CL final in Kyiv is still active and a lot of the reciprocal help is going on.
Glad to hear that your relatives and friends are okay. I haven't been on FB for many years unfortunately and don't want to go back. As it happens one of my clients (I've accidentally become an English teacher over here!) works in the town's immigration department and is dealing with the influx of refugees every day and has told me that there isn't enough long term accommodation for everyone so I've given him my details.
 
Its a mess. Putin making noises about gas contracts being paid in Roubles, desperately trying to convince people that he still holds an ace or two. I'll bet the commanders on the ground have no clue, half way between pulling out and staying put. Shelling random targets with no clear strategy.

The West claiming Putin doesn't know what's going on in Ukraine, truth be told Putin was lied to by his Generals over the capability of his army and air force. He fully expected them to storm Ukraine but now Russia, the alleged "super power" have been rumbled.

For the US Uncle Joe hasn't done as badly as some suggest. He got the main issue right - DO NOT OVERREACT. He also came over to Europe, backed up Ukraine with very heavy sanctions on Russia. Met all the leaders, pledging support. Misspoke but by and large he hasn't made a difficult situation any worse.

It is still a raw and volatile situation but negotiations should be concentrated on in the coming weeks.
 
Very sad. I realise these soldiers are 'the enemy' but they are just people being told to do stupid stuff

Many of them, apparently, have never heard of Chernobyl and why it’s dangerous there. A disproportionate # of these soldiers come from outer, remote regions of Russia or ethnic enclaves, where the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster is maybe mentioned in passing at school or not at all. Their commanders know better, of course, but they don't give a damn.
 
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